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First time Harmaline HCI + pure DMT, any advice welcome

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unix49

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Hello fellow explorers,

I would have posted this in the Pharmahuasca section, but I don't seem to have access to that section of the forum yet.

After playing with the thought of trying DMT for years, I have recently come to a point in my life where I believe I am ready to see what I will be shown through this experience. The calling has come and I feel I need to try this to gain insight on myself and difficult experiences from my past.

Long story short, I have some white powder lab-tested to be 97.8% N,N-DMT and a yellow/gold powder which is full spectrum peganum harmala syrian rue alkaloid extract containing Harmine/Harmaline HCl.

From my understanding, ingesting capsules with 100mg of Harmine/Harmaline HCI extract and 50mg of DMT 90 minutes later, should make my journey begin.
However I have found little information on exactly this method of administration, as most of what I read including Harmine/Harmaline, detailed procedures involving plant material and roots, not pure extracts.

Any advice? Tips? Anything I should be aware of before trying this method of administration?

As for previous experiences, I have tried vaporizing DMT twice before, and while it was definitely a very intense experience, I don't think I "broke through" and I don't seem to have gained much if any insight out of it, rather it felt like a momentary glimpse of what's to come.

Any advice is appreciated - thanks!

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Mods, please feel free to move this if there is a more appropriate forum for my question.
 
Pharma is a great resource, and one of my favorite ways to ingest DMT.

As for advice, there may be some nausea but that is to be expected, and even welcome in many cases. Many consider "the purge" a healing process. But not all of us are big fans of purging so to limit the nausea, one can pre-dose a smaller amount of harmalas, wait an hour and then take your true dose of harmalas and the DMT. You can read my report on pre-dosing harmalas for pharmahuasca here if interested:

Halfway Between "Here" and "There" (Pharma report with MAOI pre-dose)

I'd say 50mg DMT is a good place to start although dosage is tricky and very subjective with this ROA. I would suggest taking closer to 200mg of harmalas total just to ensure that you are properly inhibited.

I've never taken pharma in capsules before so I can't offer much advice there. I have read that it can throw off the timing if they don't uniformly release their goodies. I just dissolve my doses into a small amount of OJ and toss it back. But again, I can't really speak for the efficiency of using capsules...so perhaps, in time, you could try both ways and see what works best...

As for the trip itself, many (including myself) find it much more insightful than with smoked DMT mainly because of the duration differences. You will have much more time to explore this way. However it can still be just as powerful as smoking, but that is usually on higher doses.

Again, it all boils down to personal body chemistry so I'm just speaking from my own personal experience and from my interactions with others here on the forum. Best of luck!

:)
 
Fine that you want to venture pharma.
After literal hundreds of trials, see my way (for now):

If its yellow/gold harmalas then its likely rueHCL which is not full spectrum but merely narrowed down on the harmine+harmaline. In short: more powerful MAOI than full spectrum for same weight.

I always advocate to go 100 mg harmalas in advance, then 1 to 2 hours later go for the final dose another 100(min) to 150 mg to 200(max) harmalas + the spice dose (50 sounds nice to start, would not go higher for very first time, there are other opinions out there).

Capsules can lead to unexpected time delays, working with water makes absorption flawless.

The pre dose harmalas: just pop it in half a glass water it dissolves great. drink then flush with a full glass water.

The final dose: first drop the spice in an empty glass and add few ml (100 drops??) of pure lemon or citron juice on it, swirl and let dissolve. Then add the harmalas + half a glass water, all should be dissolved now. Drink, flush with a glass of water.
I've treid numerous fruit juices or sweeteners, stick to water to have no sugars leads to least discomforts IMO.

You can always take a tiny piece of a mint tablet to get the taste away.

Crawl under a blanket, make room warm. Lie very still to dodge the first period of nausea. Heart beat and respiration will go higher, very normal. I like dimm lights and no sounds, no distractions. Expect 1 hour to come on + rising, in that time I rest as deep and as much possible to accumulate energy and avoid also emotions. Now and then sit/stand right to make the air leave the stomach to release pressure there, burps take a ton away from the nausea.

Best is while sober in the morning, that gives the least of abdominal discomforts and powerful experiences. If in the evening, no eating (drinking lean liquids OK) for 12 hours if possible.

Happy trials :thumb_up:
 
You know, I never thought about the sugars from the juices interacting but it makes sense. It has been a little while since my last pharma experience but I will take that into consideration next time.

But yes, blankets, pillows, stuffed animals, what-have-you...soft, comfy, SAFE and warm is essential. I also prefer low light and no music (distractions). It is quite immersive all on it's own and with less distractions comes the ability to explore deeper.

Remember to breathe and enjoy the ride.

8)
 
The Grateful One said:
...Remember to breathe and enjoy the ride.
Yes, when things go hairy bodily, trippily, whatever, just think: my body knows how to handle this, count on that, the body knows, all you have to do is give it rest and oxygen by very slow and deep inhales and firm exhales. You can't do more and it is all the body needs.
:thumb_up:
 
Oral DMT will show you your life and unresolved issues. Its going to show you what type of person you really are. It will show you that ego, anger, arrogance, and pride are not serving you. Its going to try to help you but it very well may be a painful experience.
 
The Grateful One said:
You know, I never thought about the sugars from the juices interacting but it makes sense. It has been a little while since my last pharma experience but I will take that into consideration next time.

But yes, blankets, pillows, stuffed animals, what-have-you...soft, comfy, SAFE and warm is essential. I also prefer low light and no music (distractions). It is quite immersive all on it's own and with less distractions comes the ability to explore deeper.

Remember to breathe and enjoy the ride.

8)

Jees said:
The Grateful One said:
...Remember to breathe and enjoy the ride.
Yes, when things go hairy bodily, trippily, whatever, just think: my body knows how to handle this, count on that, the body knows, all you have to do is give it rest and oxygen by very slow and deep inhales and firm exhales. You can't do more and it is all the body needs.
:thumb_up:

Running Bear said:
Oral DMT will show you your life and unresolved issues. Its going to show you what type of person you really are. It will show you that ego, anger, arrogance, and pride are not serving you. Its going to try to help you but it very well may be a painful experience.

Thanks for all the great advice guys! This was really helpful.

Though I've been hesitant/scared for a while, I've finally worked up the courage to give it a try.
So I have now freed myself of plans for the next 72 hours, fasted for 10 hours, prepped up everything (dim led colored lights throughout the whole house, incense, candles, pleasant room temperature, blankets, pillows, soft music, breath exercise and meditation, shower, relaxing 4K documentaries etc.) and ingested the first harmalas dose in a glass of water 10 minutes ago.

For peace of mind I also put some benzodiazepines handy just in case, though hopefully they won't be needed.

Like Jees advised, I went with 100mg of Harmalas in water and now I am waiting 1,5 hours and then dissolving 50mg of DMT in fresh pressed lemon juice and then adding another 100mg of Harmala and water.

This should be interesting. Will report back. :d Thanks again!
 
Just realized I forgot to ask. If need be, is Diazepam safe to take with the Harmalines and DMT?
I couldn't seem to find anything online suggesting otherwise, however according to Wikipedia (Harmala alkaloid - Wikipedia) Harmala Alkaloids are "a benzodiazepine site inverse agonist".

I am not too sure about what this means, but it'd be good to know wether it could cause any unsafe interaction.

Thanks again
 
Keep a bucket near by,lol.

I've found that I am quite sensitive to harmalas which is probably why my changa kicks my butt.

I can predose with 100mg of free base harmala and then 90min later another 50mg of free base, if I go more than that, at least the several times I've tried so far, I'll hurl every time. Not a good flavor.

At a total of 150mgs I have a heavy drunkenness feeling,very woozy and these ridiculous tracers.

It will all depend on your sensitivities to these molecules, I myself have a low tolerance for the harmala alks and they hit me like a brick.

Be safe and have a happy journey friend :thumb_up:

Peace
 
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