Freedom

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Hey guys!

I have been thinking a lot about the idea of freedom. I want to share a few thoughts of freedom, and I really want to hear your thoughts on the subject. Everyone has their own personal meaning, so maybe I can learn from you, and maybe you can learn from me.

For me, there are two types of freedoms - public and personal.

My favorite, of course, is personal freedom - The freedom I have when no one else is around. I make the rules, I break the rules, I change the rules, I am the rules. I keep the molecule(other than this forum) primarily within the realms of personal freedom. I have a few friends that I talk about it with, but other than that, I like it to be a ghost. If it only exists in my personal freedom, I have less chance of my freedoms being taken away.

IMO, public freedoms are the guidelines that we follow when we enter and interact with society. 'Most' of them are there for a pretty good reason. We don't always have to play by the rules(although it is a wise idea), and when we don't, the end result is OUR fault. We often get angry and blame others for instances when we take things, that should be considered a personal freedom, and bring it into the public realm.

I try to keep both worlds separate, but use the knowledge that comes from each to interact with each other. I.e. if my friend is having a problem, I may take some personal time to meditate, reflect, and consider different perspectives. I try to put myself in my friend's point of view and think of positive solutions to help them with their problem. I also use some of the ideas and apply to school, work, and other relationships. Instinct says that I should give them some of the molecule and let them figure it out for themselves, but I remember that can increase the risk of my freedoms being removed. Because of this, I tend shy away from any thoughts or ideas of even GIVING it away - even though I think it should be shared. Selling seems completely forbidden! The Universe would not be happy with me if I ever thought of doing that. I guess it is a healthy fear? Is any fear healthy?

A lot of this thinking comes from reading about all the busts that have been happening. It's not uncommon, really. The more exposed something gets, the more likely we are to hear about people losing their freedoms as a result. Just makes me want to be very conscious about what I say to people.

What do you guys think? Opinions?

Much love

 

[۩]

DMT is one of those things that needs to be talked about more and with accuracy. Choose who you discuss with wisely and never mention extraction.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Extraction? What's that word mean????

I certainly WANT to talk about it. I guess the greatest challenge is figuring out the best method of translation. For most, the language that we know doesn't really put DMT into tangible form. I can't translate it very easily... I've tried, and it just comes across as some creative/silly mind babbling on about nonsense that he may or may not have seen or experienced. I know what I'm talking about, and you know what I'm talking about, but I don't know if they know, ya know? How do we go about integrating these lessons into our lives, without drawing negative attention? For most folks, if they don't understand something, a lot of times they fear it.



Time for more reflection and meditation.

 

[۩]

There are appropriate and inappropriate times to discuss it. There are politics involved. Maybe just wait for others to bring up psychedelics or other altered states of consciousness and go from there. Or if people are talking about hormones or neurotransmitters like melatonin or serotonin. Easy to branch from there as well.
Some people are just not ready for the notion of the spice. I always bring up its endogenous and abundant nature first so people realize its not just a random drug. Show them The Spirit Molecule, or the DMT-Nexus, or the way DMT is structurally similar to serotonin and psilocin. Just some ideas.

There are other ways to express yourself. I know it's frustrating living in a world where basically no one has any idea that this is happening. When conversation or psychedelic social interaction lacks start funneling your focus into something creative otherwise you're bound to go a little crazy. The goal here is to bring what hyperspace is showing you back into this reality. In every moment. It may not make sense now but it does more so over time. People will notice this even if you don't say anything about it.

Integration is a personal journey. It takes a lot of time, meditation, and experimentation. I was asking that same question a few years ago myself. It doesn't really need to draw any negative attention at all if you ask me.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Well, I am certainly thankful to have folks like you around. It's really nice to know that we do have a place where we can discuss the nature of these things. Over the past year, I have gone through many changes, very quickly. Both, Physically and mentally.

I apologize if these sorts of topics have been brought up in the past. I imagine it's not the first or the last time that people will talk about these sorts of things.

 

[۩]

You don't need to apologize I completely empathize with how you feel as I'm sure many others do as well.
By posting we are expressing ourselves and we are all helping each other integrate together.

Freedom is a funny and valuable thing.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I certainly agree about freedom being valuable and funny.

I need to post my feelings, observations, and thoughts on this site more often. I haven't said a whole lot, recently. Maybe I've been overly timid of criticism.

 

[pitubo]

I feel freedom as an absolute is overrated and mostly an illusion cherished by the ego.

If the subject of this thread was rephrased as "lack of imposed restrictions", it would make more sense to me as a basis for a constructive analytical discussion. Obviously, restrictions imposed by physics are mostly to be taken for granted and the study and discussion of these are in general not very relevant to this forum.

Restrictions imposed by society are a different matter. These correlate strongly to culturally influenced worldviews, which in turn can be perturbed, confused or even uprooted by experiences outside of the mainstream consensus. Culture is defended against such threats by imposing taboos. These taboos are in turn mystified and rationalized, for if one were to look at them too closely, the original threats also become visible, defeating the purpose of the taboo. These twists and indirections make discussing taboos and their underlying phenomena difficult.

To break the topic of hallucinogens, I like to tell people that the most powerful hallucinogens are in fact suggestion and culture, where culture is itself a coordinated system of suggestions and assumptions. I find that there is little use in discussing mind altering substances with people who are already troubled or offended by the above statement. If instead they are curious, I like to tell them that LSD doesn't really cause people to hallucinate very much, it mostly allows them to see that they were already hallucinating before they took the LSD.

Timothy Leary, whatever one may think of him, at least got this quite right:

LSD is a substance that may cause psychotic reactions in those who have not taken it.​

 

[Global]

I certainly agree about freedom being valuable and funny.

George Carlin - You Have No Rights

Freedoms

 

[thymamai]

I have a few friends that I talk about it with, but other than that, I like it to be a ghost. If it only exists in my personal freedom, I have less chance of my freedoms being taken away.


IMO, public freedoms are the guidelines that we follow when we enter and interact with society. 'Most' of them are there for a pretty good reason. We don't always have to play by the rules(although it is a wise idea), and when we don't, the end result is OUR fault. We often get angry and blame others for instances when we take things, that should be considered a personal freedom, and bring it into the public realm.

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I try to keep both worlds separate, but use the knowledge that comes from each to interact with each other.

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The more exposed something gets, the more likely we are to hear about people losing their freedoms as a result. Just makes me want to be very conscious about what I say to people.

What you put is excellent.

 

[○]

Extraction? What's that word mean????

I certainly WANT to talk about it. I guess the greatest challenge is figuring out the best method of translation. For most, the language that we know doesn't really put DMT into tangible form. I can't translate it very easily... I've tried, and it just comes across as some creative/silly mind babbling on about nonsense that he may or may not have seen or experienced. I know what I'm talking about, and you know what I'm talking about, but I don't know if they know, ya know? How do we go about integrating these lessons into our lives, without drawing negative attention? For most folks, if they don't understand something, a lot of times they fear it.



Time for more reflection and meditation.

After 5+ years of smoking and eating DMT and turning a few select few people onto the experience i have come to the conclusion that there is no conclusion, nothing to divi down and box up. This experience clearly transcends the whole language factor. Any thought, idea or feeling.. they just dissolve away. Describing this experience is near impossible.

Anymore, coming out of the experience i just smile, thank that deep part of myself/the universe for what transpired and relax into the afterglow, 'no mind'.

How do we integrate something that isnt bound by our constructs and transcends this everyday experience? I find just by placing myself in situations, where, everything just drops away - the outside world.. except for the experience being had, preferably something that i love/immensely enjoy doing. Its no longer me experiencing whatever it is im doing in that moment, no longer subject and object... just 'experience'. During these times of immense joy i feel strong nostalgia, the feeling of 'coming full circle' then being flooded by concrete visions, snippets of hyperspace, i literally FEEL hyperspace. I feel, just by doing what i love, feeling these feelings and having others potentially see this fluidity that seeps over into my life, they themselves then become curious, even potentially happier from just being around me.

'Lead by example' as they say. This i feel is how you describe something ineffable and bring it over into the world for people to see. Being that transdimensional beacon for he world is all thats needed, i feel, no need to wax poetics or ramble on n on to people about it. No words... purely action.

Be that which you are part and parcel of - Hyperspace.

hope this post was clear. best of vibes to you. om shanti shanti

 

[zhoro]

Extraction? What's that word mean????

I certainly WANT to talk about it. I guess the greatest challenge is figuring out the best method of translation. For most, the language that we know doesn't really put DMT into tangible form. I can't translate it very easily... I've tried, and it just comes across as some creative/silly mind babbling on about nonsense that he may or may not have seen or experienced. I know what I'm talking about, and you know what I'm talking about, but I don't know if they know, ya know? How do we go about integrating these lessons into our lives, without drawing negative attention? For most folks, if they don't understand something, a lot of times they fear it.



Time for more reflection and meditation.

After 5+ years of smoking and eating DMT and turning a few select few people onto the experience i have come to the conclusion that there is no conclusion, nothing to divi down and box up. This experience clearly transcends the whole language factor. Any thought, idea or feeling.. they just dissolve away. Describing this experience is near impossible.

Anymore, coming out of the experience i just smile, thank that deep part of myself/the universe for what transpired and relax into the afterglow, 'no mind'.

How do we integrate something that isnt bound by our constructs and transcends this everyday experience? I find just by placing myself in situations, where, everything just drops away - the outside world.. except for the experience being had, preferably something that i love/immensely enjoy doing. Its no longer me experiencing whatever it is im doing in that moment, no longer subject and object... just 'experience'. During these times of immense joy i feel strong nostalgia, the feeling of 'coming full circle' then being flooded by concrete visions, snippets of hyperspace, i literally FEEL hyperspace. I feel, just by doing what i love, feeling these feelings and having others potentially see this fluidity that seeps over into my life, they themselves then become curious, even potentially happier from just being around me.

'Lead by example' as they say. This i feel is how you describe something ineffable and bring it over into the world for people to see. Being that transdimensional beacon for he world is all thats needed, i feel, no need to wax poetics or ramble on n on to people about it. No words... purely action.

Be that which you are part and parcel of - Hyperspace.

hope this post was clear. best of vibes to you. om shanti shanti

A few quotes from Ramana Maharshi on silence (pure being) as the means of true freedom and the most powerful force of influence at the same time.

"What exists in Truth is the Self alone. The Self is that where there is absolutely no 'I'-thought. That is called silence [mauna]. The Self itself is the world; the Self itself is 'I'; the Self itself is God.

By silence, eloquence is meant. It is the best language.

The thought-free experience of the Self is silence.

The experience of silence is alone the real and perfect knowledge.

That which is, is silence. How can silence be explained in words?

Silence, which shines alone as consciousness of being, possesses the glory of being the highest and most potent tapas [spiritual effort].

Silence – which is not only the means to liberation but also that which abides as the very nature of liberation itself – has a matchless magnificence.

The Supreme Reality that is liberation is experienced only by perfect silence. Indulging in thoughts drives it away.

To attain liberation, the door to which is silence, the ego that rises as a separate 'I' should be completely destroyed.

Silence is the best and most potent initiation. That was practised by Dakshinamurti. Initiation by touch, look, etc. are all of a lower order. Silent initiation changes the Heart of all.

Silence of a realised being is most powerful. He sends out waves of spiritual influence which draw many people towards him. Yet he may sit in a cave and maintain complete silence. He never needs to go out among the public. If necessary he can use others as his instrument.

Silence is ever-speaking. It is the perennial flow of language which is interrupted by speaking. These words which I am speaking obstruct that mute language. For example there is electricity flowing in a wire. With resistance to its passage, it glows as a lamp or revolves as a fan. In the wire it remains as electrical energy. Similarly, silence is the flow of language obstructed by words.

When one remains without thinking, one understands another by means of the universal language of silence. What one fails to know by conversation extending to several years can be known instantly through silence. Dakshinamurti is a good example of this. This is the highest and most effective language.

Silence is the most potent form of work. However vast and emphatic the scriptures may be, they fail in their effect. The Guru is quiet and peace prevails in all. His silence is more vast and emphatic than all the scriptures put together.

Silence does not mean negation of activity or stagnant inertness. It is not a mere negation of thoughts but something more positive than you can imagine.

The one Self, the sole Reality, alone exist eternally. When even the ancient Master, Dakshinamurti, revealed It only through speechless eloquence, who else could convey it by speech or with words?

The silence of the Self is ever there. As long as you run with the running mind you cannot have it. It is a Supreme peace, immutable like a rock, that supports all your activities, in fact, all movements. It is in this silence that God and the liberated souls are rooted.

True realisation is to cherish with one's understanding, without any obstruction, the first cause of all that is, that silence which is liberation.

The perfect silence in which the ego, the root, has been destroyed is the true nature, which will never be vanquished.

Only silence, which is the end point of jnana [the direct knowledge of the Reality that is the Self], is that true vision which is the profound truth of Vedanta.

A mind that has experienced the light of silence will not readily accept the conceptual drama, consisting of the trinities, that appears in the other light [chidabhasa].

That bliss that grows in the field of silence is not attained and experienced in any other field.

Those who have seen the light of silence are without any attachment to the world, which is an infatuating snare that rises from the "I am the doer" idea, the feeling that there is a person who is performing the actions that the body engages in.

In order to attain the Supreme state of silence, that which is worthy of attainment by seekers of Truth is the loss of individuality.

You should know that the Supreme state of liberation exists only in a mind who has attained the state of silence and nowhere else.

The concept-free experience of the vast emptiness of silence will rise, putting an end to the delusion of the ego, the deceiving fixation.

The direct experience of the Self, silence, is the axis of everything. This is the summit, the highest good.

Those who have sunk deeply into the ocean of silence and drowned will live on the summit of the Supreme mountain, the expanse of consciousness.

From silence came thought, from thought, the ego, and from ego, speech. So if speech is effective, how much more so must be its source?

Remaining quiet is what is called wisdom-insight. To remain quiet is to resolve the mind in the Self.

Subjugation of the mind is meditation; deep meditation is Eternal speech. Silence is ever-speaking; it's the perennial flow of 'language'. It is interrupted by speaking; for words obstruct this mute 'language'.

Silence is permanent and benefits the whole of humanity.

Oral lectures are not so eloquent as silence. Silence is unceasing eloquence. It is the best language.

Which is the better, to preach loudly without effect or to sit silently sending out inner force?

Since the silence of Self, which shines through the pure mind [the pure existence-consciousness which is devoid of all thoughts], alone turns out to be the gateway to liberation, even though they proceed along any path which is agreeable to them, that gate alone is the final refuge.

Attending unceasingly and with a fully concentrated mind to Self, which is the non-dual perfect Reality, alone is the pure Supreme silence; on the other hand, the mere unthinking laziness of the dull mind is nothing but a defective delusion. Know thus.

Only those who have known their reality to be Shiva [the Self], are those who are soaked in the perfect and natural state of silence. Therefore having removed the 'I'-sense in anything other than Shiva [that is, having given up one's identification with all adjuncts such as the body], abide without action in Shiva.

When the pure gracious Supreme reveals the nature of Self, he who was in the dark room of ignorance will merge in the silence of Self-abidance, drowning in God-knowledge or existence-consciousness, which is the beauty of the Reality.

The life of Self – the true knowledge which shines forth devoid of the ego-sense due to the drowning of the ego in its source when the madness of desire for the petty, illusory and delusive sense-objects has been completely destroyed – alone is That which can truly satisfy the mind."

 

[thymamai]

^ very good. Very appropriate. Thanks for that.