First time mescaline trip: k-valle Bridgesii

[liucha]

Hey all,



I reduced two 12 inch 'K-valle'Bridgesii cuttings that were grown outside in the SoCal sun their whole lives by a sustainable, reputable grower.



I wanted to try the full alkaloid profile of the cactus for my first time. I made some resin and rolled it into little balls. I can detail my extraction method if requested but it was my first time and I doubt it was anything unique or special.

I'm realizing now that I jumped the gun and didn't measure how much cactus powder I made from my dehydrated cactus cuttings. I did take a photo of the dried stars before I powderized them, so maybe that can give some experienced folk a general idea. I was guessing anywhere from 30-60 grams, lol.

As I stare at this resin, I am realizing I have no way of knowing what the dose will be if I eat it all. Im not really scared of an intense, scary trip because they're usually meaningful in the end.

The variability is wild on it's own with the alkaloid profile variations and potency variations in these cacti. But since I didnt measure initial powder, I feel its just chaos now

Its so weird to me that I could be staring at a massive dose I may regret taking all at once a bit, or a bunk pile of caramelized sugars, fats, etc.


I was wondering if anyone with more experience than me could approximate a likely dose based on the photos and normative potency levels of Bridgesii.

 

[doubledog]

I would start with eating 1g of the resin to estimate its potency.

 

[liucha]

I would start with eating 1g of the resin to estimate its potency.

Yeah thats probably the smart thing to do. Thank you for the input, it really helps!

Ill have to temper my urge to just send it and see what happens. Ive had some hellish, powerful trips but this is a new cluster of molecules I've never tried.

Do you think, if 1g is weak (like barely noticeable effects), taking a booster dose with the remaining resin will even be worth it? Ive read that since these alkaloids are mostly hydrophillic, they take forever to cross the blood brain barrier and do brain stuff. Im worried about having a really meh peak if its weak and I split the doses. I think its a sunken cost thing; this little project was 2 weeks total from procurement of the cuttings to final resin balls.

 

[doubledog]

Yes, mescaline/cactus can be taken that way, in splitted doses. It's even common way to do it like that.

Cactus is slow, so if you want, take 1g (or maybe 2g), wait 2 hours and take the rest if effects are not satisfactory.

Imo you could eat it all in one dose, but bridgesii could be quite harsh physically, so would be better to start lower just to test the water.

 

[liucha]

Yes, mescaline/cactus can be taken that way, in splitted doses. It's even common way to do it like that.

Cactus is slow, so if you want, take 1g (or maybe 2g), wait 2 hours and take the rest if effects are not satisfactory.

Imo you could eat it all in one dose, but bridgesii could be quite harsh physically, so would be better to start lower just to test the water.

Thanks man I'm excited! Based on what I've read, this stuff has a unique signature and I cant wait to see what I think of it.

 

[doubledog]

Yes, mescaline is quite unique. Imo it requires your mental activity or cooperation during the trip, in small or medium doses it's not so ovewhelming or immersive as mushrooms.

 

[liucha]

Yes, mescaline is quite unique. Imo it requires your mental activity or cooperation during the trip, in small or medium doses it's not so ovewhelming or immersive as mushrooms.

And see I think that less overwhelming aspect could be super beneficial for a lot of people i imagine. Thats what I am the most curious about.

 

[doubledog]

Absolutely agree, cactus would be very beneficial for lot of people. I believe that in near future, cactus will become much more popular.
It has MDMA-like empathy, which could be beneficial for most of modern people.

 

[liucha]

Absolutely agree, cactus would be very beneficial for lot of people. I believe that in near future, cactus will become much more popular.
It has MDMA-like empathy, which could be beneficial for most of modern people.

Honestly to me I see it as an incredibly unique psychedelic. Im a bit of a psychopharm nerd, and it has a really low affinity for other serotonin receptors besides the good ol' 5HT2-A receptor, which is probably why its a bit less chaotic mentally than psilocybin.

But beyond that, its dopaminergic and noradrenergic receptor (weak to moderate) affinity is fascinating. On paper it absolutely looks like the best of both worlds, and probably a lot gentler than both MDMA (which I believe is basically just a phenethylamine crammed together with methamphetamine) and psilocybin. It should have a pretty good amount of salience.

According to the literature on 5HT2-A agonists and neuroplasticity, it should still trigger mTOR signaling and BDNF increases in the brain like any other 5HT2-A agonist fairly reliably. I see a future for mescaline in psychedelic assisted therapies that involve groups, trauma, or folks with super high anxiety/neuroticism. Im curious to see if it obliterates my default mode network like psilocybin or LSD does.

This extraction has made me fully and completely realize why it isnt available anywhere my goodness! So much work for, probably, one dose. And NO guarantees that your work will even yield that due to cactus potency variability.

But its been a fun project that I have to admit, I kind of miss already. Nursing the tea through so many boils and reducing the resin carefully was super fun in the end.

 

[blig-blug]

It does have an aspect similar to MDMA, but it's much weaker and IMO not comparable. On the other hand, it's a psychedelic and MDMA isn't.

Makes sense that it's not as strong, because MDMA is a strong serotonin releaser and mescaline isn't. On the other hand, that makes mescaline safer and possible to dose more often without neurotoxicity.

I'm also quite impressed with mescaline, which I've tried recently for the first time. I wonder how it would be if combined with MDMA, timed so that the come-up starts as MDMA begins to fade. In a similar way as it's done with 2C-B. IMO mescaline is superior to 2C-B in almost every way, they are not even in the same league.

I don't have a specific point here, just some thoughts

 

[neurobloom]

Francly i noticed no difference between IPA resin and DCM acid base extract..

Nothing alcohol resin can offer that a wide spectrum solvent in an acid base cannot provide. Alcohol resin only adds nausea.

 

[Jamie01]

Peyote has more of the mdma like empathic quality in my experience compared to trichocereus. I have not tried every trick out there however and overall peyote is still mostly a mescaline trip. It does contain a lot of other phens however. It also seemed more visual than most trichs.

 

[SkunK]

I would definitely be interested in hearing your Cacti Resin preparation, And trip report.

I have a nice cutting I will be prepping for a journey and would like the full spectrum experience. Not too keen on tea as it usually makes me violently nauseous and I hear the resin doesn't leave a heavy body load on the guts.

I have been reading up on this tek on the forums and its probably pretty close to your methods I'd assume

Thread 'Resin. The way to go.'

Oct 26, 2009

Did you know you can evaporate your filtered san pedro tea (ie: oven@150F or food dehydrator) to yield a resin that is easily scraped up with your fingers and rolled into capsules? (It has a Taffy-like consistency)

This resin is far superior to pure extracted mescaline.

There's so much more to it...you gotta see for yourself.

This is golden, glowing, soul food.

You can get far more out of your cacti this way.
Just simply simmer or crock pot your pedro chunks (sliced like food) with lemon juice for as long as you want.

What my friend does is simmer the pot for 5 hours, the freezes it...

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[Jamie01]

Once I made balls with cacti resin and flour and ate them at a music festival. It was a long night of intestinal distress. Worse than a tea. I’m certainly not a good example of a normal gut but I never felt cacti resin to be as clean as an actual extract.

Mescaline is just about the best psychedelic when I get it right but it sucks how those teas etc effect my guts.