''good vs evil''?

[Hyperspace Fool]

Again, I never said dangers arent real, I just interpret the dangers of DMT experience differently than you. I dont need to suppose hyperspace entities are objectively real or not, as I have expressed this several times, to take proper precautions and deal with it with an open holistic way. You say demonic possession exists, and this to me seems to put oneself in a victim and disempowering position and prevents one from learning about the encounters with the dark side.

You say: "demonic posessions exist objectively, demons can hurt your soul, etc , do this or that and you'll be saved from hell".

Saved from a hellish experience... and the advice to hang out with light beings does that in spades.

I don't know what precautions or open holistic way you are referring to. Your posts have only said, as you reiterate here, that people should learn about the encounters with the dark side. No practical advice that I can see.

Also, I find funny how you know what "the majority of cases" worked, as if you made a statistical analysis of it.

I have read tons and tons of trip reports all across the net. The amount of such reports where what I refer to is the case are so great, that no statistical analysis is needed to know that it is well over half.

I think maybe a good idea would be to check out gibran's thread about the 'improbability of hyperspace' again.

Somehow, I think you might need to check that thread again, as I have posted a dozen or more posts there, and the debate on that thread is by no means a settled affair. My opinions voiced over there hold true for this thread, so anyone who wants more background on this topic should have a field day.

Tell me where I said you are wrong ? I said I dont agree with your interpretation, that I find it disempowering, I have another opinion, but most of all my real problem is with how you present yourself as the savior while us all are only harming others. You say that you dont want to convince others but you keep writting with this attitude that if others are not convinced they are clearly wrong and doing harm.

Endlessness. Let's not play semantic games shall we. I am not on this thread telling you that you shouldn't post your opinions. It is you who is taking umbrage with my posts.

Whether or not you think I am wrong, you have repeatedly stated that you find my take on the situation disempowering and that you disagree with it. How the advice to stick to light beings is the least bit disempowering beats me. And, having a different opinion implies that you feel the other person's opinion is at least incomplete if not wrong.

It is possible to think that a different opinion could be right but still hold an opposing one for a variety of reasons I suppose, but if it was a simple case of this, you wouldn't bother coming back again and again to challenge me like this.

What is the harm in telling people to avoid entities that radiate malice? What is the harm in advising people to associate with light beings?

The harm is in presenting it as an absolute fact instead of your own personal view which may be wrong. The harm is in disempowering people who might not be having a problem with real entities but with their own selves. The harm is in the constant reinforcing of the idea that you're so experienced with everything and that others clearly dont know as much as you.

So now we are saying that by stating something we believe to be true from our experience as fact for ourselves without a suitable disclaimer is disempowering to people who are having personal issues? Really?

You can't 100% know that the material world is real, yet I don't demand that you make this clear in every post that rests upon this baseless assumption. Perhaps such a conjecture might disempower someone who is struggling with reality issues impinging upon their maya meditation practice.

Im not uncomfortable with the topic, I find it interesting to talk about. I find uncomfortable that you keep expressing that you know The Truth, whatever it is, and that whoever doesnt agree with you harms others.

You think I twist your words?

What I have said is nothing of the sort. Please be more careful with your quoting out of context brother.

I know the truth of what my experiences have shown me. It happens to coincide quite well with what billions of other people also believe. You act as if I am here spewing some serious random nonsense, when in fact, I merely said that (like the vast majority of people in human history) I believe that there are, in fact, discorporate entities. I also have very good reason to believe that they are capable of sucking energy from us and even possessing people who are unwary. (Again an opinion that billions of people also hold)

Whether or not they are completely independent of our minds is irrelevant. If you follow the conversation on the "what is reality" thread, you will see that my view of reality is a lot more complicated than you want to paint it. I think we all exist as parts of an infinite Omniversal intelligence which is not limited to this universe or the dimensions we are normally aware of, but is the sum total of all possible multiverses throughout all levels and forms of existence and non-existence.

What you and others here are doing is trying to censor the way I express myself because the content of my assertions (while being widely held beliefs and not overly controversial) contradict with your personal beliefs as to the nature of our experience and the dark forces we perceive with our minds. This is unbecoming of you.

Meanwhile, you have completely glossed over the repeated attacks, insults, judgments and invectives hurled around on this and other threads by the people whose beliefs coincide more smoothly with your own. Somehow my confidence in my experience is unacceptable, but the name calling and condescension displayed here by the materialists is just fine. You have shown yourself to be anything but impartial.

This is not the first time you and I have gone down this road. In our PMs I even sent you a plethora of links pointing out extremely gross violations of Nexus policy by such posters, and that consistently get overlooked when they come from someone trumpeting science and reason over mysticism and spirituality. It is frankly disgraceful.

DMT is a molecule that gives a large number of people experiences that they interpret and term in their own conception as being spiritual. If you don't agree with how this major class of psychonauts see things... fine. But trying to act as if they are all irrational and sitting idly by as others here behave in shamefully crass and insulting ways, hurling invectives at people for simply addressing issues that are not proven by modern science... this is not the behavior I expect from one who talks such high minded rhetoric, nor from this site which holds itself up as a bastion of rationality and open discourse.

Read this thread through with a calm mind and tell me who it is who has done the insulting here. (That is if the parties in question have the courage to leave their shameful posts unedited)

 

[Bill Cipher]

Read this thread through with a calm mind and tell me who it is who has done the insulting here. (That is if the parties in question have the courage to leave their shameful posts unedited)

Not to worry. Shameful, insulting and above all unedited is how I likes to roll.

I took your advice and conducted a bit of interweb research this afternoon. While I wasn't able to find anything supporting your claim that "billions of people" share your nutty beliefs, I did unearth the following video of you smiting an evil dark entity:

God bless you, warrior of light. You protect us all from ourselves.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

I'm fascinated with the idea of whether or not hyperspace is real.

To quote Ice House:


My dogs knew what was going on, they were freeking the fuck out! they were shaking and shivering. scared. I got out of bed and walked around my house. Everything was crooked, the walls the floors the door ways were all wrong.


Now THAT is interesting. Animals knowing what's going on, that is amazing.
I was thinking today about last nights trip. After all this discussion I decided to smoke about 100mg with my belief of no real evil. I decided to start in my bright bathroom. I had to smoke hit by hit, there is no easy way to vape that much at once. I also decided to keep my eyes open and focus on my Metatron's cube drawing. I was strangely comfortable. No nervousness at all, because I decided to eliminate fear. The ground started showing very interesting patterns, and since I just moved here I couldn't remember the real pattern of the floor. Things tried to get weird, A real red drop was on the floor, like blood. So, like a dream it started growing more drops everywhere, to which I demanded, "This is MY world, I am the one in control here, and don't you forget that!" and the red drops dissipated. The bathroom fan was driving me nuts, becoming a cyclic sound inhibiting the expansion of the trip, once I was confident I could safely move I turned it off. and smoked more. I just puffed like a bowl of mj, and started getting dizzy, it was hard to keep my eyes focused. While I'm not trying to get a long winded trip report I am just happy to see that the mindset and belief system in place at time of hyperspace entry controlled the experience parameters for me. I don't know how much it matters, but I was drunk too. I'm a drinker.

And I'd really like to see this topic get back to a more respectful discussion than heated debate. We don't really need a D-ck measuring contest here. I respect and understand the idea of not letting someone get into trouble because they could be told evil is not real, and they get hurt by it, theoretically, but also believe it is just as damaging to reinforce fears because that is equally dangerous. Ponder this, what if FEAR of EVIL in fact CREATES it?

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

I know the truth of what my experiences have shown me. It happens to coincide quite well with what billions of other people also believe. You act as if I am here spewing some serious random nonsense, when in fact, I merely said that (like the vast majority of people in human history) I believe that there are, in fact, discorporate entities. I also have very good reason to believe that they are capable of sucking energy from us and even possessing people who are unwary. (Again an opinion that billions of people also hold)

What you and others here are doing is trying to censor the way I express myself because the content of my assertions (while being widely held beliefs and not overly controversial) contradict with your personal beliefs as to the nature of our experience and the dark forces we perceive with our minds. This is unbecoming of you.

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Billions? like 2 or 3? cause 3 billion would be about 43% of the world population. That's quite a number. How many of those are religions and their followers? How many religions are self conflicting in rules and beliefs? How many of those churches have pastors driving $100,000 dollar cars profiting from whimsical propaganda? Since we are bringing almost half the world into this argument, it kind of matters which sects are involved since that's alot of people supporting your methods of thought that may be sheep. Billions? I was not aware that many people were so adept with the spiritual realms. I hope you don't think I'm attacking you, because I'm not. I'm honestly not trying to push your buttons. But, billions is a really big number to throw around. I'm also a little buzzed so billions just makes my head spin, since like only one or two people I've met in my life believe in the like, let alone even heard of it, so that's like 1-3%.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

Have your ever heard your brain shit itself backwards? Blast off listening to Skrillex!

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

"Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing."

this thread has made this quote very apparent.

 

[tele]

Not to worry. Shameful, insulting and above all unedited is how I likes to roll.

But why? Do you like when people act like that towards you? Maybe if you would explain why you like to be "bad boy/girl"(I guess a boy), it would be easier to grasp why some of your posts are rude in nature.

I'm just saying that usually there's no reason to be rude towards other nexians, just because you "like that way of rolling". Especially when it comes to insulting people about their posts that weren't even directed towards you.
I mean we are no dogs around here who bark around...

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Read this thread through with a calm mind and tell me who it is who has done the insulting here. (That is if the parties in question have the courage to leave their shameful posts unedited)

Not to worry. Shameful, insulting and above all unedited is how I likes to roll.

I took your advice and conducted a bit of interweb research this afternoon. While I wasn't able to find anything supporting your claim that "billions of people" share your nutty beliefs, I did unearth the following video of you smiting an evil dark entity:

God bless you, warrior of light. You protect us all from ourselves.

My beliefs are nutty.

And you post a video of a nerd fight as if this has anything remotely to do with me. Somehow you think this kind of petty thing shows that you are reasonable and rational?

This latest contribution from you contradicts my experiences or lengthy posts full of valid points... how? You have added what to this conversation?

(btw, I am pretty sure the two kids battling in your video are scientific materialists)

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

"There is obviously a place in life for a religious attitude for awe and astonishment at existence. That is also a basis for respect for existence. We don’t have much of it in this culture, even though we call it materialistic. In this culture we call materialistic, today we are of course bent on the total destruction of material and its conversion into junk and poisonous gases. This is of course not a materialistic culture because it has no respect for material. And respect is in turn based on wonder."
-Alan Watts

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Billions? like 2 or 3? cause 3 billion would be about 43% of the world population. That's quite a number. How many of those are religions and their followers? How many religions are self conflicting in rules and beliefs? How many of those churches have pastors driving $100,000 dollar cars profiting from whimsical propaganda? Since we are bringing almost half the world into this argument, it kind of matters which sects are involved since that's alot of people supporting your methods of thought that may be sheep. Billions? I was not aware that many people were so adept with the spiritual realms. I hope you don't think I'm attacking you, because I'm not. I'm honestly not trying to push your buttons. But, billions is a really big number to throw around. I'm also a little buzzed so billions just makes my head spin, since like only one or two people I've met in my life believe in the like, let alone even heard of it, so that's like 1-3%.

I am talking about belief. Not mastery or even direct experience.

If you claim to be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Rastafarian, Shinto or any of a thousand brands of Shamanist. If you are an Animist, practice Theosophy, consider yourself a Wiccan... dabble in Alchemy or the Occult. If you believe in Egyptian, Norse, Celtic, Sumerian, African or Native American myths... Even if you are an Amish Anabaptist, a Mormom or a Scientologist... then you are claiming to believe in the power non-human discorporate entities.

This easily amounts to well over half of the humans who live on this planet at the moment. And, if you are counting humanity throughout time, it is a staggeringly high percentage.

Even the majority of Taoist, Buddhist, Jain and Sikh followers also believe in Taras, Demons, Spirits and the like.

Does everyone who ascribes to such a belief actually believe it in their heart of hearts... certainly not. Especially not in the fairly agnostic West. But this changes nothing. Whether or not you are as sure as I am... or have the kind of experiences I have had to back up your faith... you ascribe to a belief system that does in fact claim these things as matters of fact.

Open the Bible to any book, and you will find dead serious talk about casting out demons, angels of at least 7 varieties... hosts of seraphim, cherubim, ophanim and more. You will see endless talk about dragons, giants, nephilim, watchers, and fallen angels.

In my belief, in keeping with the neo-Sumerian roots of Judeo Christian belief, as well as the hefty influence of Zoroastrian, Vedic and Egyptian schools of thought... much of the non-human talk in the Bible refers to another thing that you might not want to believe in... Aliens. But it is clear that a good amount of the alien (extra terrestrial - not of this earth) intelligences in the Bible are discorporate. If you believe in Angels, you believe in both corporate and discorporate alien life forms. (G*d created the angels before he created the Earth, so whatever you think about them... they are ETs) These beings are described just like a huge number of people's DMT trip reports.

According to Time magazine 55% of Americans believe they have been helped by guardian angels. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1842179,00.html

This is the USA mind you... where many people are very non-religious.

Let us look at some other angel belief statistics, shall we? (this is not including other discorporate entities and spirits)...

An August 2007 Pew poll found that 68 percent of Americans believe that "angels and demons are active in the world," and according to four different polls conducted in 2009, a greater percentage of Americans believe in angels (55%) than those who believe in global warming (36%).

(I never said all these believers are geniuses.)

Angel - Wikipedia

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Wikipedia goes on to say that the largest group of population (teens and young people) believe even stronger than the older generations... meaning that not only is spiritual belief not dying out (as many of you might hope), but it is growing stronger. One poll showed 76% of 508 teenagers (aged 13–17) believe in angels, a greater percentage than those who believe in astrology, ESP, ghosts, witchcraft, clairvoyance, Bigfoot, and vampires.

According to another set of Gallup polls, designated towards all Americans, in 1994, 72% of Americans said they believed in angels, while in 2004, 78% of the surveyed Americans indicated belief in angels, with the percentage of Americans that did not believe in angels dropping from 15% to 10%, and the percentage of Americans that were "not sure" dropping from 13% to 11%.

In Canada, a 2008 survey of over 1000 Canadians found 67 percent believe in angels.

I don't have statistics at hand for places like Africa or Latin America... but I am willing to bet you that they meet or exceed those of Canada.

When polls in India asked people if they believed in Devas (the Vedic equivalent of angels) the results frequently topped 90%.

So...

Yeah. BILLIONS of people. Billions alive at this moment, plus untold billions more throughout time.

I have yet to meet an indigenous culture anywhere in the world that doesn't believe in supernatural beings of some sort... and many of these groups are the people who introduced us all to psychedelics in the first place.

Conclusion. If you don't believe in the supernatural, spirits, angels or the like... YOU are in the minority (both currently and for all time). Again, only 10% of Americans currently claim to absolutely NOT believe in angels.

This does not mean that you might not be right. This does not mean you don't have a right to have or express your opinion. But it does mean you can step off your high horse and recognize that you do not speak for every rational human being on this planet. Not by a long shot.

I am convinced of the truth of spiritual and even physical alien intelligences... because I have met them. Many times. Again and again over decades. I have met them in the presence of others.

"I have seen them on a boat, I have seen them with a goat... I have seen them here and there... I have seen them everywhere.

I like green angels and tofu ham... I like them, like them... sam I am." - paraphrased from the great Theodor Seuss Geisel (Dr. of the surreal soul)

To be honest, I am orders of magnitude more sure that these beings exist than I am that any of you do. I only know you guys through my computer. You could easily be AI programs that respond to my posts and chat with each other. The discorporate beings I have met give me no ability to doubt their existence whatsoever.

In conclusion, while I will preemptively admit that many people who ascribe to Christianity (for example) might not actually believe in what it says... in fact such people are not really Christians... It is not I who forces them to respond in the affirmative to polls that ask them if they believe in angels.

Not only is belief in spirit possession a pre-requisite for being Christian, with many of JC's miracles involving the casting out of such demons... the Bible actually says that if you yourself are unable to cast out demons, then you don't have the Holy Spirit (ala Acts of the Apostles). If you do not have the Holy Spirit, JC says you are not part of his flock... thus, you are not a Christian.

Recap: Unless you can cast out demons and devils, trod on serpents and scorpions, see the future and heal the sick... you are not a Christian.

Be well peeps.

Keep your critical minds sharp.

 

[endlessness]

Ok lets take this by parts to make it simpler, hyperspace fool

1- You have, throughout this thread in implicit and explicit ways, have claimed to know how hyperspace works and the nature of these demons, as well as a scheme of how dividing them in two clear-cut opposing groups, with certainty. I on the other hand, admit to not knowing what hyperspace is, just like I think nobody does. I have my own suspicions or opinions and share them, but I certainly wont pass them off as The Truth. I do not believe in this polarity you write, I feel black and white, good and evil, are all interconnected, dynamic, contextual, subjective, inside of each one of us, and with all tonalities between them. This is only my personal opinion, I do not pretend that this is so objectively.

2- To support your view, you use logical fallacies (appeal to majority, appeal to tradition, appeal to authority). If you just said something in the lines of: "this is my view based on my experience, it may be right, it may be wrong, some people share it, othrs not, but this is what I offer and here's my reasoning why", of course it would have been just fine, regardless of what your position is. Unfortunately thats not how it goes.

3- You use out-of-place analogies and characteristic expressions to artificially polarize the debate into two groups: The ones who agree with you, and the "nay-sayers" or "materialists". You fail to recognize diversity in points of view (or the fact that the full opinion of what one thinks of hyperspace and existence wasnt shared here, but you already act as if we're hardcore materialists), your analogies reduce the demon phenomenon to a supposed objective model of their existence, while that model is arbitrary and subjective. Some of these analogies are absurd (like saying im like someone who denies a rape victim has been raped, which I could find very offensive considering someone close to me has been raped without others seeing...).

4- You keep saying I havent offered anything practical. First of all, I havent offered much practical in this thread because I am enjoying a side-discussion with you and because I didnt feel the OP is having an emergency, but I DID offer something practical in my very first post, which was a brief mention about "power objects". You failed to see that, and this is actually something that is also (using a logical fallacy here) used by millions of people in different cultures. Nevertheless I make no claims that these power objects work in an objective absolute way, or whether they are psychological tools, and it doesnt matter IMO, they are still a good technique. Other practical ideas have been offered in instances of people who had severe problems in the past, and there's plenty in the health and safety section.

5- You have failed to recognize some very good points: The contradiction between different shamanic/traditional models for existence, for example complete contradictions between what one shaman and another will say. What is dark to one is light to another. So what is it, which one of the shamans or cultures should you trust ? IMO its a clear evidence that it is not an objective model, rather contextual, subjective, and thats why ultimately I dont think one should follow others (even if its billions of people) but rather do what one feels is right, taking in consideration all other points of view.

6- You constantly return to saying I censor you or I feel uncomfortable with your position or opinions, when I have made clear in several posts that my main problem is not in your view, but rather in how it is expressed. My problem is in the hubris of talking as if you are an official messenger of hyperspace yourself, like a jungle guide, and that all others that disagree with you are clearly in the wrong and being dangerous to all others entering this realm.

7- You say I am partial because I allow attacks to go on in the Nexus, and yet you have no idea the work I do in the background, which I wont be quoting. Feel free to believe what you want about myself.

I hope with this I make clear my position and that you dont keep going back to the same arguments that have been already discussed.

 

[SpartanII]

Not to worry. Shameful, insulting and above all unedited is how I likes to roll.

But why? Do you like when people act like that towards you? Maybe if you would explain why you like to be "bad boy/girl"(I guess a boy), it would be easier to grasp why some of your posts are rude in nature.

I'm just saying that usually there's no reason to be rude towards other nexians, just because you "like that way of rolling". Especially when it comes to insulting people about their posts that weren't even directed towards you.
I mean we are no dogs around here who bark around...

I agree 100%. I have sent Trav a formal complaint, as his posting behavior contradicts the Attitude of the forum and I believe as a moderator, doesn't set a good example for the rest of us.

He obviously likes the attention so I wouldn't feed into it by taking offense.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Ok lets take this by parts to make it simpler, hyperspace fool

1- You have, throughout this thread in implicit and explicit ways, have claimed to know how hyperspace works and the nature of these demons,

I do. Should I pretend I do not because you are unsure?

as well as a scheme of how dividing them in two clear-cut opposing groups, with certainty.

I have not said they are opposing. I said that light beings are higher evolved and have nothing but empathy for the dark ones. The dark beings are the ones who perceive some sort of opposition. Light beings recognize the unity of all things.

Frankly, endlessnes, comments like this make me wonder if you even read my posts. I clearly delineate a spectrum of beings, and your oversimplification of my message is itself a logical fallacy.

I on the other hand, admit to not knowing what hyperspace is, just like I think nobody does. I have my own suspicions or opinions and share them, but I certainly wont pass them off as The Truth. I do not believe in this polarity you write, I feel black and white, good and evil, are all interconnected, dynamic, contextual, subjective, inside of each one of us, and with all tonalities between them. This is only my personal opinion, I do not pretend that this is so objectively.

Obviously. You don't know, so why should you pretend otherwise. We are not in the same boat here. Are you suggesting that I should act like you?

Note, nobody has told you not to express your inconclusive views.

To support your view, you use logical fallacies (appeal to majority, appeal to tradition, appeal to authority). If you just said: "this is my view based on my experience, it may be right, it may be wrong, some people share it, othrs not, but this is what I offer and here's my reasoning why", of course it would have been just fine, regardless of what your position is. Unfortunately thats not how it goes.

Unlike the fallacies you are engaging in, my argument does not rest any of these appeals, but rather on my clearly presented, factual, documented assertions. I have posted links to polls backing up my assertions. You are just speaking from your gut level opinion.

I get it. You don't like other people to act confident about things you are unsure of. This is a "you" problem.

I have repeatedly said that this is my view based on my experience. Of course, when I expound in the slightest about the extent of my experience... you come down on me for talking about the extent of my experience. I have also frequently said that if you don't agree with me, it is your right.

3- You use out-of-place analogies and characteristic expressions to artificially polarize the debate into two groups: The ones who agree with you, and the "nay-sayers". You fail to recognize diversity in points of view, your analogies reduce the demon phenomenon to a supposed objective model of their existence, while it is clearly arbitrary and subjective. Some of these analogies are absurd (like saying im like someone who denies a rape victim has been raped, which I could find very offensive considering someone close to me has been raped without others seeing...).

This is your judgment that my analogies are out of place. You are the arbiter of analogies now? There are plenty here who have posted that they appreciate my jungle analogy. My PM box is full of others too frightened by your minor witch hunt to post publicly.

Nay Sayers is not a derogatory term. It means you don't agree. You say nay to the existence of spiritual beings and/or their ability to mess with people. How is this anything like what your advocates on this thread have been saying? Calling people nutjobs, irrational, silly, absurd, ridiculous, and crazy are another level more bellicose and un-called for. Even you have just called my analogies absurd.

Now we have Art ratcheting up his snide condescension and posting insulting video clips... I notice that you have yet to publicly scold him or any of the others. Not surprising since you are merely one of the more passive aggessive purveyors of insult. My analogies are not absurd. You simply don't appreciate them.

You expect me to couch my pronouncements about my solid experience with wishy washy disclaimers, but you feel that it is fine to pronounce unequivocally that I and my thoughts are absurd. You allow all manner of assumptions and crass behavior, so long as it conforms with your beliefs.

4- You keep saying I havent offered anything practical. First of all, I havent offered much practical in this thread because I am enjoying a side-discussion with you and because I didnt feel the OP is having an emergency, but I DID offer something practical in my very first post, which was a brief mention about "power objects". You failed to see that, and this is actually something that is also (using a logical fallacy here) used by millions of people in different cultures. Nevertheless I make no claims that these power objects work in an objective absolute way, or whether they are psychological tools, and it doesnt matter IMO, they are still a good technique. Other practical ideas have been offered in instances of people who had severe problems in the past, and there's plenty in the health and safety section.

So power objects are okay, but telling people to avoid the entities that radiate malice is wrong. You didn't put any reality disclaimers on your power object post either.

5- You have failed to recognize some very good points: The contradiction between different shamanic/traditional models for existence, for example complete contradictions between what one shaman and another will say. What is dark to one is light to another. So what is it, which one of the shamans or cultures should you trust ? IMO its a clear evidence that it is not an objective model, rather contextual, subjective, and thats why ultimately I dont think one should follow others (even if its billions of people) but rather do what one feels is right, taking in consideration all other points of view.

How on Earth do you know what I have recognized or failed to recognize?

Your contradiction argument is a bit thin IMHO. There are very few examples where dark entities are perceived as the light ones by other shaman. When this is the case, the dark shaman who view the dark entities positively are clearly called dark sorcerers by the shamans who view the entities as dark.

What you are saying amounts to the argument that because Satanists view Lucifer as being the good (or at least correct) spiritual force, that there is some kind of confusion as to the majority view on the devil.

Please. These are your good points?

I am not telling anyone to listen to me simply because billions of others believe in what I am saying. In fact, I am not telling anyone to believe what I am saying at all. I have shown that the opinion that you and others here are putting forth as a majority opinion is in fact a tiny minority opinion. That your way of seeing things is not only not the predominant or accepted view... but that you are actually the fringe elements here.

Contradict this if you can.

6- You constantly return to saying I censor you or I feel uncomfortable with your position or opinions, when I have made clear in several posts that my main problem is not in your view, but rather in how it is expressed. My problem is in the hubris of talking as if you are an official messenger of hyperspace yourself, like a jungle guide, and that all others that disagree with you are clearly in the wrong and being dangerous to all others entering this realm.

You consistently tell me how I should phrase my opinions, and insist that there is something that bothers you about how I have posted here. This is not what I say, but what you have said. It doesn't matter which aspect of my postings bother you... you are bothered.

What you consider hubris, others call knowledge and experience.

Ask yourself if you would respond this way if one of our chemistry experts on the Nexus posted something regarding a warning based on their extensive chemistry knowledge, and didn't bother to pretend that they weren't sure about what they were saying. Plenty of people might not understand or believe what such a poster might say either, but that doesn't prevent such a poster from asserting that their esoteric knowledge is fact... based on the experiences they have accrued in their laboratories, schools of higher learning, and their readings of the findings of others in their field.

I don't need your permission to acknowledge that I have expertise in this subject... whether or not you, Art, House or anyone else finds the field to be valid.

7- You say I am partial because I allow attacks to go on in the Nexus, and yet you have no idea the work I do in the background, which I wont be quoting. Feel free to believe what you want about myself.

I hope with this I make clear my position and that you dont keep going back to the same arguments that have been already discussed.

If you want to remove the perception that you are biased, make your reprimands of the people who agree with your thinking as public as you are making your reprimands of me. Otherwise, you are being partial... whether you can grok that or not. I tell people in a loving way that they should watch out for parasitic entities, and go to great length to show that belief and experiences of such things are rather well documented... and you make a half dozen posts to me replete with scorn and judgment.

The people on this thread calling names, you haven't even acknowledged publicly.

tsk tsk.

Endlessness, my dear brother... I will not go on with you like this further as it is pointless. I have indicated that there are areas in this where I have less certainty or even outright confusion... but I will not pretend to be unsure of things that I am sure of. You do the Nexus community a disservice when you assume that my surety and confidence in my knowledge is somehow threatening to them. People are pretty well able to take or leave what I say. They can judge me or simply ignore me. They should take anything anyone says (that is not backed up by their personal direct experience) worth a grain of salt anyway IMHO.

What you and others here have done is create an atmosphere where scientific materialism is held up as the only correct belief system, and whose pronouncements may be asserted and taken on face value. Meanwhile, spiritualism, mysticism and the like are deemed okay to ridicule. Say what you want. This is how it goes down here. I have had at least 50 exchanges with other Nexians who are equally as frustrated with this situation as I am. Many people are even afraid to speak out or voice their opinions in this charged and judgmental atmosphere for fear of the abuse they receive. I won't name names, or out people, but I can assure you that at least one MOD here on the nexus feels unable to express their religious and spiritual beliefs here because of how you guys deal with the subject.

This is extremely odd and bewildering for a site devoted to a sacred substance often referred to as Divine Moments of Truth, and the Spirit Molecule. The subtext on the header here says "explorations of the spirit molecule" and yet, spirit is a four letter word here? Maybe this byline should be changed...

At any rate, this is not partiality. This is not an open exchange.

You are not the majority, and you (by your own admission) are no expert on this subject. Why then do you feel you have the mandate to tell me I can not be sure of my experiences?

 

[SpartanII]

I've never read such arrogant rhetoric on this forum.

I understand that that's how you perceived it, but I didn't see it that way. The way I see it, Hyperspace Fool has experience with this stuff and is simply trying to warn people not to play with fire.

Would you, as an employer treat the credentials on a potential employee's job resume as arrogant rhetoric?

Would it be arrogant of a fire fighter to warn people to stay out of a burning building? Of course not.

 

[Tek]

Read this thread through with a calm mind and tell me who it is who has done the insulting here. (That is if the parties in question have the courage to leave their shameful posts unedited)

Not to worry. Shameful, insulting and above all unedited is how I likes to roll.

I took your advice and conducted a bit of interweb research this afternoon. While I wasn't able to find anything supporting your claim that "billions of people" share your nutty beliefs, I did unearth the following video of you smiting an evil dark entity:

God bless you, warrior of light. You protect us all from ourselves.

This quite possibly is the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen posted in this community and in no way contributes anything to this thread or discussion.

And really, I'm surprised by this discussion and the way it's went. I find nothing wrong with what HF has said thus far and no where have I felt inclined to 'believe him or face the dark entity's wrath'. It does appear to me that because he talks about his many experiences that this is cause for some kind of defensive wall to go up with some people. Why guys? It's his view based upon his own experiences. I have my own also based upon my own experiences as do each of you. We're all in this together, which is why I've fallen in love with this community in the short time I've been a regular poster.

I appreciate HF's confident rhetoric on this matter. What I take away from what he has said is 'don't go towards the darker parts of hyperspace'. This, to me, is more a matter of common sense then it is of him stating a fact. Whether or not anyone believes the entities are objectively real or a product of our minds is irrelevant to the main point he's making. I feel like a lot of people are getting hung up on the way he's presenting the material, but we each have our own styles of posting and it's encouraging to see someone like HF who has adopted a very strong mystical belief system and it's equally as heartening to see people be more analytical about it. We need both views and both are valid, it's up to the individual to decide what he or she believes.

With that being said I love and appreciate each member of this community, but we need to stop disrespecting each other as Art has done with that link he placed. Nothing wrong with a good debate, but this thread is derailing more and more into an outright argument which is unbecoming of this community and, quite frankly, suprises me.

 

[polytrip]

HF may mean well, but he doesn´t know anything more about hyperspace than any other person who´s been there.
Nobody knows anything about hyperspace, whether it´s real, whether dark-entity´s exist, etc.

So thank you for warning us and sharing your opinion. Now, let me decide for myself whether i want to believe any of it or not...OK?

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

HF may mean well, but he doesn´t know anything more about hyperspace than any other person who´s been there.
Nobody knows anything about hyperspace, whether it´s real, whether dark-entity´s exist, etc.

So thank you for warning us and sharing your opinion. Now, let me decide for myself whether i want to believe any of it or not...OK?

Polytrip, my dear fellow psychonaut... where did I ever tell you what to believe, or take authority over what YOU believe or want to believe?

I have not been on this thread telling you what you can believe or post. Rather, it is other people who have been telling me what I can and can not say or believe to know.

You might believe that nobody can know anything about Hyperspace... that is your right. But by your own logic, how can you know that I don't know something you might not?

My interactions with entities have borne verifiable fruit. I have been given information that I have been able to independently verify. I have had entities affect the real world directly. I have even had cases where large numbers of non-tripping people have viewed the entities.

Maybe you saw the thread where Owsley (famous LSD chemist and soundman for the Grateful Dead) recounted that whenever someone would smoke DMT in the studio, the sound would get louder and more strident... so much so that it could even blow out speakers or tubes. Whether or not this had anything to do with entities, it does show that many respected people also believe that Hyperspace can intrude upon this reality.

Here is a link to where you can listen to the unedited interview tapes... I believe the DMT stuff is on the 1st or 2nd part: Official Site Of The Grateful Dead | Grateful Dead

So, since I have always been OK with you believing what you want... perhaps you can show me the same respect?

 

[polytrip]

Open the Bible to any book, and you will find dead serious talk about casting out demons, angels of at least 7 varieties... hosts of seraphim, cherubim, ophanim and more. You will see endless talk about dragons, giants, nephilim, watchers, and fallen angels.

Oh, the bible says it....well, that makes it valid then.

Now, let´s hunt down some witches and drown them. Some priest has sayed it´s alright, and better safe than sorry, right?

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Open the Bible to any book, and you will find dead serious talk about casting out demons, angels of at least 7 varieties... hosts of seraphim, cherubim, ophanim and more. You will see endless talk about dragons, giants, nephilim, watchers, and fallen angels.

Oh, the bible says it....well, that makes it valid then.

Now, let´s hunt down some witches and drown them. Some priest has sayed it´s alright, and better safe than sorry, right?

Quote me out of context all you like man. Be snide and dismissive of the views of billions of people. You do realize that whatever you think of the book... it is far and away the most popular book of all time.

This quote was in the context of showing that a vast majority of humans believe these things to be real... not any kind of proof that they are real.

Your appeal to absurdity vis a vis witches deserves no reply.

I would love to hear any valid proof you have that Hyperspace entities are not real, that angels don't exist, and that there are not discorporate beings you might be well advised to avoid.

Perhaps you just enjoy being sarcastic and rude to people who hold opinions you don't respect.

 

[SpartanII]

Open the Bible to any book, and you will find dead serious talk about casting out demons, angels of at least 7 varieties... hosts of seraphim, cherubim, ophanim and more. You will see endless talk about dragons, giants, nephilim, watchers, and fallen angels.

Oh, the bible says it....well, that makes it valid then.

Now, let´s hunt down some witches and drown them. Some priest has sayed it´s alright, and better safe than sorry, right?

There is a difference between blind faith and personal experience.