First DMT pull and trip report

[Franklin2100]

I don't honestly think I have any physical matter to look at in there

There has been like 2 occasions where it's a "miss." You feel like you're going to breakthrough but if you keep smoking then you don't and that's what got me to just eye my doses and just going by my own experience of knowing when I'm about to breakthrough and not necessarily focusing on the dosage too much recently.
However, it's been a while , like months, since I smoked through a glass pipe and measured the dosage and I just recently started smoking Dmt again and I never put too much attention on the "loses" but it's possible but since it's been months I don't really remember. All I remember is making sure to smoke all of it in three separate inhales through the pipe but recently with the sandwich method I need only like 2 inhales to break through .

P.s
Replied to the wrong one

 

[Franklin2100]

So I scaled and smoked 25mgs and I didn't breakthrough and I didn't have visuals for more than a minute but I still heard the ringing in my ear for more than 10 minutes and I had a head high and was able to think clearer and more consciously.

 

[Ozzy_Chronik]

So I scaled and smoked 25mgs and I didn't breakthrough and I didn't have visuals for more than a minute but I still heard the ringing in my ear for more than 10 minutes and I had a head high and was able to think clearer and more consciously.

Ahh cool stuff. Interesting, what extract did you use and what was your method of administration?

 

[Franklin2100]

Ahh cool stuff. Interesting, what extract did you use and what was your method of administration?

Ahh cool stuff. Interesting, what extract did you use and what was your method of administration?

Base an solvent Tek and sandwich method. However......I think that I smoked it wrong. I could've inhaled for a bit longer but had to pull out , if you know what I mean

 

[Ozzy_Chronik]

Base an solvent Tek and sandwich method. However......I think that I smoked it wrong. I could've inhaled for a bit longer but had to pull out , if you know what I mean

Yeah righto, is that mhrb?
Are you smoking through pipe or bong?

 

[Franklin2100]

Yeah righto, is that mhrb?
Are you smoking through pipe or bong

Pipe , like these kind and yes to mhrb. I just put the Dmt inside the bowl and mix herbs with it and on the outside I put more herbs and then smoke it. I've found that that works best for me with these kinds of pipes. However, I miss smoking out of clear glass pipes and using a mini torch lighter since its easier to smoke that way more effectively in my opinion. Gonna get a glass pipe and torch lighter when I get a chance.

 

[Ozzy_Chronik]

Pipe , like these kind and yes to mhrb. I just put the Dmt inside the bowl and mix herbs with it and on the outside I put more herbs and then smoke it. I've found that that works best for me with these kinds of pipes. However, I miss smoking out of clear glass pipes and using a mini torch lighter since its easier to smoke that way more effectively in my opinion. Gonna get a glass pipe and torch lighter when I get a chance.

Can you smoke a bong? Definitely worth a shot.
I've never smoked through a pipe like that It always gets too hot on the throat for me to have the full hit.

 

[Franklin2100]

Can you smoke a bong? Definitely worth a shot.
I've never smoked through a pipe like that It always gets too hot on the throat for me to have the full hit.

I've never really smoked out of a bong but after I get the glass pipe I may consider it. From what I understand you can add water to bong to process the smoke to be smoother on the throat and lungs so it's definitely on my bucket list.

 

[acacian]

When recommending doses, its always best to recommend the required dose in an ideal setting first. So what I mean is that the minimum dose required when vaporisation technique is perfect, should be recommended. Nobody should be recommending high doses based on the vague idea that "most people don't know how to vaporize properly".. This isn't an assumption we should be making, as many people might have a perfectly fine technique. Start with the basics: When vaporized correctly, 25-30mg will usually produce a breakthrough level experience. If it doesn't, then you might want to refine your technique. If desired effects still aren't reached then up your dose incrementally.

That's a good enough base to proceed from. Recommending 50mg off the bat.. that is forgetting that some people might have perfectly good vaporizing technique and a pure extract. Misleading them because you and your friends can't make the normal required dose work is IMO really irresponsible. You will scare people away. Better to have a few weak experiences while you get your technique down than go way too far on your very first time and be scared off for good.

 

[Franklin2100]

Ok i When recommending doses, its always best to recommend the required dose in an ideal setting first. So what I mean is that the minimum dose required when vaporisation technique is perfect, should be recommended. Nobody should be recommending high doses based on the vague idea that "most people don't know how to vaporize properly".. This isn't an assumption we should be making, as many people might have a perfectly fine technique. Start with the basics: When vaporized correctly, 25-30mg will usually produce a breakthrough level experience. If it doesn't, then you might want to refine your technique. If desired effects still aren't reached then up your dose incrementally.

That's a good enough base to proceed from. Recommending 50mg off the bat.. that is forgetting that some people might have perfectly good vaporizing technique and a pure extract. Misleading them because you and your friends can't make the normal required dose work is IMO really irresponsible. You will scare people away. Better to have a few weak experiences while your get your technique down than go way to far on your very first time and be scared off for good.

Ok, I get you but I'm not misleading anyone. To say what you said and then add "misleading" is misrepresenting my intentions and continuing this cycle of nuance. Plus I'm sure that you're aware that I already had this conversation like 1000 times already and I tried 25mgs for the sake of knowledge and understanding but to say that 50mgs is "dangerous" is misrepresenting the drug and exaggerating to bring a dagger into a conversation that only needs scrools so chill on the language and just focus on sharing your experience and understanding without throwing daggers around unnecessarily and then being upset when those daggers are unnecessarily thrown back.

 

[Ozzy_Chronik]

I've never really smoked out of a bong but after I get the glass pipe I may consider it. From what I understand you can add water to bong to process the smoke to be smoother on the throat and lungs so it's definitely on my bucket list.

That's exactly it my guy, the water inside the bong definitely smooths the smoke that's being pulled through. Always been my go to method for administration of anything if your after that one breath hit

 

[Franklin2100]

That's exactly it my guy, the water inside the bong definitely smooths the smoke that's being pulled through. Always been my go to method for administration of anything if your after that one breath hit

Can't go wrong with them one breathers. Much easier on the nerves (x

 

[Franklin2100]

When recommending doses, its always best to recommend the required dose in an ideal setting first. So what I mean is that the minimum dose required when vaporisation technique is perfect, should be recommended. Nobody should be recommending high doses based on the vague idea that "most people don't know how to vaporize properly".. This isn't an assumption we should be making, as many people might have a perfectly fine technique. Start with the basics: When vaporized correctly, 25-30mg will usually produce a breakthrough level experience. If it doesn't, then you might want to refine your technique. If desired effects still aren't reached then up your dose incrementally.

That's a good enough base to proceed from. Recommending 50mg off the bat.. that is forgetting that some people might have perfectly good vaporizing technique and a pure extract. Misleading them because you and your friends can't make the normal required dose work is IMO really irresponsible. You will scare people away. Better to have a few weak experiences while you get your technique down than go way too far on your very first time and be scared off for good.

And plus the normal required dose from reddit forums and online websites on the drug is 50mgs as I have provided sources and went off on that and that has been my standard but y'all are making this into something unnecessarily "debated."
It's not irresponsible because it's not dangerous. Why exaggerate and not just share your experience and understanding?

 

[Ozzy_Chronik]

Keen to see your update in a few weeks with your new water piece

 

[Franklin2100]

When recommending doses, its always best to recommend the required dose in an ideal setting first. So what I mean is that the minimum dose required when vaporisation technique is perfect, should be recommended. Nobody should be recommending high doses based on the vague idea that "most people don't know how to vaporize properly".. This isn't an assumption we should be making, as many people might have a perfectly fine technique. Start with the basics: When vaporized correctly, 25-30mg will usually produce a breakthrough level experience. If it doesn't, then you might want to refine your technique. If desired effects still aren't reached then up your dose incrementally.

That's a good enough base to proceed from. Recommending 50mg off the bat.. that is forgetting that some people might have perfectly good vaporizing technique and a pure extract. Misleading them because you and your friends can't make the normal required dose work is IMO really irresponsible. You will scare people away. Better to have a few weak experiences while you get your technique down than go way too far on your very first time and be scared off for good.

Lastly,
I vaporize DMT correctly when I smoke out of a glass pipe and I have always smoked 50mgs and maybe the technique I use on this new pipe is wrong but so what it's not irresponsible since my comfortable setting is a glass pipe and Ive never smoked 25mgs out of a glass pipe that I'm comfortable with so chill out

 

[acacian]

Ok, I get you but I'm not misleading anyone. To say what you said and then add "misleading" is misrepresenting my intentions and continuing this cycle of nuance. Plus I'm sure that you're aware that I already had this conversation like 1000 times already and I tried 25mgs for the sake of knowledge and understanding but to say that 50mgs is "dangerous" is misrepresenting the drug and exaggerating to bring a dagger into a conversation that only needs scrools so chill on the language and just focus on sharing your experience and understanding without throwing daggers around unnecessarily and then being upset when those daggers are unnecessarily thrown back.

@Franklin2100 .. Where is this "dagger"? Misleading is misleading. I'm not saying your the boogieman here. I'm saying that recommending a higher dose than is required in ideal conditions - i.e pure extract and good vaporization technique/device - is an irresponsible thing to do. Stop taking genuine criticisms personally. You are probably a great guy, and have great intentions. And if we were in person right now we'd probably be having a very pleasant discussion. This is an internet forum, so if people don't agree with you, don't be so quick to think they are attacking you. That said, our intentionsmight not have the desired effect if our information isn't correct.

50mg or any of the doseage tiers above those recommended, is not unsafe physically but can be quite traumatising for someone who doesn't know the experience well. Hence, we start with the lowest possible dose required for breakthrough.. and then to go from there. If you prefer doing 50mg to 30mg that is totally cool. For me, I think 50mg is a great dose.. I really like that level of experience. But I'd never recommend it to someone who is new to DMT, nor to someone who is satisfied with the level they have reached. Your saying people should up their dose based on a hunch that they probably aren't very good at vaporization.. Franklin.. come on mate.

It is all love from here and I bet from Nydex too. There are human beings on the other end that don't agree with what your saying.. and we are at a site that promotes harm reduction

I've broken through with 30mg many times.. so it is either your technique or your extract.. if using Acacia confusa for examplethe extract might be 50% NMT.. requiring a higher dose to get the desired dose of DMT. With plants like Mimosa hostilis 50mg is not generally required unless you have a unique physical makeup that requires more..

 

[Franklin2100]

@Franklin2100 .. Where is this "dagger"? Misleading is misleading. I'm not saying your the boogieman here. I'm saying that ecommending a higher dose than is required in ideal conditions, is an irresponsible thing to do. Stop taking genuine criticisms personally. You probably a great guy, and have great intentions. And if we were in person right now we'd probably be having a very pleasant discussion. This is an internet forum, so if people don't agree with you, don't be so quick to think they are attacking you. That said, our intentionsmight not have the desired effect if our information isn't correct.

50mg or any of the doseage tiers above those recommended, is not unsafe physically but can be quite traumatising for someone who doesn't know the experience well. Hence, we start with the lowest possible dose required for breakthrough.. and then to go from there. If you prefer doing 50mg to 30mg that is totally cool. For me, I think 50mg is a great dose.. I really like that level of experience. But I'd never recommend it to someone who is new to DMT, nor to someone who is satisfied with the level they have reached. Your saying people should up their dose based on a hunch that they probably aren't very good at vaporization.. Franklin.. come on mate.

It is all love from here and I bet from Nydex too. There are human beings on the other end that don't agree with what your saying.. and we are at a site that promotes harm reduction

I've broken through with 30mg many times.. so it is either your technique or your extract.. if using confusa for example it might be 50% NMT.. requiring a higher dose to get the desired dose of DMT.

I'm not even reading this. Lol goodnight everyone!!!

 

[acacian]

@Franklin2100 , I hope that you reconsider our intentions here, as it would be a shame if you left thinking we are all nasty people.

I really don't agree with what you say about dose.. and I'm giving you my reasons. There is no personal attack here. I've been wrong about a million things in my life and will continue to be I'm sure. There's not much more than that to say. We're brought here by DMT.. there is a mutual respect in our admiration of it. And I hope that most of us want people to experience it in the safest and most positive way possible..

If your going to be a part of online forums I recommend developing a thick skin.. when there aren't faces and vocal tones involved it can be easy to misread signals. Most of the time, people mean you no harm and probably just don't agree with you. And that's fine.

When you disagree with people face to face.. is it always argumentative? If not, I encourage you to keep this in mind, as text can only represent so much. If so, then.. well yeah.. my earlier points

 

[Animistic]

I've had a close friend go too deep on their first time, come to me with a lot of deep wtf that's taken a while to integrate from, too much too soon. After some time I encouraged them to try very small doses around 5-10mg and it helped them find their feet again, as well as integrate the experience they had. Afterward they said they wished they did that in the first place.

All this to say +1 for minimal effective dose assuming perfect administration and desired depth first time up.

 

[Franklin2100]

I've had a close friend go too deep on their first time, come to me with a lot of deep wtf that's taken a while to integrate from, too much too soon. After some time I encouraged them to try very small doses around 5-10mg and it helped them find their feet again, as well as integrate the experience they had. Afterward they said they wished they did that in the first place.

All this to say +1 for minimal effective dose assuming perfect administration and desired depth first time up.

I don't quite know why y'all keep talking about this repeatedly when I don't disagree with this , I just haven't smoked 25mgs correctly in a setting that I'm used too and comfortable with. I already admitted that I didn't smoke it properly. I'm not disagreeing with anything , I'm just confused what's with all this persistence for me to just believe in something that I have yet to try out effectively on my own. Also my first experience with such a high doses helped me heal from childhood trauma ,soz y'all keep saying the first dose , first dose, small dose, small dose ....when I didnt try a small dose the first time ,yet, I'm open to trying that 25 mg dose to deepen my experience and understanding. This conversation is closed , it has been closed. Theres no need to go any further.