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WEM

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My girlfriend has been wanting to trip for quite some time now, but she appears to have a preexisting tolerance. She has tried to trip on LSD 3 times now (first 1 tab, than 2, than 3), each time giving at least 2-3 weeks between attempts, however the only effects that she has currently felt is her body would 'feel funny', and her vision becomes more focused and things appear brighter, no OEV, no CEV. Her second attempt to trip about 4 hours in she decided to smoke some weed, that was the only time that she actually felt like she was tripping (her vision was a fun kind of 'wobbly'), but the effects didn't last nearly as long as expected.

Anyone have any advice for my girlfriend? She has been wanting to have a quality psychedelic experience for some time now, currently I'm growing some magic mushies so she'll be able to try to trip with those (she's tried magic mushies before but it was long enough ago that she doesn't remember much of what happened). Perhaps she has a genetic tolerance to LSD/Mushrooms? Maybe there's another psychedelic that she would benefit from more positively?

And before anyone asks, the tabs were properly stored (wrapped in foil, double bagged in the freezer with silica packets), so the potency of the LSD that she has taken is not in question.
 
In my experience, LSD is fleeting. I've known a lot of people who seem to have trouble tripping on acid. My boss, for example, seems to have a natural tolerance to it(and other things). My best friend has a natural tolerance to the NBOMe series(which I just find so very strange). Some people seem to have that problem. I don't really have any scientific explanation for it. Just something I noticed, I guess.

However, I don't think I've ever really known anyone to be tolerant to psilocybin. My best friend can trip just fine on it. I don't know about my boss, she hasn't tried it. She may have better luck with mushrooms. You'll just have to experiment.
 
innate lsd tolerance... crazy. Never heard of it, but hey, it sure sounds like it.

yeah, so try mushrooms - ones you've tested before so you know how much will have at least some effect or try mixing lsd or psilocybin with harmala alkaloids. That can intensify things quite a bit so be careful with the doses.

good luck
 
۩ said:
My advice would be eat a milligram of LSD and then drink some ayahuasca followed by changa bongs.
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۩ I know you're only joshing...but what if someone was gullible enough to do that?
Would you want the resultant mess on your conscience?
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Harm reduction is the goal no?
 
WEM said:
however the only effects that she has currently felt is her body would 'feel funny', and her vision becomes more focused and things appear brighter, no OEV, no CEV. Her second attempt to trip about 4 hours in she decided to smoke some weed, that was the only time that she actually felt like she was tripping (her vision was a fun kind of 'wobbly'), but the effects didn't last nearly as long as expected.
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that is pretty normal , LSD has never given me any much visual effects except the first 2 times i tried it and have always consumed much cannabis with LSD , to get me some effects

LSD at best and at good doseages has only given me a kickass MindF$#~ , if you want some visual display you have to smoke a lot of cannabis ,it also increases the MindF$#~ and adds depth to the whole experience

Ayahuasca even in lower doseages gives more visuals than LSD , LSD for me only seems to give me a very clean awake feeling , the kinda awakeness that cannot be replicated with other entheogens , a feeling of magnification , to get good visual effects from LSD one needs good cannabis , 3 tabs of only LSD is a weaker experience compared to 1.5 tabs + endless amount of cannabis , usually without cannabis LSD seems pretty mild

DMT is the most visually oriented entheogen i've tried , if seeking visuals smoke DMT ,

if you're heading to a party or just wanna chill get some LSD and large amounts of cannabis , LSD is perhaps the best Nootropic if done without cannabis , also good for hiking in the jungles or any other such activities

smoke cannabis on LSD and truly the visual effects will come into full force , thats the only way i ever do it , keep smoking large amounts of cannabis to increase LSD effects , if it just getting too much , drinking alchol can have the opposite effect usually making the visuals fade away and calms the person down , alcohol makes LSD trip very comfortable for those freaking out ,
 
I have to disagree with Jin’s post. In my experience LSD is an extremely visual substance, no buds required. The LSD experience is also far more than just the visual effects. One shouldn’t have to smoke buds to kick in the trip…..if that’s the case then the dose wasn’t high enough. I have to echo Tranquil’s question about the meds, because they can play a huge role in the effects experienced under the influence of psychedelics. Though no one ever wants to hear this, I also question the potency. One of the problems with LSD is that unless you or a close friend laid the crystal to the blotter yourselves, you really have no way of knowing how much LSD is on those hits. At one point I was in such a position, and I still hear things from little birdies….the fact is that a whole of people are laying their doses really weak nowadays. I’m talking 50mics or less per dose, and that’s not taking the crystal purity into account. It’s not right, I’m highly opposed to that, but I’m no longer in a position to be able to do anything about it. It’s just the way it is unfortunately. Also, some folks think they can lay blotter from vials. That doesn’t work cause it’s the wrong concentration. It’ll come out weak & splotchy. That’s another culprit for weak doses.

Let me bring this home to the point; some people have a naturally higher tolerance to psychedelics. I’m one of those people. I’ve seen/heard many folks rave about these weak doses, cause even at say 40-50mics per, 2 hits is enough to get them off. With a natural tolerance it’s not. So that could explain why you may trip hard off 3 hits, but your girlfriend doesn’t. Even with a natural tolerance I find it hard to believe that someone could take 300 mics & barely feel it. That’s a lot….more than most folks realize. It was not uncommon for me to take 3milligrams (3000mics) when I was younger (I’m not recommending this, or trying to make it sound cool……….I’m merely saying this for reference) & let me tell you, 300mics today is still enough to send me on a wild trip. In fact at this point in my life I feel that less is more. It’s far more likely that with 3 hits she’s taken 150mics or less….unless of course she’s on certain meds, which would easily dull the trip.

I’m hesitant to recommend upping the dosage of these tabs. Seeing as there’s no way of knowing the dosage of your tabs, my advice would be to experiment with a psychedelic dosage that you can control. Grow some mushies, or some cacti, extract some DMT. That way you can be sure. You can assess her tolerance that way as well, however there can be differences from substance to substance. For example, I have a natural tolerance to LSD, but I’m sensitive to psilocybin & psilocin. If she were to up her dosage of the blotter, maybe have her take 4. There’s a thin line between a dose of LSD that isn’t enough for a full trip, and a dose that is. It’s far better to slowly work your way up to that dose then it is to just pile it on & hope for the best.


Good luck.
 
Yeah, LSD has a very visual component to it. Tracers, 'breathing walls' and similar distortions of the visual field, increased visual acuity and enhanced perception of colors, synesthesia, OEV and CEV imagery. I know everyone is different in how things effect them, but I also think maybe these days people just don't know what a full on trip is because doses are so much lower. 3 or 400 mics is definitely going to have some strong visual effects for most people.

Also, I think mixing alcohol with acid during the onset and the peak is a bad idea. The drugs seem so counter to each other. The vibe of alcohol always disturbed me while tripping, being around drunks was just terrible. I could literally see bad energy emanating from them at times. After the peak it can be a nice way to mellow out I suppose, but mixing all of that loss of social inhibitions, slurred connection to the body and just plain bad judgement with a good strong trip has never seemed like a good idea to me.

Always loved the synergy of MJ and acid though.
 
That sounds pretty similar to how those dosages affect me. I regularly tattoo on 200ug... Just enough to get an altered sense of what I'm doing. When I did a lot of my deeper work on LSD it was in the 800-1200ug range. Definitely way more than just a visual component- sometimes the visuals are the less interesting aspect.

If you have any spice around, get her up on 200-300ug of acid, then 2-3 hours in, load up 10-15mg and let her smoke it. That should kickstart things- acid and DMT go extremely well together. As far as higher doses of acid go, if she chooses to keep ramping up, have her do it incrementally. She may find that the difference between 4-5 tabs is a universe of difference.


...and the House plan would not fail. But my advice would be to get there incrementally.
 
۩ said:
My advice would be eat a milligram of LSD and then drink some ayahuasca followed by changa bongs.
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For a newby? A milligram of LSD would quite likely be a nightmare, possibly a psychotic breakdown from which they might not recover. Not to mention throwing the other substances in on top of it all.

Very bad advice.
 
Tranquil said:
Is you girlfriend on any daily medication like SSRI's or MAOI's?
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She was for her first attempt, but she had discontinued her SSRI meds a few weeks before her second attempt, and it had been months since her last SSRI dose with her last trip attempt, could her meds still have an effect even months later?

Dark_Star said:
Though no one ever wants to hear this, I also question the potency. One of the problems with LSD is that unless you or a close friend laid the crystal to the blotter yourselves, you really have no way of knowing how much LSD is on those hits. At one point I was in such a position, and I still hear things from little birdies….the fact is that a whole of people are laying their doses really weak nowadays.
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It is in fact a close friend of mine who laid the crystal to the blotter, and I trust them to give me normal doses, plus I tripped with her with tabs from the same sheet and when I was seeing tracers, breathing walls and the like, she had only seen things more "HD".

As for people's advice for her trying DMT, currently I'm waiting for the funds to afford a sustainable plant to extract from... hopefully I'll be getting my tax returns sooner than later, than we can both try the spice for the first time :thumb_up:

As for growing some cacti, I've been reading some of the reports on the cacti forum, but still not really sure the differences between varieties (San Pedro vs Mescalin, etc), so that'll wait until I'm more comfortable with my own knowledge of the plants

Any other advice/alternative psychedelics? Thanks for everyone's input!!
 
MAOIs can significantly potentiate both acid and shrooms. My experience is with shrooms preceded by 100mg rue extract in a capsule. Even low doses are very visual and positive this way. Never had any hangover or other nasty physical side effects (besides a few broken bones, but that was a high dose/no sitter situation, definitely not the fault of the substance). I'd start her at 1.5-2g shrooms preceded 15 min earlier by the rue.

I hear that rue works great with acid too, but I haven't personally tried it.

Definitely read up on MAOIs first, as there are things such as red wine that you must not combine with them.
 
I've seen it on occasion for a drug here or there, but never across the board for every psychedelic without it involving a prescription med.
 
Dark_Star said:
I have to disagree with Jin’s post. In my experience LSD is an extremely visual substance, no buds required. The LSD experience is also far more than just the visual effects. One shouldn’t have to smoke buds to kick in the trip…..if that’s the case then the dose wasn’t high enough.
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those are not real visuals they are only in the minds eye and thoughts amplified

spinCycle said:
Yeah, LSD has a very visual component to it. Tracers, 'breathing walls' and similar distortions of the visual field, increased visual acuity and enhanced perception of colors, synesthesia, OEV and CEV imagery. I know everyone is different in how things effect them, but I also think maybe these days people just don't know what a full on trip is because doses are so much lower. 3 or 400 mics is definitely going to have some strong visual effects for most people.
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i don't call breathing walls or tracers visuals actually , my definition of what visuals are , is exactly what happens on DMT , before smoking any DMT i used to think that LSD is causing visual effects however once DMT was in my brain my definition of what visuals are changed forever , even one needs to drink a lot of Aya to experience any true visuals distinct from the mental chatter amplification

the visuals on LSD are only a result of Mind Chatter Magnification and are relatively in the minds eye , on Aya they are more prominent yet still in the minds eye without cannabis Ayahuasca is still as visually mild as LSD , and on DMT visuals truly can be seen

also i've always danced , socialized on LSD never perhaps paying much attention to the visual effects , also i smoke cannabis regularly no matter what the entheogen i am on , it always helps to keep the doseage of the entheogen Low enough and still experience good effects ,

while drinking Mimohuasa one can keep the syrian rue amount within 2.5g and 2g mimosa and with endless amount of cannabis , one can save and maximize the utilization of resources available , rather than needing a few tabs of LSD one can just take 2 tabs and smoke a lot of cannabis to amplify this , cannabis is the perfect ally to have on your side to get maximum effects from longer acting Psychadelics

no doubt LSD and Ayahuasca are very strong psychadelics yet i am comparing them always in my mind to our beloved Spice so they somehow fall a lot short of true spectacular annhilating visually charged 4d visual Magnificience that is our beloved spirit molecule

edit: ofcourse there are many eating 6-8 tabs of acid and drinking 5g rue 12g of mimosa now on high doseages like that visuals are bound to happen with or without cannabis , know yourself know your body
 
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