GVG: How much to breakthrough?

[throwawayhypeman]

Hey,

Got pretty much everything I need to breakthrough. GVG, liquid pad, and of course, white DMT.

I will be pre-melting my dose into my liquid pad for a 1 hit breakthrough.

How much mg should I take in order to fully breakthrough AND not be able to resist or have my ego hold me back?

Much appreciated, thanks!

EDIT:

I'm been getting different mixed answers. Some saying 20mg minimum, 25mg minimum, or 30mg minimum.

So my apologies, to be more specific, does anyone with actual successful 1 hit breakthrough experience on the GVG tell me how much mg they needed to have a full breakthrough experience?

 

[Asher7]

Not sure, but you could probably find your answer in the FAQ along with the proper way of hitting it, what to expect etc. and all kinds of other questions that get asked frequently by people starting out exploring dmt.

 

[Jees]

From FAQ which you could find yourself actually, you know what FAQ is I suppose:

yep corpus, its true it varies. So now theres a 'depending on smoking method' disclaimer, and its 30-50mg

(I know with the vaporgenie, 30mg can be enough for a breakthrough, while with the bong and herb sandwhich method I used to need 50-60mg)

Gvg + gvg-liquid pad has a large thermal inertia, you need a good scorching with a torch to heat it all up for a 1 hitter.

 

[throwawayhypeman]

From FAQ which you could find yourself actually, you know what FAQ is I suppose:

yep corpus, its true it varies. So now theres a 'depending on smoking method' disclaimer, and its 30-50mg

(I know with the vaporgenie, 30mg can be enough for a breakthrough, while with the bong and herb sandwhich method I used to need 50-60mg)

Gvg + gvg-liquid pad has a large thermal inertia, you need a good scorching with a torch to heat it all up for a 1 hitter.

I did read the FAQ and there seems to be different responses. Someone told me 20mg minimum in a previous post here and on reddit, FAQ says 25mg minimum, and now your post is telling me 30mg minimum.

10mg is quiet the difference.

My apologies, to be more specific, does anyone with actual successful 1 hit breakthrough experience on the GVG tell me how much mg they needed to have a full breakthrough experience?

 

[Jees]

...10mg is quiet the difference...

People's varying properties and smoking technique (even on same pipe) differs enough to have no standard in this matter. That's why the start low and build up is always advised as the safest way possible. Why wouldn't you follow that advise? Like start at 20 and see what gives. What's the hurry? One day is not the other and choosing doses doesn't mean pin pointing results. For me 20 can do both near nothing and on another day a real surprise. If you're really persistent to BT then 30 in gvg must work almost guaranteed. You need to learn one hitting gvg with that liquid pad though, its a big cold mass to heat up.

Good that you made the edit in the OP, makes it more specific :thumb_up:

 

[LevitatingGod]

How much to breakthrough is dependent on the purity of the product. Say one had a very very high grade tasteless odorless transparent shard or rock-like chunk, one could potentially 'break through' with as little as a 0.01g, however most fluff grades, even white, I have noticed to be a range of 0.02-0.055g to break through.

 

[Aum_Shanti]

one could potentially 'break through' with as little as a 0.1g, however most fluff grades, even white, I have noticed to be a range of 0.2-0.55g to break through.

I think you mean 0.01g and 0.02-0.055g.
But honestly: I have a hard time to believe someone can breakthrough on 10mg. One would have to be really sensitive to these substances to BT on 10mg.
I personally also do not think that purity makes that of a difference from a certain point on. I mean if it's 90% or 100% pure only makes a difference of 10% more material. Most people cannot even weigh it that exact.

IMHO the most difference is still depending on how quick you can vape the substance. If you can do all at once, you need less. (and you certainly shouldn't burn the spice...)

 

[Mister_Niles]

I had one of my most profound breakthroughs with 15mg in a clean VG on a clean copper mesh disc. Keep in mind that this was after ten days of work with sublingual vine extract and dmt. I think there is a reverse tolerance or something, because at the beginning of the cycle it took me 23mg to breakthrough... and then there was that 37mg one on the same day. Still have a hard time talking about that one. Entities recommended the dosage

It could be technique or reverse tolerance, but I have had experiences that may have been breakthroughs on as little as 10mg according to my notes. Entity contact, being in a different place or being every place. Not knowing who or what I was.

The large doses seemingly brutally murder my ego. Over longer periods of work (usually including 10-20mg sublingual doses of vine extract), eventually achieving what I consider to be breakthrough is much more pleasant. My ego learns that it is just going to sleep for a few minutes and there is no breathtaking ego in a hyperspace blender thing.

It takes practice. It takes work. Go ahead and try 25-30mg. 35-40 even. It's not going to kill you. It might get you to put your GVG away for a year or so, but....

 

[An_Observer]

I hope that there is a shifted decimal and some conversion issues there. It is best to start low and slowly work your way up to where you are comfortable. Say start at 20mG and work on up 5mG at a time to get a handle on things since everyone reacts differently to different dosages. For instance, a lot of people seem to have profound experiences vaping 30mG while a few have gotten there with 20mG and I require upwards of 50mG and that can even be inconsistent at times. Just take your time and play it safe. Definitely don't want to start upwards of 100mG or even think about anywhere near 500mG :?:

 

[LevitatingGod]

one could potentially 'break through' with as little as a 0.1g, however most fluff grades, even white, I have noticed to be a range of 0.2-0.55g to break through.

I think you mean 0.01g and 0.02-0.055g.
But honestly: I have a hard time to believe someone can breakthrough on 10mg. One would have to be really sensitive to these substances to BT on 10mg.

I personally also do not think that purity makes that of a difference from a certain point on. I mean if it's 90% or 100% pure only makes a difference of 10% more material. Most people cannot even weigh it that exact.

IMHO the most difference is still depending on how quick you can vape the substance. If you can do all at once, you need less. (and you certainly shouldn't burn the spice...)

I did mean 0.01g lol thank you. I know it make seem hard to believe but 10mg of purer grades can be hefty. Purity goes on indefinitely. The difference between 99.9% pure and 100% pure is an infinite number of 9s. Purity goes on forever so the strength of the substance itself can be 'impossibly' strong.

I agree with the ability to incinerate it all at once being a useful way to have a wholesome experience.

 

[Mister_Niles]

Just NO. No. No. No. You do not want to "incinerate" ANY of the dmt. This is why the OP bought a vaporizer. They want to volatilize the substance not pyrolyze or incinerate it. If you've been burning your 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% pure dmt, you should try another approach. You are wasting it. Vaporizing will allow you to use smaller doses. Maybe you could extract less in that case. You'll probably get better results with a vaporizer. Smoking changa works, but I believe the real magic comes from dmt that is vaporized before the cherry reaches it and burns it up.

You should check out the DMT Nexus. There is a huge amount of information on the proper use of dmt on the site.

 

[LevitatingGod]

Just NO. No. No. No. You do not want to "incinerate" ANY of the dmt. This is why the OP bought a vaporizer. They want to volatilize the substance not pyrolyze or incinerate it. If you've been burning your 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% pure dmt, you should try another approach. You are wasting it. Vaporizing will allow you to use smaller doses. Maybe you could extract less in that case. You'll probably get better results with a vaporizer. Smoking changa works, but I believe the real magic comes from dmt that is vaporized before the cherry reaches it and burns it up.

You should check out the DMT Nexus. There is a huge amount of information on the proper use of dmt on the site.

I'm sorry.. I meant incinerate as in when the crystal slowly turns to a clear goo, it'll begin to bubble and once it does that it will slowly start to smoke then all of it will bubble away together almost immediately upon bringing the torch a tiny bit closer very slowly. It burns clean off the glass to if made properly and smoked properly. I didn't mean incinerate as in how you took it, sorry for the wrong terminology. I use a torch and pilo and I've gotta say IMO it's perfect the way I've come to use it. To each it's own, though.

 

[Mister_Niles]

Just trying to be clear. Clarity of information is what this site is all about.
As a devotee I would urge you to Join the cult of the GVG. You won't be disappointed. That or find a good vaporization device.

Also: Post your tek. Enough with the mystery.

 

[3rdI]

good morning LevitatingGod, welcome to the nexus

I use a torch and pilo

can you tell what a pilo is, please, im not familiar with one, i did a quick google search and the first hit was one of these

 

[Mister_Niles]

I think it's also known as a bulb vaporizer or meth pipe. Also used for burning dmt.
Burnt dmt gives me such a terrible experience. I prefer vaporization personally.

 

[LevitatingGod]

Just trying to be clear. Clarity of information is what this site is all about.
As a devotee I would urge you to Join the cult of the GVG. You won't be disappointed. That or find a good vaporization device.

Also: Post your tek. Enough with the mystery.

Inform me of this GVG you speak of please

 

[Jees]

...Inform me of this GVG you speak of please

VG VaporGenie: How to use, where to get, advantages, etc - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Mister_Niles]

^^^^^Worth every penny. I bought the axe case too. Worth it IMO. The Zico branded lighters from ebay are cheap and last a long time. This device (and a good mg scale) are an essential part of a good dmt rig IMO. There are other options that work well, but this seems like it was created with dmt in mind, which it probably wasn't... but it's close to the perfect tool for the job when combined with a copper mesh disc. I've yet to try the ceramic flavor stone thing, but hear it works as well or better than mesh in the GVG.

Seriously: This thing makes vaporizing dmt easy. And if you get a good technique, you can break through on very low doses and never taste burned spice again.