First post, first extraction and a few questions.

[sloby]

Hello fellow nexians. Im kinda new to the forum and the world of DMT. If this isnt the place for this post i ask the admins to forgive me and do with the post whatever they have to do.

Im planning on doing my first extraction on acacia root bark. i placed my order today and hopefully next week i'll have it.
I'm gonna go with the normal A/B extraction as I saw there are numerous threads witch explain this tek in depth. I have all i need but i have a few questions first.

1. As acid (to lower the water ph) is it safe to use the PH- controler that i use for my plants? (59% phosphoric acid. IMO its safe to use)
2. As solvent i cant seem to find naphta (i live in spain) and the only solvent i found its a combination of toluene, methil acetate, propanone(?) and methanol. Is this a good solvent to use?
3. Is a defating step possible with this solvent ?
4. Im thinking of starting with 50g of rootbark. Is that enough for a firtstimer to perform an extraction from witch will learn how it goes or a bigger quantity is needed for visual experiences ?(im talking about the experiment alone, the extractikn per se, not the trip after smoked or ingested)

Im not a native english so pls excuse my errors in spelling.
Thanks a lot and will update soon.

 

[BubbleCat]

Let me start in this order:

Q3: Make yourself familiar with thepolarity of solvents and didferenciate polar and non-polar solvents. Its essential understanding IMO, I could directly answer your question, but once you know about polarity you'll be able to answer it yourself.

Q2: I am very sure you can get very pure and good solvents, even lab grade analysis and synthesis wise, even in spain. It might not be what youre looking for tho. Im not a fan of this, but, if you want the naphta "everyone" is using, search no longer: your petrolstation, newspaper shop, tobacco store ... will have lighter fuel. Thats what youre looking for.

Q1: Yes it is safe to use, if we assume the other xx% are water or something else that is safe. Obviously its aeqous, I guess its water. You can also use simple available aeqous hcl or battery acid, rust treatment, lemon juice, vinegar essence, vitamine c ... the list goes on. Again it wouldnt be my choice, personally I'd go the extra mile spend the extra buck and get my safe and proven chemikals from a trustable source.

Q4: I hope "taking the experiment alone" doesnt mean you will be alone or unsupervised. It might be a good choice to have someone "sober" around whos aware of everything. 50g of rootvark is enough if you dont mess up anything in your extraction and follow a basic tek closely. Also its smarter to use a smaller quantity if you dont exactly know what youre doing yet, you might mess it up.

Have fun getting started

 

[sloby]

Thanks for replying.
So ... is there any thread that explains polarity in solvents? Could i get a link? (thanks)

And about the solvent, i will go and search some more suppliers ...

 

[sloby]

So ... i've been reading a bit about polar and nonpolar molecules. Thanks for the advice BubbleCat. I think i got it now.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Please post the MSDS of any solvent you are looking at using, the mix of that one you mentioned is not a typical solvent that is used. The worldwide option is z@#po but you should also look into Extracting DMT with ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate - Eco friendly extraction teks - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus thread as it is a very accessable tek. I believe endlessness may also be able to understand your native language if you wanted to be sure you are doing a safe process.

 

[sloby]

I got the MSDS for thatbperticular solvent and it goes like this :
25-50% toluene
25-50% Methyl acetate (did i write it good ?)
10-25% methanol
10-25% Propanona(?)
1-2.5% ethanol.

 

[smokerx]

I got the MSDS for thatbperticular solvent and it goes like this :
25-50% toluene
25-50% Methyl acetate (did i write it good ?)
10-25% methanol
10-25% Propanona(?)
1-2.5% ethanol.

I would not use this. You need clean naphtha. As suggested above tabaco shops will have lighter fluid which is naphtha. Or see some paint shop I bet you can find some naphtha there.

Try evap test on it.

 

[sloby]

I have a can of z@#po lighter fluid that i baught and tested yesterday. I dropped a bit on a petri dish and evaped clean. Why i insist on toluene is that i've read a few threads witch states that toluene and another one are superior as nonpolar solvent then naphta.

 

[LysergicBliss]

Why i insist on toluene is that i've read a few threads witch states that toluene and another one are superior as nonpolar solvent then naphta.

Toluene and xylene are commonly used in extractions, but I'm not sure that they are superior to naphtha. From what I remember reading they actually pull a lot more alkaloid impurities than naphtha. That's not a problem if you defat properly though.

I've always used naphtha and have always gotten great yields with it. If you're worried it's not as efficient at pulling the DMT from the aqueous layer you could always do an extra pull or two to make sure you get all the goodies. In my experience though 3 pulls with naphtha is sufficient.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Toluene, xylene and d-limo are all good for pulling and will poor more with less but you cant go straight to freeze precip with them you have to either evaporate them away or salt out and pull with another solvent as is the case with d-limo.

 

[sloby]

Hello again.

I've performed my first extraction (a/b dmt handbook tek) on 50g acrb (i made only 1 pull 'cause i ran out of naphtha) that yelded 0.25g aprox.

After a week or so i made another extraction on 400g of acrb (same tek since it worked finr thr first time) this time i made 3 pulls and i got a nice 3.5g of small cristals mixed with goo. I separated what i could from the goo and cristals and started a recrystalization on 3g of goo witch is in the freezer now. I shall wait till tomorrow night and see what i get from there.

Now... the yellowish oil that remained from the recrystalization (i suppose its dmt n oxide) i added 30ml of 96% ethylic alcohol and enhanced some leaf without any harmalas, only the dmt oxide (its drying).

When i got my order inside the package was a gift from the seller of 25g of syrian rue seeds. Weighted 20g of seeds and tried to extract the harmalas as described in this tek : Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus but didnt work for me. Ill try a different tek when i get my next order.

Earlier today i started boiling 3g of syrian seeds (im at thr second boil) and an planning to ingest that after reducig it and all that and after about 20-30 min to ingest 50mg of dmt disolved in some orange juice.
Will it work ? Are the harmalas enough 3g with 50mg of dmt orally ? I havnt raten yet today and planning not to eat till after the trip.