First time making changa need advice please

[leeroyeleusis]

I've recently decided to experiment with some changa recipes and I'm pretty new to all this. I'm familiar with the A/B DMT extraction methods, but I'm struggling a little bit to understand how to proceed after that. I already have the extracted DMT; my problem is actually making a good changa blend—proportions, infusion, etc. My main concerns are regarding the addition of the harmalas to the blend, as some people told me there are two ways of doing it:

1. Extracting the harmalas from the plant that contains them (I'll be using Banisteriopsis caapi) and infusing them into the blend, similarly to how you extract DMT using an A/B tek;
2. Adding the actual ground plant to the blend and smoking it like that. I've seen people who even grind the plant to a fine powder and sprinkle that on the blend after it dries out.

To my beginner perceptions, extracting the harmalas seems like a much more accurate way of adding them to the blend, since you can measure the actual amount of alkaloids you're adding to it, and thus make more accurate ratios, right? As far as I've done research on that, you can use basically the same A/B method to extract the alkaloids, but I'm no expert, so I prefer clarifying all that before trying it. Which method is more reliable? Where can I find good teks and information I should know about that?

The changa recipe I'm looking forward to is the following (I've read this is the original changa blend suggested by Palmer, but I have no evidence of that):

• 300mg Banisteriopsis caapi
• 200mg passionflower
• 200mg mullein
• 200mg peppermint
• 50mg calendula
• 50mg blue lotus

This blend consists basically of 1000mg of herbs, and the harmalas are to be found mainly in the Banisteriopsis caapi, which is added whole, no extraction. But I've done some research and apparently the amount of actual harmalas in 300mg of B. caapi is something around 2-6mg, which, considering the remaining herbs (994-998mg), means the harmalas consist of basically something around 0.2-0.6% of the mix. This sounds ridiculously low, and this isn't even considering the DMT that's gonna be infused, which is gonna reduce even more the ratio of harmalas in the blend. Like, most of the info I've found online suggests a ratio of 30 to 50% DMT, 15% harmalas, and the rest herbs. I'm pretty sure I'm being stupid here since I can't wrap my head around why this recipe has such a small amount of harmalas. Is that right? Where exactly am I being dumb?

Also, I would like some practical advice—not really about proportions, but about good amounts to make good blends. I've had an experience with DMT before, but never tried changa. What are some actual amounts (in mg) for a blend (considering amounts of DMT, harmalas, and herbs), and what's the best amount of changa to be made in my first time? I've thought around 2-3g is a good amount, but I've never done this before; I really am clueless. I've read that changa is much milder when smoked in comparison to actual DMT crystals (and maybe that has to do with the ridiculously low amount of harmalas in the "original" recipe I've just talked about?), but I would like something a bit more intense than that. I'm really trying to go for a breakthrough here. Sorry for the big-ass post, but I have a lot of questions. Any help is appreciated.

 

[Varallo]

I've recently decided to experiment with some changa recipes and I'm pretty new to all this. I'm familiar with the A/B DMT extraction methods, but I'm struggling a little bit to understand how to proceed after that. I already have the extracted DMT; my problem is actually making a good changa blend—proportions, infusion, etc. My main concerns are regarding the addition of the harmalas to the blend, as some people told me there are two ways of doing it:

1. Extracting the harmalas from the plant that contains them (I'll be using Banisteriopsis caapi) and infusing them into the blend, similarly to how you extract DMT using an A/B tek;
2. Adding the actual ground plant to the blend and smoking it like that. I've seen people who even grind the plant to a fine powder and sprinkle that on the blend after it dries out.

To my beginner perceptions, extracting the harmalas seems like a much more accurate way of adding them to the blend, since you can measure the actual amount of alkaloids you're adding to it, and thus make more accurate ratios, right? As far as I've done research on that, you can use basically the same A/B method to extract the alkaloids, but I'm no expert, so I prefer clarifying all that before trying it. Which method is more reliable? Where can I find good teks and information I should know about that?

The changa recipe I'm looking forward to is the following (I've read this is the original changa blend suggested by Palmer, but I have no evidence of that):

• 300mg Banisteriopsis caapi
• 200mg passionflower
• 200mg mullein
• 200mg peppermint
• 50mg calendula
• 50mg blue lotus

This blend consists basically of 1000mg of herbs, and the harmalas are to be found mainly in the Banisteriopsis caapi, which is added whole, no extraction. But I've done some research and apparently the amount of actual harmalas in 300mg of B. caapi is something around 2-6mg, which, considering the remaining herbs (994-998mg), means the harmalas consist of basically something around 0.2-0.6% of the mix. This sounds ridiculously low, and this isn't even considering the DMT that's gonna be infused, which is gonna reduce even more the ratio of harmalas in the blend. Like, most of the info I've found online suggests a ratio of 30 to 50% DMT, 15% harmalas, and the rest herbs. I'm pretty sure I'm being stupid here since I can't wrap my head around why this recipe has such a small amount of harmalas. Is that right? Where exactly am I being dumb?

Also, I would like some practical advice—not really about proportions, but about good amounts to make good blends. I've had an experience with DMT before, but never tried changa. What are some actual amounts (in mg) for a blend (considering amounts of DMT, harmalas, and herbs), and what's the best amount of changa to be made in my first time? I've thought around 2-3g is a good amount, but I've never done this before; I really am clueless. I've read that changa is much milder when smoked in comparison to actual DMT crystals (and maybe that has to do with the ridiculously low amount of harmalas in the "original" recipe I've just talked about?), but I would like something a bit more intense than that. I'm really trying to go for a breakthrough here. Sorry for the big-ass post, but I have a lot of questions. Any help is appreciated.

So if you’re going to use Caapi for your harmalas it’s the easiest to brew as you would Aya without DMT and then skip on concentrating, from there set aside in the fridge and then decant away from the sludge, depending upon how accurate you where you want to repeat this step. The goal is to get an clear solution. Then proceed to add ammonia to ph 12 and set aside, in a couple of days you should be able to collect the sediment, these are your harmalas and are fine to use as is. In my experience you can clean them up a bit, with an Manske cycle, but your yield will be influenced.

For the other questions there is an abundance of good advice already and I would recommend you read through that and then play around with the ratios and see if you can find an optimal mix for your needs. The beauty of changa is that you can just start smoking it until the desired effect presents itself, the negative would be that you smoke plant material and that in it self is an unhealthy thing.

 

[doubledog]

Smoked harmalas are surprisingly effective in small amounts, but it's still better to extract and infuse them into your blend.
Extraction of harmalas is easier than A/B procedure for DMT, as you do not use any nonpolar solvent. You can find instructions how to proceed here in our wiki section.