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LeRenard

LeRenard

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Hello,

I'm about to begin my first MHRB extraction and have some questions for you fellow trippers.

1. I would prefer not heating the acid soaks. Is 7% acetic (pH 3, I think) strong enough ? And if so, how many hours should I let it soak (at room temp) ?

2. I got access to NaHSO4. Would this work, instead of vinegar ? I could get my pH 2 right and avoid heating. I have heard of extractions made with muratic or chloridric acid, but never with sulfuric acid.

3. I would use heptane (bestine) as a NP solvant. Is there anything different between using naphta and heptane (quantity, methods, etc.) ?

4. Is it true that ammonia used for washing spice (if necessary) can be put back in acid water and re-extracted ?

5. Is there any alternative to lye for basifying ? I want my spice to be as clean and smooth as possible.

6. When heating solvent in sealed mason jar, would the pressure get too high and make it pop ? How much solvent can I heat at once this way ?

Thanks in advance,

Le Renard
 
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As for "why would there be aldehydes" lol. Of course there will be aldehydes present. You are talking about nature. Ever hear of carbohydrates? Aldoses come from plants and guess what - those have carbonyl functionality that can invoke pictet rxns.
 
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burnt said:
yea its all good.

what i ment by inert solvents is their less likely to react with your alkaloids like chloroform could for example.

im not sure what you mean about losing spice with hexane pullin in STB though. its unclear to me what your saying. i am drunk now though not just stoned ahahahahahahahaha but yea what you mean??


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you lose spice if do not pull enough. I'm drunk too right now. lol
there are recrystallization teks cleaner than others. and i'm pro-a/b, no offense whatsoever, these have proven more effective and clean to me.
I'm not familiar with aldehydes. Seems not so importamt to me.
 
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rdwood is right about the aldehyde groups. my only argument would be that the conditions in such an extract mixed solution may not be as favorable towards the reaction as during a synthetic reaction where strong acids and heat are being used. however i believe over time or under stronger conditions its certainly feasable. although ill admit my reaction mechanism knowledge is not up to date.

and recrystallization is a wonderful clean up method. i work as natural product chemist and do chromatography all the time, we are lucky to have such an easy method to extract dmt. 😉
 
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sodium hypochlorite is bleach dont fuck that with shit. i should add that if you mix acid with bleach you make chlorine gas which is deadly and if you mix ammonia with bleach you make chloroamines which are also deadly.

get HCl, acetic acid, other acids could work fine too but these 2 are usually the easiest to find in stores.

also A/B and STB you can get the same yield if you do both methods correctly. it really is a personal preference due to time and chemical consumption. if your having so much trouble finding the acid why not just to STB? you can heat your acid bath to make DMT extraction faster from the bark which may open up the possibility for degedation and reactions to occur however thats why you dont reflux your extract you just gently heat it.
 
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I know you can get the same yield with STB, but I prefer A/B and won't change my mind. I'll get muratic acid instead, probably. Actually I'm having a hard time finding lye.
 
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That's odd... What about potassium hydroxide (KOH)? They might not be able to ship that either, though... I suppose if that doesn't pan out, you certainly ought to be able to get calcium hydroxide (aka edible lime, slaked lime). It can get the pH up to 12, which ought to be fine for an A/B extraction, I would think.
 
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Entropymancer said:
That's odd... What about potassium hydroxide (KOH)? They might not be able to ship that either, though... I suppose if that doesn't pan out, you certainly ought to be able to get calcium hydroxide (aka edible lime, slaked lime). It can get the pH up to 12, which ought to be fine for an A/B extraction, I would think.
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Mmmh. Wouldn't that require much more base and liquid ? That would complicate things for me, and possibly produce unwanted reactions, as there is no litterature on such methods to my knowledge. I don't argue for KOH, which is also a strong base, but as you say, it is equally unstable and dangerous, it would probably be as hard if not harder to find. But I'll try. Maybe I can get KOH or equivalent pH up in a hydroponic shop ; and I'll try finding HCl in other pool shops.
 
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I went to my local hydroponics shop and bought pH up (KOH) and pH down (phsophoric acid). I also bought camping fuel (naphta). I'm not sure if it is perfectly clean ; "Smokeless when burned".
 
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no gummy residue ! I only evaporated 1 ml though. Didn't even think of checking their website. Why don't they write it clearly on the can ?

SWIM is about to begin his extraction. Waiting for the pH meter. More pics soon.
 
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As I needed more liquid than I expected and my pH- was weaker than I thought, I also had to use vinegar, and cook. 1. Phosphoric Acid @ pH ~2.5, 45 min / 2. Acetic Acid @ pH 3, 45 min. Combined liquids and filtered through pillowcase. Used less than a litre vinegar, 1l H3PO4 and ~2l distilled water. Final filtered liquid is less than 2 liters.
 
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Even after filtering you may be surprised at what will decant at the bottom. Throw the solution in the fridge overnight. Carefully pour off the liquid in the morning, and quite a lot of sludge may stay behind..

Also, feel free to reduce the solution down with low heat. 2l can be a lot of liquid to handle.
 
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I filtered through a proper pillowcase. There was not much sludge, maybe some fine powdered pulp ; MHRB wine is pretty clean compared to acacia. My naphta pulls have been in the freezer for 6 hours now. Looks yummy.
 
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Another base option would be Calcium Hydroxide. This can be found at fish stores as an additive to coral reef aquariums. I believe this has a high enough pH to basify and is pretty cheap.

Phosphoric acid can be found at beer making supply shops. Search for one in Canada that will ship to you. Another place that has it online is beer beer and more beer.
 
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