GVG astonishment

[great_blue]

i wish i could brother.. i wouldnt call it "skimping" per-say haha.. maybe another one or two hits in succession would have done the trick.. with this stuff i guess its better to go in without any expectations whatsoever. everyone is different though..

 

[tomtomtom]

i wish i could brother.. i wouldnt call it "skimping" per-say haha.. maybe another one or two hits in succession would have done the trick.. with this stuff i guess its better to go in without any expectations whatsoever. everyone is different though..

Haha yeah but they did call it skimping in very loud English:lol:. One of them did other hits on top but with little adage to the trip I guess. And I didn't want to pressure the other one as I wouldn't want it to go bad or anywhere near the trip I had.

 

[Global]

I cannot figure out how they didn't have a strong experience, they exhaled all air then inhaled for about 15 secs and held it for a count of about 25 secs. It was pure crystals the flow down the GVG was solid and continuous. I can verify in horrendous fashion it was good stuff as it was the same as I used in the above freak out posts...so you tell me?

I've never been whisked up to the clouds again since, but I have had that peaceful, motherly feeling again, so after that experience which ended up being this mother goddess experience with the most intense, pleasurable buzzing in what was like a psychedelic womb, I had closure on the whole situation and was finally able to move on after having screwed things up the first time. Ironically now that I think about it, the second time I had music playing, and it was right at my side if I wanted to stop it, but I learned from my mistakes and just let the music play :lol: I remember thinking I was "being tested" lol.

 

[Global]

Also, in regards to people not feeling it, I've noticed that I seem particularly sensitive to receiving powerful effects from the same dosage as compared with most of the people I administer it to. I think the more you do it, DMT sort of rewires your circuitry and it seems like those neurological pathways are just pre-established and when they pick up DMT, they're like, "we know what to do with this". I don't really know.

Here's a tip that someone at the nexus taught me that helped to drastically improve my smoking technique. Since DMT vapor can be harsh, even from the GVG, sometimes it may be difficult to take a very big hit for the sheer fact of your lungs physically not being able to tolerate such a large or harsh hit. So what I do is that I get it filling nice and thick, beyond what I'd normally be able to take in one lungful, so as soon as I feel sort of like I've reached my limit on what I could reasonably hold, I keep the vapor down for like 3 seconds or so. The vapor can be pretty harsh, and my lungs can be spazzing out, but if I hold it down for a few seconds, they relax and the harshness goes away. At that point, without exhaling I clear the rest of it, chasing it with a bit of air to make sure it's all in the lungs, and then hold the combined hit for like 20 seconds. I never even feel the second half of a hit enter my lungs. It's literally like breathing air. If done right, the experience is usually well under way before I even exhale a first hit. Once I added that bit of technique to the repertoire, I've been able to achieve higher and deeper states with less DMT. I only load up about 15mg for myself now, and every now and then it'll be a breakthrough dose. I haven't loaded up more than 20mg in a while, but I have ever-more bizarre experiences all the time.

 

[tomtomtom]

Haha a man who learns his lesson, I could take a leaf out of your book.

Also, in regards to people not feeling it, I've noticed that I seem particularly sensitive to receiving powerful effects from the same dosage as compared with most of the people I administer it to. I think the more you do it, DMT sort of rewires your circuitry and it seems like those neurological pathways are just pre-established and when they pick up DMT, they're like, "we know what to do with this". I don't really know.

Ahh so you have the same thing when administrating it to other people, interesting. That would indeed suggest your body does become tuned to dmt after a while. I like the way you see/word it, very visual not to mention probably bang on.

Here's a tip that someone at the nexus taught me that helped to drastically improve my smoking technique. Since DMT vapor can be harsh, even from the GVG, sometimes it may be difficult to take a very big hit for the sheer fact of your lungs physically not being able to tolerate such a large or harsh hit. So what I do is that I get it filling nice and thick, beyond what I'd normally be able to take in one lungful, so as soon as I feel sort of like I've reached my limit on what I could reasonably hold, I keep the vapor down for like 3 seconds or so. The vapor can be pretty harsh, and my lungs can be spazzing out, but if I hold it down for a few seconds, they relax and the harshness goes away. At that point, without exhaling I clear the rest of it, chasing it with a bit of air to make sure it's all in the lungs, and then hold the combined hit for like 20 seconds. I never even feel the second half of a hit enter my lungs. It's literally like breathing air. If done right, the experience is usually well under way before I even exhale a first hit. Once I added that bit of technique to the repertoire, I've been able to achieve higher and deeper states with less DMT. I only load up about 15mg for myself now, and every now and then it'll be a breakthrough dose. I haven't loaded up more than 20mg in a while, but I have ever-more bizarre experiences all the time.

Excellent, I will definitely teach that to friends who try spice in future. I wont be doing myself though as all I have to do is look:shock: at spice these days and a jester jumps me.

Oh and I think you quoted the wrong section in your second to last post.

 

[Global]

I'm not quite sure, what I was trying to quote lol. Might've been this

Enough about my idiotic overdosing. Time heals all wounds I guess. Your experiences Global sound epic. I love the part where you transcend through the clouds also where your at god head. I cant believe you got up mid way to fix the musicLaughing then it all inverts... that's not what you need. I wonder what you might have seen had you continuedQuestion.

 

[tele]

OK, so the key to inhaling full dose (let's say 25mg) is TEMPERATURE, that is absolutely essential. Because that is, lower temperature gives much smoother vapor that can be inhaled for very long time and kept in for long time. When I started with the GVG, I added too much heat and even pure white DMT was incredibly harsh!
Afterwards, I have adjusted the temperature like this:
Keep the torch lighter's tip about couple millimeters inside the bowl, and as soon as the ceramic filter gets red and you see vapor coming out, keep on inhaling for couple seconds(or not at all, depends how smooth you want it), then raise the torch about 0,5cm above the bowl and keep heating until no more vapor comes out, this way you have full dose eliminated and it's so smooth that you can keep it in for about 10secs, I prefer about 5-8 seconds. This way even 25mg can be more than enough. It'll obviously get more harsh if you add like 40mg, but that's something one wouldn't usually do in one hit(well I've tried and it's manageable but a bit too intense for me). So when you see no more vapor coming out, you know you're going!
I must add that pure white DMT is smoother than yellower one... With some differences in effect for me.
I think the STB method usually leaves some impurities to the spice, but that wouldn't explain why they didn't "get off" from 40mg... I would say they didn't heat it right and didn't inhale for long enough. Leaving probably over half of their doses for you, TOMTOMTOM!

How thick is your copper mesh screen? It should be about 2-4mm thick and the thinner it is the faster it gets heated(less time inhaling).

Anyway, I must say it takes some time to get familiar with the GVG.

 

[tele]

I must add that the difficult journeys are sometimes "The big D" showing us that we have to face our deepest fears, or we will never overcomethem totally.

 

[Global]

Keep the torch lighter's tip about couple millimeters inside the bowl, and as soon as the ceramic filter gets red and you see vapor coming out, keep on inhaling for couple seconds(or not at all, depends how smooth you want it), then raise the torch about 0,5cm above the bowl and keep heating until no more vapor comes out, this way you have full dose eliminated and it's so smooth that you can keep it in for about 10secs, I prefer about 5-8 seconds. This way even 25mg can be more than enough. It'll obviously get more harsh if you add like 40mg, but that's something one wouldn't usually do in one hit(well I've tried and it's manageable but a bit too intense for me). So when you see no more vapor coming out, you know you're going!

I'm gonna definitely keep this in mind next time I light up. I've always had a particularly hard time clearing an entire dose in one shot because it's too harsh, and I know that I've heard this piece of advice on the forums before, but for some reason it only just clicked now :lol:

 

[tele]

Keep the torch lighter's tip about couple millimeters inside the bowl, and as soon as the ceramic filter gets red and you see vapor coming out, keep on inhaling for couple seconds(or not at all, depends how smooth you want it), then raise the torch about 0,5cm above the bowl and keep heating until no more vapor comes out, this way you have full dose eliminated and it's so smooth that you can keep it in for about 10secs, I prefer about 5-8 seconds. This way even 25mg can be more than enough. It'll obviously get more harsh if you add like 40mg, but that's something one wouldn't usually do in one hit(well I've tried and it's manageable but a bit too intense for me). So when you see no more vapor coming out, you know you're going!

I'm gonna definitely keep this in mind next time I light up. I've always had a particularly hard time clearing an entire dose in one shot because it's too harsh, and I know that I've heard this piece of advice on the forums before, but for some reason it only just clicked now :lol:

You can also imagine that with lower temperature one inhales more active DMT!
It's actually very smooth and soft the vapor at proper temperature, one might even wants to try putting the torches tip about 1cm above the bowl after the initial glowing red of the ceramic.
White DMT is absolutely easy to inhale with right temp, it's very very smooth! One hit=30mg =:shock:

 

[jbark]

I recently administered a session for around 6 others, one at a time, with doses ranging between 15 and 35mg. I was amazed at the variation of experience from person to person - from mild to strong at BOTH 35 and 15mg. I was "operating" the torch, while they each held the GVG. What i did notice was that not only was there a variation in how much they each drew into their lungs, but just as importantly, HOW LONG they held the vapour in: some waited 15-20 seconds before exhaling, some only about 4-5 seconds... oneguy took a second hit after exhaling a vaporous cloud, but only held that hit in for about 4 seconds! When i hit the GVG, I take it all in one hit, lay back and hold it in as long as I possibly can - usually about 20-30 seconds (I deep breathe before the hit to oxygenate my blood so I can last longer).

My point is that it is not the measured dose that counts, but how much makes it into your bloodstream and crosses the BB barrier. If a cloud of vapour is exhaled, a large part of the dose has been wasted. I don't think, from what I have seen, that 8-10 seconds is enough. When i exhale, there is never even a puff of whiteness! So yes, it is not surprising that for some even 40mg has little effect - if you inhale only half and exhale after 5 seconds, you might only be getting the equivalent of 10-15 mg...

tomtomtom, your experience reminds me of one of my first ones, that you can read HERE (scroll down to see a pic of the BEAST!)

It changed everything for me, and took me nearly a year of working my way back up from 10mgs to 25 with the GVG...

good luck and hang tough!

JBArk

 

[gibran2]

You can also imagine that with lower temperature one inhales more active DMT!
It's actually very smooth and soft the vapor at proper temperature, one might even wants to try putting the torches tip about 1cm above the bowl after the initial glowing red of the ceramic.
White DMT is absolutely easy to inhale with right temp, it's very very smooth! One hit=30mg =:shock:

I keep it even a bit cooler than you describe. I NEVER let the GVG ceramic diffuser glow red. If it's that hot, then it's too hot.

 

[tele]

You can also imagine that with lower temperature one inhales more active DMT!
It's actually very smooth and soft the vapor at proper temperature, one might even wants to try putting the torches tip about 1cm above the bowl after the initial glowing red of the ceramic.
White DMT is absolutely easy to inhale with right temp, it's very very smooth! One hit=30mg =:shock:

I keep it even a bit cooler than you describe. I NEVER let the GVG ceramic diffuser glow red. If it's that hot, then it's too hot.

Yeah, it is only the top of the ceramic filter that gets the glow like for a second or two, to lessen the time required for heating up. But I feel like it's smooth enough so I do it that way.

 

[tele]

My point is that it is not the measured dose that counts, but how much makes it into your bloodstream and crosses the BB barrier. If a cloud of vapour is exhaled, a large part of the dose has been wasted. I don't think, from what I have seen, that 8-10 seconds is enough. When i exhale, there is never even a puff of whiteness! So yes, it is not surprising that for some even 40mg has little effect - if you inhale only half and exhale after 5 seconds, you might only be getting the equivalent of 10-15 mg...

I agree. I usually smoke so not much comes out in the exhalation. Depending on the dosage(usually), I keep in about 5-10 seconds which is long enough for me. As I have kept it longer without any noticeable difference in the strenght of the experience.
It's true, when you exhale almost nothing out, you know it's properly done

 

[Global]

Sometimes I'll release a mini "test-exhale". If I see anything, I know I still need to hold it in longer.

 

[tele]

Sometimes I'll release a mini "test-exhale". If I see anything, I know I still need to hold it in longer.

Whoa get's difficult!
Personally I've never had any issues with holding it in too little, even when it's a fact that if you exhale it too soon, you won't get the full dose. I'd say more than 10 seconds is unnecessary judging by own experience(about 50 breakthroughs of different "severity":lol: )...
Besides being too long without oxygen can bring some side effects for the trip, unpleasant ones.
Sometimes also there is a feeling with DMT that I don't need to exhale at all, as the effects begin already when the vapor is in the lungs. That's kind of freaky one...

 

[tomtomtom]

Jbark,

I have heavily quoted you because I need your words to explain what I couldn't. Even though only a few will ever feel what you have said. Your post should be in the DMT resuscitation hand book. Just relating to another person like that has soothed me greatly.

I don’t frighten easily

I was like this too, but when an experience like this happens Its not on the list of things you can imagine that pertain to earth fears. The thought of being erased or never actually being is uncomprehending, and its not even a thought, you actually live it.

Thrust into the maelstrom and stripped so profoundly of the impression that « I am » and that I exist, that whatever is left of me is thoroughly convinced that all I believed I had experienced, up to now, reveals itself, like a dagger through the heart of the mind, as an elaborate illusion to which I shall never return. Worse than cessation, more painful than the thought of death is the realization that you NEVER WERE… (note : I have, in my clearer moments, accepted my death and have faced it numerous times with other materials, but this, as with my experiences with salvia, was of an order more disturbing, to say the least…)

You wrote this better than I could even say it. I don't think I have read a sentence I have related to so much ever. Its as if we had the same exact experience.

Maybe my mind is not constructed for the use of these substances…)

When I was almost out that's exactly what I said to myself.

A loop - endless inexorable recursion… I sit up and then fall back into a cartoon abyss of colours and Saturday Saturday Saturday… Endless eternal indomitable recursion, an irremediable feedback loop (note : curiously I have always maintained that video/audio feedback loops are the face/voice of god…) – consciousness itself ? Am I at the root of the Hofstadter loop? The MandelThought ? The firmware of my mind ? Is this a breakthrough, pure and horrifying ? Have I disabled the illusion, unbuilt the edifice of « consensual reality » to get down to the base, most reptilian and ancient form of simple consciousness – a terrifying self-referential eternal loop of non-being ? or un-being ? the horror…

I had a loop "endless inexorable recursion" I am in astonishment that someone else has written these words. It is as if you where there.

The universe and our consciousness (common and universal or not) is neither good nor evil nor ambivalent, but rather profoundly indifferent, and as neutral as any void can be. I feel this more than I know it.

Precisely.Precisely.Precisely.

I realize I am no more than a raw ego-less nerve of consciousness, subjected to a nonsensical and arbitrary string of luminescent and aural detritus. (Note : I meant during the trip, but the cynic in me supposes this could be applied to everyday living…)

It felt about as spiritual as a kitchen knife excoriation. I can only conclude that the spiritual aspect of this substance lies in the interpretation of the experience - but that contradicts my very understanding of spirituality as something felt not thought. I don’t…

In this first paragraph I felt this tremendously as I was being torn from that existence/none existence to this previous one. An the second paragraph is bang on. It is not spiritual it was indemonstrably intelligent and unfathomably complex...I mean how do you come back to all you have known and live the rest of your life, after seeing/being involved with that.

I enjoy challenges, but this seems insurmountable, an unassailable task of back and forth and down down down through a self-perpetuating, Sisyphean recursive loop, like a perpetual motion ride past the far reaches of sanity… Where is the value in this ? What wisdom is to be had that cannot otherwise be gleaned ?

This is what I was explaining to other members, there was no lesson. I went out too far. Though as I read you post I am learning something.

is…it…dangerous… ?

Did you find the answer to this?

The main part for me, and I still now keep flickering back to that moment was how can this be my reality. I lived an alternative reality not even in the same humanoid kind of way for a lllong time, then all of a sudden being pulled out of it slowly by you sitters. "HOW can this be possible" my entire reality was fake I'm thinking. And that's when I am coming to this reality from that one. I cant exclaim how devastating that is, and seeing how small this existence is. And its definitely going to happen again weather I smoke or not because we all have to die, then my reality changes again.

Jbark, Care to share you thoughts on what happens after death, you must have thought about it after this. Do we have to pass through that to get where were going, do we go into to that(what do I mean by that its not a that), is this it, could we get stuck in that loop... . Is seems we have had the same overdose with an attached mandatory experience. witch in its self is beyond belief, for another person to be able to relate to this. Well if anything is beyond belief. Thank you so much for posting.

 

[McCoyBoy]

Sometimes I'll release a mini "test-exhale". If I see anything, I know I still need to hold it in longer.

Whoa get's difficult!
Personally I've never had any issues with holding it in too little, even when it's a fact that if you exhale it too soon, you won't get the full dose. I'd say more than 10 seconds is unnecessary judging by own experience(about 50 breakthroughs of different "severity":lol: )...
Besides being too long without oxygen can bring some side effects for the trip, unpleasant ones.
Sometimes also there is a feeling with DMT that I don't need to exhale at all, as the effects begin already when the vapor is in the lungs. That's kind of freaky one...

50 breakthroughs? holy moly, i bow to you sir.

not a single one for me. my GVG just got here, and its beautiful. test run tonight!

 

[mmaeric1]

I've been lurking for a while now, but I had to get on here to post about how happy I am for having listened to the members on this board and buckled down and ordered myself a GVG. This pipe is pure quality. :lol:

 

[Global]

Sometimes also there is a feeling with DMT that I don't need to exhale at all, as the effects begin already when the vapor is in the lungs. That's kind of freaky one...

Yeah, I really started getting this when I learned to do that inhale-hold-inhale-exhale technique I was outlining above. In the middle of holding in my first hit (usually I take two, but I'll be trying your lighter distance technique next time) and everything will be rapidly transforming with holographic hyperimensional objects floating through the room while I'm holding in the equivalent of what must be 5mg (usually load up like 10mg cleared in two shots). I find around 18-20 seconds to be how long it takes to breathe it out without seeing any vapor.

Here's something that I see from time to time (more often than I'd like) that sort of bothers me/has me puzzled that I was wondering if any of you relate to. Among all the beautiful colors, and clear-cut patterns, every now and then I'll see like a transfigured sort of crumpled up patch of brown. Sometimes an entire entity will be sort of fuzzy and brown. It's the one thing in hyperspace that I sort of find to be threatening because I can't tell why it happens (i.e. negative energy, sinister emotions of some sort). The other day as my trip was ending I was zooming into this brown fuzzy entity and he was getting closer and closer, and just as he got around me, I reached up and even though my eyes were closed, I could very physically feel the entity as a magnetic body of sorts between my hands. I was just a little freaked with the entity colliding with me and all and possibly not being of the best intentions. I was wondering if anyone else has seen these odd patches of brown. They look like they don't belong. Like they're a virus in the code or something.