First journey into the spice coming up next weekend, a few queries as we dive into hyperspace.

[NoMeNoYou]

Greetings, and thanks for stopping by.

This will be a relatively long post and likely thread should it get some viewership. For those who contribute thanks for being a part of the journey.

Where I come from? Well if you haven't seen my welcome essay, I'm an experienced shroomer. I couldn't even number the journey's I've been on with the little guys if I tried. Now I'm looking to the spice while I take a break from Shrooms until next year where I will be moving up to some more difficult to cultivate types.

Where I'm at? I have 1kg of red Caapi, and 2g of freebase DMT. Tomorrow I will be going out to build my Key V2 pipe. It's been about 6 months since my last journey so I'm getting quite anxious awaiting the ego death. My higher self and I get randomly connected every once in a while, and the poor Spirit is missing our connections. I know no matter what there will be a lot of tears this round, many of joy for the re-connection, others of sadness as I know now there is no going back and have to let go of some things, and loss of innocence is always tough. It will be a beautiful experience to be sure.

So here's the plan:
-Buy the parts for the KEY V2 tomorrow, I don't have a propane torch so I'll be cleaning it in acetone and then blasting it in the oven on broil for a few hours. After that I will do my ceremony to give thanks to it for being a part of my journey,give thanks to the materials that the earth graciously allowed to be taken for it to make it's way to me, inscribe it with my first rune using a dremel tool, and spend some time infusing it with my spirit over the next week or so.

-My first journey with the spice will likely be next weekend the 16th. So for for this week I will try a Caapi tea alone ~40g to see how it makes me feel, and how the Caapi integrates into my life. I'll also likely smoke some Caapi along with my companion Mary Jane and see how those two get along in my system.

- The first experience will be with Changa, I'll infuse a half gram of DMT into a half gram of caapi and see where that takes me. I am not particularly interested in straight DMT for the same reason I never did Psilocin extracts from Cubensis, to a degree I feel it better to have more nature in the equation as it sits better with me. I will likely still do one straight DMT session, but that is mainly for science and only once I get comfortable with it.

Annnd the questions:
- I know it is incomparable, but how will DMT be compared to shrooms? I'm used to 3-4 hour journeys with the peak feeling like it lasts much longer due to the time dilation, will DMT give me a similar feeling of timelessness?

- If I smoke weed post DMT will it take me back up like it does with Shrooms? I know pretty much for ~16-48 hours after a journey with Shrooms I am able to float back into it with just a bit of Mary Jane, so unsure what to expect this way?

- I'm looking at the Gemini 20 by AWS as my scale, but is this needed? I have a centegram scale already that is very accurate. Could I just use volumetric weight to make the changa and not worry too much about it? I'm not nervous or worried about going to far into hyperspace, I don't mind bad trips at all, they teach you as much as good ones do.

-From my reading DMT doesn't have a tolerance build up, so you can pretty much go back to back with Changa and maintain a certain level of depth. Is this a jarring experience? For example do you come back down to near baseline before going back up, or can you just keep toking away and enjoy floating?

I think that's it for now, I'll post some pictures of my Red Caapi in a few days and see if you guys can verify whether it's truly caapi or not. I trust my source, but as always it's best to be sure.

Be you soon,
No One At All.

 

[Global]

Welcome NoMeNoYou! I wanted to take some time to address your questions, as well as raise a concern with the dosage you posted.

- The first experience will be with Changa, I'll infuse a half gram of DMT into a half gram of caapi and see where that takes me. I am not particularly interested in straight DMT for the same reason I never did Psilocin extracts from Cubensis, to a degree I feel it better to have more nature in the equation as it sits better with me. I will likely still do one straight DMT session, but that is mainly for science and only once I get comfortable with it.

The dosage for smoking DMT is pretty small. With straight DMT, the upper recommended dosage is 25-30mg when vaporized properly. 25mg is .025g, while the half gram that you mention is .5 (orders of magnitude larger). Just wanted to make sure you didn't plan on smoking the half gram at once because that would be a devastatingly terrible mistake to make. That dosage is with straight DMT as mentioned, so adding the caapi would lower the amount of DMT that you would need to consume. Changa is not my specialty, though I've made and smoked it before, so make sure to do some good research on dosage.

Annnd the questions:
- I know it is incomparable, but how will DMT be compared to shrooms? I'm used to 3-4 hour journeys with the peak feeling like it lasts much longer due to the time dilation, will DMT give me a similar feeling of timelessness?

How will DMT compare to shrooms? They are apples and oranges...or shrooms and DMT if you will. I think differences between the two are numerous, although there are similarities. DMT can definitely interact with ones perception of time. On one of my strongest trips, I experienced the feeling of infinity, though for myself I would say that time discrepancies from smoked DMT are not that noticeable because if they are there, they tend to pale in comparison to everything else going on. It would tend to be the last thing on your mind. 5 minutes will still tend to feel like 5 minutes. It will be over before you know it.

With the changa you're smoking, and the slightly extended trip duration, time distortion would have a greater chance of presenting itself. The good thing about the short trip though is that if things get tough, they'll be over very quickly, so keeping that in mind serves as a good tool to prevent anxiety from cropping up. All too many times, I find that the bad trip anxiety that arises on the longer acting psychedelics is a result of feeling stuck, and knowing that it won't be over soon, which serves the anxiety feedback loop.

- If I smoke weed post DMT will it take me back up like it does with Shrooms? I know pretty much for ~16-48 hours after a journey with Shrooms I am able to float back into it with just a bit of Mary Jane, so unsure what to expect this way?

Yes, no and maybe. Obviously these drugs all affect everyone different, and so no one will be able to tell you what your reaction will be when doing it for yourself, but a lot of us find weed smoking to be a bit more psychedelicized after smoking DMT. Might throw some colorful phosphene clouds your way, but nothing to really write home about. DMT can take you so incredibly far out, but if you smoke it poorly, it pretty much does next to nothing. It's like the stars have to align, and you need to know what you're doing with it for it to be useful at all, so with that in mind, I wouldn't expect to get too far just by lighting up some MJ. It's like you took a rocket ship to the moon once, and now you want to use a trampoline, and see if you can get back. Sure, you'll get marginally higher off that ground than the altitude your feet are at on the ground, but don't expect anything fancy.

- I'm looking at the Gemini 20 by AWS as my scale, but is this needed? I have a centegram scale already that is very accurate. Could I just use volumetric weight to make the changa and not worry too much about it? I'm not nervous or worried about going to far into hyperspace, I don't mind bad trips at all, they teach you as much as good ones do.

I also have a centegram scale, and I get by just fine. P.S. Be nervous. You literally have no idea what you might be getting into regardless of how many times you've taken shrooms. We all get nervous when we go because even if we've been there hundreds of times with overwhelmingly positive experiences...we still never know what we're getting into with DMT. Unpredictable doesn't come close to describing it.

-From my reading DMT doesn't have a tolerance build up, so you can pretty much go back to back with Changa and maintain a certain level of depth. Is this a jarring experience? For example do you come back down to near baseline before going back up, or can you just keep toking away and enjoy floating?

This DMT tolerance stuff is quite anomalous. Again, changa isn't my specialty, but I know that people do enjoy retoking throughout that experience. I can tell you from a lot of my experiences, I've had quite the mixed bag of results. Smoking again in a very short time period is like telling DMT, "I want double or nothing." In the second round, good experiences tend to be really good...or pretty miserable. It's a big gamble. I've had to learn the very hard way that when I get a good one, to put the pipe away for another day, and not to test my luck. Don't get me wrong, some of the best experiences I've had have come from redosing, but again I need to stress the gambling aspect of this. Sometimes you'll smoke again, before coming down, and not too much might happen. It's as if, DMT sometimes works its best magic when it can use baseline like a springboard. When there's already "energy in the system," smoking more doesn't always equate to upping the intensity/plot.

 

[Global]

In addition, I would like to add that for me, the strongest similarities between shrooms and DMT arise in the afterglow following the intense portion of the experience (the part that contains "the plot" if there is one). By this point, visually, the open eyed room often looks like the peak of a very strong mushroom trip. Physical reality size distortions and inanimate object movements are high, and there can be floating multidimensional geometry. I would say this afterglow seems to contrast with the peak of a shrooms trip because there is usually high mental clarity and low body load as compared with a shrooms trip.

 

[Northerner]

Hi NMNY

I would like to mirror what Global said at one point...

I was a very experienced tripper before I tried DMT. But there is literally nothing you can do that can prepare you for it. No amount of trip report reading or trying to get your head around it will give you any inclination about what to expect. It scared me the first time, I seriously wasn't sure if I was going to die or not. Oh my. But I was straight back in there within the hour. It was love at first sight.

Just strap in, expect nothing, relax, relax, relax... try to relax.

 

[NoMeNoYou]

Oooooops :surprised,

I got so caught up in making my Key, and doing alkaloid extraction research on caapi, plus various supply runs I completely forgot to come back to this.

Firstly a huge thank you Global, that has been one of the most extensive replies I've gotten on this type of forum. Thank you for investing the time in addressing my concerns, means a lot.

Don't worry I certainly am not interested in smoking that much DMT at once! Just figured I'd throw a gram of changa together first since I have to dose volumetricly and see how she goes. In the end I did purchase a miligram scale, just so I can get used to it and then I'll sell the scale off.

At this point I'll actually be doing freebase DMT first to test the waters, then adding in harmalas at 1:1 ratio. In the end I'll likely make a .5g/.5g dmt/harmalas extract, another .5/.75 and a final .25/.5 just to really see how the interactions with different levels go. This is evidently a lot more complex than shrooms which was just finding my dose with a given batch versus testing the waters with combinations.

You guys have gotten me bloody excited, I thought when I hit shrooms I was pretty much there. LSD wasn't my bag, and I was told Shrooms are pretty much it aside from Peyote. This sounds like it's gonna blast me out way further, and with the Caapi combination it looks like duration and the like can be tuned not to mention the whole Aya prospect of having the length of shrooms (which I love).

You're absolutely right Northerner, I have no idea what to expect! That is what is going to make this so bloody amazing. The more I read up on DMT, the more I realize this was the next step in the journey. Not to mention that if I can handle it (which time will tell) shrooms can further potentiate dmt/caapi. This is like the first steps of a whole new journey, and it's gonna be one hell of a ride!

Anyways for now my Key is constructed! Gonna start working on polishing the brass, and I'll post some pics of that tomorrow. Also constructed a THP (The Herbal Perculator for other new comers) and going to do an extract on 150g of caapi tomorrow. Likely tomorrow afternoon will consist of drinking a 40g dose of the extracted caapi tea, and should that sit nicely, tomorrow evening will be my first blast off with freebase.

"To infinity, and beyond!" - Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.

Forever in your debt,
Nobody

 

[melotikaci]

Here is my small tip:
One thing that works best for me when trying new substance is having no expectations and not knowing what's to come. I never read trip reports before trying anything. I had no idea what to expect when I did my first dmt and I had no idea what would be HBWS like. Take that information as spoilers for movies. I know that reading or watching trip reports and other stuff can't be compared to what you'll see/feel during the trip but still, I prefer being kept in complete darkness as much as possible before letting a substance take me wherever it wishes.

Of course that's not the case with dosage and safety information, which is must know.

 

[AcidShard]

In the end I did purchase a miligram scale, just so I can get used to it and then I'll sell the scale off.

You should keep your scale, small differences in dose can make a huge difference.
Don't eyeball your dose, it's too easy to accidentally tear the universe asunder.

 

[NoMeNoYou]

Meloticacy I actually haven't read a single trip report, and I love your style.

The only information I have on what it's like came from first researching administration and dosage, which then lead to learning about changa, onto caapi, onto extracting caapi, and finally dmt extraction threads. From those I've gathered only tidbits that make it sound quite literally like it will tear me away from external reality, and mentions of intensity beyond what I experienced with shrooms. Other than that, being "attacked by geometry", and random comments about meeting aliens by swimming pools, I have zero idea what to expect. Not even sure what a breakthrough even refers to.

AcidShard, the only thing with that is I HATE having shit laying around I can't explain away or actually use for other things. I work in Opsec and it's a pet peeve of mine. I can't pretend I'm a rock collector or whatever with gems, so unless I can find a use for it in my field it's very difficult for me to justify sitting around on such an accurate scale with any real conviction. Probably not an issue from a legal stand point, nobody is gonna catch me at what I do, but still I don't like leaving little pebbles in the pond so to speak.

Much Love,
Nobody.

 

[Global]

You guys have gotten me bloody excited, I thought when I hit shrooms I was pretty much there. LSD wasn't my bag, and I was told Shrooms are pretty much it aside from Peyote. This sounds like it's gonna blast me out way further, and with the Caapi combination it looks like duration and the like can be tuned not to mention the whole Aya prospect of having the length of shrooms (which I love).

Remember too that if at first you don't succeed, try again. DMT has so many sides to offer, and one glimpse for better or worse won't tell you too much. Obviously if you do it, and it really rocks you to your core, and you don't want to do it again, everything is entirely up to you.

 

[NoMeNoYou]

That my friend, IS DEFINITELY NOT GONNA HAPPEN! This stuff is the bomb! It's the best thing I've ever come across.

Started the day doing a caapi extract on 131g of Red caapi. Extract is still going but once she was done reducing from my THP I drank 1/4 of the brew. Effects weren't very noticeable, a bit more headspace, and my body did a light purge. Mostly just felt very peaceful and relaxed and had a bit of a heightened perception of smell and vision. Fell asleep after a few hours and slept like a rock for 90 minutes until a phone call interrupted my peace.

Then my scale arrived so I had no excuse left not to blast off, and man oh man this stuff is going to take me places for sure! There is no way to even compare this to shrooms, it's legitimately a whole other ball of wax.

I loaded up my key with ~45mg of DMT, and vaped 3-4 puffs, they weren't too deep and I probably got only 1/3 of it. Right away I was launched into that Shroom headspace,it was startling how quickly it came on, and how far it wanted to take me. Voice in the head and I connected on a higher level, I was being pushed to go all the way but I knew I wasn't ready for it. This is definitely something where patience is going to be key because she just takes you whether you're ready or not, it was like condensing a Shroom trip into 12 minutes.

There was an agenda of awakening hidden power and pushing my awareness to which I just said no, I'd done this a bit rushed and was more testing the waters to see if it would get me where I needed to go. I had my answer (hell yes) and that was enough. Spent the rest of the trip just basking in the arms of Joy, Happiness, and Love. Took a few more tokes for about 40 minutes, pretty much just holding it at the cusp of where reality starts melting away. So my 45mg pretty much went into 3 journeys.

I can definitely see why people say dosage is so damn important with this. I can tell just +/- 5mg is going to make a huge difference, that and how fast you get it in your system. There are so many facets to freebase to explore before looking at the added harmalas. AND MAN SHE SMELLS SO BEAUTIFUL! Opened the bag and it was like a flower shop in my face. I feel like different doses are just going to take me to completely different places, this is going to be one hell of an adventure.

I'm already regretting that I only have 1.55 grams! Was going to throw down some money on Mary Jane but I think I'll redirect that towards this.

The only Caveat to me versus shrooms is there is no lingering effects, it's almost too clean. I'm back, I'm stone sober, and there is nothing but soberness period. With shrooms I float for almost a week or two after. I can't wait until next summer to combine the two, that added float time really helps me integrate.

Anyways I wrote this extremely excitedly so excuse any grammatical errors. I can't wait for tomorrow where I can really tune in my set and setting, throw the key into a bong instead of just trying to pipe it and test with something smaller like 30mg and see where I end up.

Love, Peace, and Eternal light comrades, the journey begins anew!

Your Truly
Nobody.

 

[Global]

I'm glad to hear about your positive experience. With DMT, holding it in your lungs is really a crucial part of the process. If the dosage is big, but someone doesn't really hold in the DMT for any real length, or like the way most people smoke cannabis, it won't be anywhere near the potential potency of that dosage. You probably could have done half the dosage, held it in, and got even further.