Psilocin Dreams said:
:d Congratulations! I'm really happy you found this little and simple tek useful!
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good'ol A/B with lye and vinegar
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:d Congratulations! I'm really happy you found this little and simple tek useful!
cellux said:
KOH should work for substituting lye, but its also a strong base, I dont know how much 'safer' it would be.
In any case you dont have to be affraid if you just work carefully and use safety equipment like goggles and gloves and so on. But do follow whatever your heart tells you, if you dont want to work with lye, dont!
BTW im curious, why dont you do a dry tek, then?
endlessness said:
Because my wife told me I'd rather not keep dangerous substances (like naphtha) in our apartment. She's worried for the kids (and me, but that's a different story).
I allied with a friend to do it in his apartment (lives alone), I bought the bark (it's in the drawer for a month now), but the friend left to Greece to build a stupa on top of some mountain, so I have to wait until he's back.
Lime is sold in 16 liter units around here, which means it would be quite a task to carry it through the city to my friend's apartment. I don't have a driving licence, so I have to ask my wife to help transport the lime to its destination. Do you begin to see why?
And finally, I'm not absolutely sure that I really need this DMT at all. OK, I had this vision once on LSD, when I saw this hierarchy of psychedelics and saw what DMT is (this story about DMT being the king and salvia being the queen is not without basis)... But sometimes I have this feeling that perhaps I'm already DMT itself.
OK, don't scoff at me, forget that I said that... I will go for it, when the time comes. I promise. *edit: I found a store that sells NaOH in 1 kg units. Now I only need goggles, gloves and the right time.
but why not using limonene instead of naphtha?
and im sure you can order lime online and get it delivered to your doorstep
but yeah do adjust to your own situation and follow your own feelings!
and im sure you can order lime online and get it delivered to your doorstep
but yeah do adjust to your own situation and follow your own feelings!
Hi cellux,
This statement certainly deserves a thread on its own! Seriously, I would love to read about it!
cellux said:
This statement certainly deserves a thread on its own! Seriously, I would love to read about it!
Here is the process as I imagine it, expressed as a list of steps. Please correct/advise if I'm wrong somewhere or I'm missing something.
Act I - Acid
1. put powdered MHRB, vinegar and water into pot
2. boil for 30 minutes
3. leave it there until MHRB falls to the bottom of pot (7-8 hours?)
4. decant the acidic solution into another container
5. reduce (boil) the acidic solution until ca. 600 ml remains
Act II - Base
1. PUT ON GLOVES AND GOGGLES
2. mix water with lye in Erlenmeyer flask
3. pour the result of Act I into the flask, mix
4. check ph, if above 14, it's good
Act III - Pull
1. heat flask
2. TURN OFF HEAT SOURCE, pour 30 ml of naphtha into flask, shake for 10 mins
3. wait until naphtha layer separates
4. remove naphtha layer, put into fridge
Questions:
I/1. The bottled, food grade vinegar I can buy at the store is a 5% solution (water+vinegar). Are we talking about that here? Or a 10% solution? Or 100% vinegar?
I/4. How do you decant? Just by tilting the pot and pouring off the liquid to the other container (ensuring that all of the bark remains in the original pot)?
III/1. What do you use to heat the flask? A Bunsen lighter?
III/4. How do you remove the naphtha layer from the flask?
Thanks in advance.
Act I - Acid
1. put powdered MHRB, vinegar and water into pot
2. boil for 30 minutes
3. leave it there until MHRB falls to the bottom of pot (7-8 hours?)
4. decant the acidic solution into another container
5. reduce (boil) the acidic solution until ca. 600 ml remains
Act II - Base
1. PUT ON GLOVES AND GOGGLES
2. mix water with lye in Erlenmeyer flask
3. pour the result of Act I into the flask, mix
4. check ph, if above 14, it's good
Act III - Pull
1. heat flask
2. TURN OFF HEAT SOURCE, pour 30 ml of naphtha into flask, shake for 10 mins
3. wait until naphtha layer separates
4. remove naphtha layer, put into fridge
Questions:
I/1. The bottled, food grade vinegar I can buy at the store is a 5% solution (water+vinegar). Are we talking about that here? Or a 10% solution? Or 100% vinegar?
I/4. How do you decant? Just by tilting the pot and pouring off the liquid to the other container (ensuring that all of the bark remains in the original pot)?
III/1. What do you use to heat the flask? A Bunsen lighter?
III/4. How do you remove the naphtha layer from the flask?
Thanks in advance.
why dont you order from abroad? I've ordered limonene elsewhere in europe from outside (jimjamshop) and it arrived perfectly. Its not a controlled substance in any way... good luck!
cellux said:
So far so good. Just one extra step: after boiling do a first simple decant (some particles may go through, no problem) and add a little more water to wash the mimosa mush. You can heat that up a bit and let it decant throughly. When both liquids have precipitated, do a careful decanting and join them together. Finally you can boil the clear liquid until reaching 600 ml
cellux said:
Perfect. That's it!
cellux said:
That's it. Do at least 3 pulls with Naphtha
cellux said:
5% is fine. Choose the clearest vinegar you can find, as close as possible to water in color. This is often the worst quality vinegar, sold in discount department stores (plastic bottle, unbranded,... you get the picture). The vinegar used was 5.5% acidic
cellux said:
Basically that's it. After a through precipitation the mush will be on the bottm, and if done carefully very few bark will pass through. For security you can use a used T-shirt as a filter, but that's not really necessary. Also even if a little bit of bark goes into the final mix, it really does not matter
cellux said:
no. A electric boiler plate! if set on ultra low, it will get just the exact amount oh heat you need. They are dirt cheap if bought on discount kitchen equipment stores (15 USD/EUR/GBP...)
cellux said:
A syringe has been used to very good results. Use a 10 ml one - it is quite big, and you can buy one at a pharmacy without raising suspicions, as these are used mainly for antibiotics. A 10 ml syringe holds enough naphtha to do it in a half a dozen times and also gives you a fair amount of control over what you are picking. Also if some lye solution falls into your container that goes into the freezer, you can pick it up very easily!
Hope this helps!
[By the way. On the next extraction, my friends are going to use lime. you can get pH of about 14 easily, and I see no reason why it cannot work]
Psilocin Dreams
Rising Star
Very much agreed. Specially since im told the trip are kinda similar aside from salvia being a darker trip.picatris said:
I found this tek extremely easy. I used a crock pot as my heat bath on low heat it stayed below 165 degrees F. I also used pint and half pint mason jars as my vessels, a turkey bastor and eye dropper. had zero complications, ended up with mostly oxides but thats friggin awsome as i enjoy the oxides much more but no harmful contaminants and by far the best batch yet!
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Rising Star
If you get a syringe to pull the naptha out, make sure the naptha doesnt touch the rubber stopper, otherwise it will be very difficult to use as it expands, ive ruined a ton of syringes like that and now I just use a turkey baster.
Decanting is fine at some level, but I suggest using paint strainers, you can buy 2 for like 4 bucks and if you put them inside one another its 4 layers of screen and you can use it to ring out your bark and get that last little bit of magic out.
Decanting is fine at some level, but I suggest using paint strainers, you can buy 2 for like 4 bucks and if you put them inside one another its 4 layers of screen and you can use it to ring out your bark and get that last little bit of magic out.
I am relatively new here. I am quite fond of A/B techs because I have had great success with them twice now. I have found that my greatest frustrations have been filtering of plant materials. The paint strainer idea is one that I will probably try for filtering Rue or MHRB mash in first pass filtration to help get rid of the larger particulates.
However I have been using a circular cut of white cotton cloth in a Buchner funnel which works quite well if a nylon filtration screen is first placed under it in the funnel below the cotton. A bonus is that if you already have Buchner funnel, then this is practically free. Another good thing is that I have repeatedly rinsed the cotton with clear water and reused it in subsequent filtration tasks. Filter papers can then be used to filter the finer particulates.
I too have found out the hard way that PE or Naptha will swell the rubber plunger of a syringe to the point where it can become impossible to remove. I would recommend leaving some air space in the syringe and keeping it steady so that Naptha NEVER contacts the rubber plunger of the syringe if you are going to use them.
However I have been using a circular cut of white cotton cloth in a Buchner funnel which works quite well if a nylon filtration screen is first placed under it in the funnel below the cotton. A bonus is that if you already have Buchner funnel, then this is practically free. Another good thing is that I have repeatedly rinsed the cotton with clear water and reused it in subsequent filtration tasks. Filter papers can then be used to filter the finer particulates.
I too have found out the hard way that PE or Naptha will swell the rubber plunger of a syringe to the point where it can become impossible to remove. I would recommend leaving some air space in the syringe and keeping it steady so that Naptha NEVER contacts the rubber plunger of the syringe if you are going to use them.
rivea said:
Some syringes (as mine) have full plastic plungers. There are some rubbery ones (which I never used) and the lower quality ones, fully plastic as I have. Mine came full of spores some years ago
However a good alternative I have also used is a pipette. A volumetric 100 ml pipette is quite easy to use, although sometimes a bit clumsy, as the tube is rather long. The pipette also allows for full separation of the naphtha.