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Good info on Yopo/Vilca & Ca+5-O-DMT

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Fatcat

Fatcat

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preceding the part mentioning Ca + 5-O-DMT it says that 'This section may contain original research or unverified claims.' so take it with a grain of salt.



It claims that Bufotenin N-Oxide does exist in the beans, but it refrences UNO, and i'm no researcher so i have no idea what that means.

Also that the natives let the seeds react with calcium hydroxide for days, but according to 69ron's information the bufo would degrade after that long.

and a bunch more on bufotenin
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Bufotenine

Bufotenine | C12H16N2O | CID 10257 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
calcium bufotenate might be exist durring the reaction..but I dont think a real bond is formed..I am not a chemist so I hope otheres here can say more about that..but from I have read calcium bufotenate as a single compound does not exist..if you were to extract it the calcium would be left behind and all that you would be left with is 5-O-DMT..it makes more sense that this is the actaul compound..the calcium just aids in the conversion..I think anyway..

About the natives letting it react for days with calcium hydroxide..they are not using PURE calcium hydroxide..they are using burned shells and wood ashes...perhaps pure calcium hydroxide can bring it to another stage that less pure calcium hydroxide is not able to do..

Personally I dont find freebase bufotenine to be all that different from psilocybin either..at least in terms of the visions..

Damnit I wish there was more conclusive info out there on bufotenine to study!
 
Fatcat said:
Also that the natives let the seeds react with calcium hydroxide for days, but according to 69ron's information the bufo would degrade after that long.
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That depends on the pH. If the pH is not high enough it would not degrade the bufotenine. From what I understand, the pH of the snuff is about 9.0. That’s not high enough to degrade the bufotenine, I think. You need higher than 11 to degrade it, according to SWIM's tests.
 
Fatcat said:
It claims that Bufotenin N-Oxide does exist in the beans, but it refrences UNO, and i'm no researcher so i have no idea what that means.
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This is also found by many others.

I personally believe bufotenine N-oxide is THE main toxin responsible for all the unpleasant effects of the seeds, and also for all the older tests where bufotenine’s hallucinogenic properties were debated. I believe often times, the inmates who were tested on were mistakenly injected with old bufotenine that became bufotenine N-oxide and that’s why some of the test subjects did not experience hallucinogenic effects, but instead just a bunch of toxic effects.

The stuff that SWIM separated from bufotenine seems to be mostly bufotenine N-oxide. It’s sort of brown and sticky, just like you would expect and it makes up roughly 20-50% of the alkaloid mix, which is about right for bufotenine N-oxide according to the tests I’ve seen. This stuff when smoked produces immediate nausea, tension, headache, a feeling of pressure, and then after about 3-4 minutes the effects subside. That’s about all it does. It’s very unpleasant. If it was injected I can’t imagine just how unpleasant it would be. I could definitely see it causing all the unpleasant symptoms reported by the test inmates.

SWIM has seen his pure white bufotenine go brown and sticky after a while. This is likely from oxidation. When smoked it causes the same unpleasant effects, so I think this is a good indication that bufotenine N-oxide is the toxin no one likes in the seeds.
 
fractal enchantment said:
so ron do you think that zinc could convert bufo N oxide back to bufotenine?..
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Yes, most likely. That’s a common procedure. And you should be able to make bufotenine N-oxide from bufotenine easily by using hydrogen peroxide.

Anyone willing to give it a go? If you mix two parts 30% hydrogen peroxide with 1 part IPA or alcohol and mix in some bufotenine, it should form bufotenine N-oxide after a while of mixing. Then you just evaporate everything to leave behind bufotenine N-oxide.
 
Is it suspicious at all to order powdered Zn online?

And could the Zn and the H202 be tested on fractal's IPA tek or would I have to do a xylene boil afterwards to get reliable results?

And could 5-O-DMT (or whatever it is) be achieved in ph's lower than 11 with calcium hydroxide, even if it did have to react for days? It would be worth waiting a few days, then taking the risk of destroying the material.

Could Calcium Oxide be used in 99% IPA to remove the hydrogen from bufotenin? (I know almost nothing about the chemistry going on, I just have access to Calcium Oxide)

Sorry about all the questions, I have only been able to try bufotenin once, and it was amazing.

I plan on doing a bunch of tests over the holidays (if my seeds get here soon enough) to see if I can get the reaction nailed down by testing all the variables I can think of (time, ph, temp, light, dilution, etc.) . I am very excited about this new chemical, it sounds like something special.
 
I have some questions as well about the bufo n-oxide reduction with zinc.

Would the zinc reduction have to be done in an acidic solution?

It would be much more conveniant if it could be done in a basic solution so it could be part of the technique.

I'd love to read some tests done with this. So if any of you people are holding out on some bufo and have some zinc laying around... Let us know!
 
Once My seeds come from FV, I can try this. Ill try to get a hold of some zinc this weekend.

Don't have any experience with Bufo though, so not sure how accurate my experimentation will be.
 
I have seeds / 99% IPA and zinc. I am planning on doing an extraction but honestly the I haven't worked with the zinc before. Are household filters (coffee,cotton) going to be good enough to do this safely?
 
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