First time: All the way, or start slow?

[SoManyRoads]

Hello all! I'll start out by saying that in the past two weeks, I have done a lot of reading on this site, and I have found many different answers to this question, and I am a little confused about the subject. Some people have said to start slow, and work your way up, and I have also read that some people say you should not start out slow because sub-breakthrough experiences can be off putting, and to just go for it. I do have experience with psychedelics. I have taken LSD maybe 15-20 times, and shrooms about the same. I only had one bad trip out of all those experiences, and it was on shrooms.

My original plan was to start out with 10mg's, and work up, but now I'm not so sure if I shouldn't just go for it, and start out with 50mg's. I realize that even starting out slow, there is no comparison to what is going to happen when I breakthrough, but is there something that can be gained by non-breakthrough trips that may help?

I know that the only answers to this question are just going to be opinions, but I greatly appreciate, and respect anything anyone can say that may help me make this decision.

Thanks!

 

[Bill Cipher]

It doesn't have to be one way or the other. Why not split the difference? You're eager for the full monty, but respectfully cautious - and that's the best possible mindset to embark with.

Why not start with 25mgs, and then increase in 5mg and 10mg increments? In my opinion, the true beauty starts to come out around 25-30mgs - and in that range, there's not a lot of the uncomfortable body load and confusion that comes with lower doses. 50mgs packs an ENORMOUS wallop. It's exponentially deeper than a dose half that size, in every conceivable way.

Don't be in a huge rush to get there. That is my advice. Get your toes wet, establish a relationship and get a feel for what it's about. Then when you hit that staggering dose, you may feel more confident in letting go.

My $.02.

 

[tele]

If you take too much at first you might get scared away from it for good, this is rare but possible. I would recommend starting from 12mg with efficient vaporization device(and proper screen and lighter). There's nothing to lose if one starts low.

Starting at 25mg taken properly in single inhalation with efficient device can deliver effect that might be too much for some people. Starting low is good idea with something as powerful as this.

My 0.02€8)

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

I entirely agree with the above two posts. When introducing new people to the Spice I always give around 24-29 mg (in a VG). That dose is visual and immersive, but not AS immersive as 40-50...

but then again I started with more like 45... it was insane but wonderfully nice and purifying. I cried real tears of joy for the first time in my life! So I guess it's just kinda how your personality is... think about cold water, do you jump in or test the waters? How cautious of a person are you? Also, do you like rollercoasters? It's very much like a bungee-jump or rollercoaster into the farthest side of consciousness! If you are that kind of person, confident in yourself and your stamina, then I'd actually say go for more like 40mg.

I do 40 mg to "break myself in" after a while away from the Spice.

 

[tele]

We have to take into notice that when it comes to DMT doses 100mg from a poor device can equal 10mg from a proper device. Or even from a proper device with poor vaporization technique, many things matter when it comes to the amount entering the blood. Therefore it's a good idea for a newb to know everything about how to vaporize correctly before attempting it. Just saying that for example when some people load 50mg it's possible they are getting only half or less of it.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

VERY true

 

[SoManyRoads]

Thank you guys for your input! I plan to put together a machine tomorrow, and sometime over this weekend, give spice a try. My plan for using the machine is to melt the DMT onto the scrubber material, and when vaporizing, I understand I would face the neck end down, and hold a Bic lighter just below the end of the screen, and let the heat rise up, and vape the spice. Does this sound like I have the right idea?

Thanks again!

 

[Bill Cipher]

A torch lighter will be more effective. Don't touch the flame to the mesh. Either way, the machine can make for some pretty harsh vapor.

 

[SoManyRoads]

Thanks Art! Can you recommend a better way for the first time, or do you think I should just go for the machine?

 

[sidefx]

I have only broken through fully twice in my six years of partaking i have smoked 20 odd times

I recon it is more intense and one gets a better respect for its power to sit on the edge of reality with the DMT.

You get to feel all its power building up.

With the breakthrough for me you just get swept away, but a non breakthrough dose you feel all its power but maybe not all its wisdom.

on your journeys you should try all.

Not everyone breaks through their first time, i am led to believe even with high doses.


I always use a water bong, with dry mint leaves a a sandwich.
Smooth.

Look in the FAQ, for smoking methods there is a few, i want to invest in a machine or vapour genie as i think i may be loosing a bit of DMT, but bong always works charmer the key is to hold it all in till you cannot,

smoke something before to ready your lungs plrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Bill Cipher]

Do you have access to a bong and oil burner stem? That will work like a charm. Or, better yet, make a 1:1 enhanced leaf concoction with mullein and bong that right up. It's twice as much material to inhale, but it's a pretty foolproof method.

I'm not talking about a sandwhich, now, which isn't nearly as effective. Just dissolve an equal weight of spice to mullein in IPA or acetone, stir, evaporate and you're good to go.

And of course, nothin' compares to the GVG...

 

[oden]

Much respect on your bravery
For me i wanted to know and swallowed my fear...its like this for me..
My heart was heavy wanting to know something ,anything, that would remove my sadness and anger.

About the good people i lost,and the anger i had for the way people treated each other.
I felt everybody wanted a better planet, but would not stand up to do the right thing when it was needed.
Or could watch others treat people bad without saying a word..i felt it so strong.
That if i could truly find any understanding,i would jump into hell for my answer..

AluminumFoilRobots..said when you jump into cold water, do you stick your toe in first?
Thats my feeling,if you have truly done your research,and your heart is clean...
JUMP...If you really believe,i mean really believe,then JUMP IN

I got my breakthrough the first time and i broke down like a baby,i cried,not from saddness,from what it showed me..


You look into your heart,and ask yourself,how bad do i really want to know..
THE OTHERS ALREADY KICKED THE DOOR IN FOR US..ARE YOU BRAVE ENOUGH TO FOLLOW? I was..

I wish you well in whatever you chose,and truly hope you find what you seek......ODEN

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

Can you recommend a better way for the first time, or do you think I should just go for the machine?

Key V2

also i would recommend making changa.

 

[tele]

I believe the wooden VG is cheap and efficient enough that I would recommend it to everyone who wants to vaporize but don't want to get the GVG(yet:wink: )
The carved one is better because it doesn't have the aluminum connector piece that heats up noticeably.
I simply don't see how the machine or sandwiching etc can compare to the genie with torch lighter and copper mesh.

 

[SoManyRoads]

Oden, thank you so much for the kind words, I really appreciate it! I share some of the same feelings you do.

I am definitely going to be ordering a GVG next week, as well as some other essentials that are necessary for one to continue on this journey. I was given 100mg's by a friend, so that's all I have right now to break the ice with until aforementioned essentials arrive.

I know it's probably taboo to use it, but what are some thoughts on using a light bulb with a poop bottle cap secured on, with the straw through it. I would use a torch lighter for the heat source. The other option would be the machine, but that is kind of intimidating to start with considering the small amount I have to work with. Same as the Changa method that was mentioned by a couple of you. I just don't want to ruin the little that I have. I would rather deal with the harshness, than take the chance of destroying it. Also, I do not have access to a bubbler, or a bong.

Thanks!

 

[jack_in_the_box]

SoManyRoads, thankyou very much for bringing this topic up because its an issue i consider often and sometimes for too long.

as someone who HAS NOT TAKEN this substance, my view is an echo of my favorite authors attitude, in that a gradual easing into psychedelics is preferable to jumping right in. the reason for this is that people who jump right in (with for example the 50mg dose) easily jump into views that are astonishing and bizarre in order to try to hold the cosmic order of it all (or a model of the cosmic order) in their heads and in proper order. views like 'these entities simply MUST be aliens' or 'im talking to my dead father' or 'i am jesus christ!'

(im sort of grasping for the right words here, those arent exactly what i mean)

the advantage to going gradual is that you keep your doubt. youre willing to be like the biblical saint thomas, and jump on board with the first word (or elven gift) you get.

its sort of like when terence mckenna would talk about meeting the tykes for the first time, and being urged by them to not panic, to not give way to astonishment, to not dissolve into utter gibbering wonder. its important to not do, because if youre caught up in wonder you forget to notice and you give up understanding.

as perhaps blasphemous as this suggestion may be, having a degree of blase-ness about some visions may be the only way to cope with something utterly beyond belief.

i am sure that my suggestion doesnt bear as much weight as a traveler to that realm would, and could be told to go stuff my pipe and smoke it and than come to lecture this topic.

 

[cidilon]

A light bulb might work but DMT has a tendency to run up the walls! Therefore it might be hard to vaporize all of the amount and even if you do, i find it is to much fiddling around. If on the other hand you have a hollowed out 600w lamp, it works wonders - the tip of the lamp is the perfect place to nestle the crystals as they tend to not run away (my trusty 600w vap produced some wonderful journeys for me). Still, everyone will recommend the GVG and it's probably the best option in the long run.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

The classic VG works great, once you figure it out. And it's half the price.

I can see how the glass one helps what with seeing the vapor and all... but it's the same basic device... except the glass one IS way sexier.
But I've come to love my VG. When under the influence of the Spice it takes on this... steampunk quality, strangest thing.

 

[tele]

The classic VG works great, once you figure it out. And it's half the price.

I can see how the glass one helps what with seeing the vapor and all... but it's the same basic device... except the glass one IS way sexier.
But I've come to love my VG. When under the influence of the Spice it takes on this... steampunk quality, strangest thing.

I've tried both and I agree wood VG is great. But there are some bonuses to the glass one, such as more space for vapor, seeing when the vaporstream ends(and seeing it in general) and cooler vapor. But the VG has the bonus that it won't break if it hits the floor.

 

[cosmic butterfly]

find that dosage can vary a lot from person to person. I can breakthrough on 25mg, but i have friends that need 50+, so best prob to test the waters and find ur sweet spot. About device, id skip the others and recommend getting the gvg. Id forget the lightbulb, which was prob one of the worst, just burned most of it, and not enough smoke. I also have a wood vg, which is much better but also not that much smoke, and can get harsh. The gvg like everyone on this forum recommends is made for this stuff. Huge rips and so smooooth, one of the best investments ull make