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Fumaric Acid Question
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For those of you who have the same question, I am assuming the dmt fumarate doesn't percipitate out because it has a higher water solubility then freebase.
I'm going to try to just boil it with fumaric acid and see If I can boil down the fumarate and evaporate the water.
Will this work?
Theoretically, the fumaric acid will bind to the DMT and stay in the water solution. Once filtered and reduced, I should be left with a bit of contaminants, water, and dmt fumarate, remove the water and I should have dmt fumarate mixed with fats and other particles.
This method should yield a more traditional ayahuasca feel if it works, since I don't think that freebasing captures all the alkaloids in the plant.
Thoughts?
I'm going to try to just boil it with fumaric acid and see If I can boil down the fumarate and evaporate the water.
Will this work?
Theoretically, the fumaric acid will bind to the DMT and stay in the water solution. Once filtered and reduced, I should be left with a bit of contaminants, water, and dmt fumarate, remove the water and I should have dmt fumarate mixed with fats and other particles.
This method should yield a more traditional ayahuasca feel if it works, since I don't think that freebasing captures all the alkaloids in the plant.
Thoughts?
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Wait, what's your goal here? Are you making a brew or going for an extraction of DMT?
DMT fumurate is highly soluble in water, its a salt.
I haven't seen anything about using fumaric acid for acid boils, novel idea.
Is acacia confusa a traditional ayahuasca plant?
If you're going for traditional, I'd look around for other plants.
If you're doing an extraction and going for broad-spectrum DMT, do pulls with xylene, toulene, d-limonene.
DMT fumurate is highly soluble in water, its a salt.
I haven't seen anything about using fumaric acid for acid boils, novel idea.
Is acacia confusa a traditional ayahuasca plant?
If you're going for traditional, I'd look around for other plants.
If you're doing an extraction and going for broad-spectrum DMT, do pulls with xylene, toulene, d-limonene.
It's one of the plants used in ayahuasca, hundreds of different plants are used to heal people so there's no one source of aya. I also don't want to extract with several solvents and I'm looking for something that I can do in an evening. I'm going for an extraction to capsule the dmt fumarate/other alks/fats.
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Ayahuasca is a brew containing banisteriopsis caapi and in some cases some admixture, usually psychotria viridis or diplopterys cabrerana. Acacia confusa does not exist in the amazon and was never used traditionally there, so calling it `ayahuasca` is confusing,. It would sort of be like calling beer `wine` because `wine is a fermented drink and people use it and so is beer fermented`. To avoid confusion we usually say "ayahuasca analogue" or something to the sort.
(not to nitpick, and definitely not to say this admixture is any less valid than the traditional ones, but I just think we should avoid confusing use of traditional terms)
As for making some kind of resin out of acacia confusa and trying to put it in capsules, it might work, but im not sure how dry you will be able to get it, it might stay more gooey which would be harder to manage. You could try with a small amount as a test and see how it goes (and let us know!)
Just make sure that once you have it in smaller amount of liquid, that you dont use any fire but only soft heat like under 100c, maybe a double boiler or something of the sort, to prevent any damage to the alkaloids or to other substances inside which could make it less active or more nasty on the stomach.
Did you already consume acacia confusa brew in any way? If so, at what dosage? Also what MAOI are you considering taking together with that, and in what dosage?
(not to nitpick, and definitely not to say this admixture is any less valid than the traditional ones, but I just think we should avoid confusing use of traditional terms)
As for making some kind of resin out of acacia confusa and trying to put it in capsules, it might work, but im not sure how dry you will be able to get it, it might stay more gooey which would be harder to manage. You could try with a small amount as a test and see how it goes (and let us know!)
Just make sure that once you have it in smaller amount of liquid, that you dont use any fire but only soft heat like under 100c, maybe a double boiler or something of the sort, to prevent any damage to the alkaloids or to other substances inside which could make it less active or more nasty on the stomach.
Did you already consume acacia confusa brew in any way? If so, at what dosage? Also what MAOI are you considering taking together with that, and in what dosage?
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EDIT: endlessness' answer is waaaay better 
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Do not do this. When you reduce the brew the excess fumaric acid will got more and more concentrated making for a highly acidic end result that can damage your stomach.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Kind regards,
The Traveler
- Merits
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Depend on the amount of fumaric acid though, since we can tolerate quite a significant amount of fumaric acid. Ingesting 500mg of fumaric acid for example should be totally fine. I wouldnt ingest several grams of fumaric acid though.
You could even try doing this without adding any acid at all, since the plant is acidic naturally which means the alkaloids will already be in salt form even if you dont add any extra acid.
You could even try doing this without adding any acid at all, since the plant is acidic naturally which means the alkaloids will already be in salt form even if you dont add any extra acid.
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Naphtha will pull a "narrower band" of DMT.
From what I understand, Xylene, toulene, or d-limonene will pull broader spectrum.
From what I understand, Xylene, toulene, or d-limonene will pull broader spectrum.
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