Thanks for that. :thumb_up: Sorry for the sidetrack; I should've studied Heulas question in the OP before I took up half the loving page.:roll:
Heulas said:
As far as i know, everything is fine, except for the "5%/15% Halogenated Hydrocarbons" which is the only compound i can't find people talking about here on the Nexus, could be this compound the problem?
I dunno.
pitubo said:
One of the reasons why using ethyl chloride is not practical is its low boiling point: 12 degrees centigrade.
I'll vouch for that, as demonstrated in my first, and so far only, experiment with EtCl as a solvent and a safer (?) route to Mescaline HCl (?) without the need for the added muriatic or dreaded HCl gassing. I'm good with the H; it's them Cl- what makes me nervous.
It was A/b of potent cactus with ethyl acetate as my organic phase (if that makes sense, sorry I'm in over my head here. I'm more conversant in the humanities, "right brain", associative, unqualifyingly qualitative, metaphoric social science slice of the entheogenic pie... y'know: nonsensical bullsh&%). Anyway I wanted to see if EtAc would be a useful addend to my cactus extractions (for the same reasons, not safe but not as dangerous as some other chems, and a possible route to mescaline acetate as the ester broke down (hydrolyzed?) into EtOH and acetic acid, also not safe
per se but not
as dangerous
?: ?) as some solvents... On a whim I decided to combine two experiments in mescaline freebase solubility in unknown solvents: first pulling with ethyl acetate out of basic layer and then further refining by dissolving the EtAc extract into our halogenated hydrocarbon, EtCl. (thoroughly unscientific hackery I know). I decided to use the can of poppers I'd snagged on a trip to the Castro's sex shops for its labeled purpose: as a solvent, to selectively

?: ?) pull actives out of a dirty EtAc extract resin—as one has wont to do.
"Well...Ok then." I thought as I read the words on the label of "Slam N. Mann Brand:
Hog Wild II" or some ridiculous who-are-we-kidding name. "100% Ethyl Chloride: Solvent" the label proclaimed of its compressed liquid contents in perhaps the most paper-thin ploy at plausible deniability perpetrated on the public since
"for tobacco use only.",
SWIM, "medicinal" cannabis infused jalapeno-lime corn crisps, with a branding that rivaled
JLF "Poisonous Non-Consumables" in its show of straight faced
CYA.
"Solvent. Yeah, I guess it is..." I said, musing at the prospect of being perhaps the only hippie-queer from the Hill to Castro and Church who would actually be using his poppers
as intended, as stated by the manufacture, Slam N. Mann, not as the dissociative anesthetic/smooth muscle relaxant inhalant that was the rocket fuel for the most consciousness-expanding, soul melding moments of transnational sex over a year long affair with a beautiful Arab man-bear-pig who sought political asylum in the US... *sigh*... This can of
Hog Wild II ethyl chloride—what I presume is the sequel (
"II"?) to the popular
Hog Wild solvent—would instead be used as directed as solvent, in this case, for a mixture of water insoluble cactus alkaloids, fats, volatiles, chlorophyll compounds, and residual plant waxes... (Turns out ethyl acetate pulls a lot of that
gunk out of the basic phase, along with an apparently moderate share of freebase alkaloids compared to d-limo, a small portion of which extract was redissolved into the EtCl.)
sigh... حبيبتي. I miss my sexy-pig. :|
Long story short... the EtCl "clean up" experiment had mediocre results, resulting in a precipitate that crashed out over 12 or so hours in a manner analogous to that described in the ephedrine experiments of Steldt (1940). But god-only-knows what the hell I actually ended up with:
someblackguy said:
The ethyl acetate did not seem to pull much at all from the cactus, only a disappointingly faint, urine colored broth that evaporated leaving chlorophyll and some kind of yellow oil. The precipitate that formed after this was dissolved in EtCl (chloroethane poppers) did not appear in the EtAc and may be an insoluble salt remnant from the initial extraction or an artifact of the interaction between the haloalkene and the amine—the HCl salt of some alkaloid.
Overall disappointing but hopeful that some actives are present ether in the greenish liquid or the white precipitate... bioassay will follow soon.
meh...:|
And I can't whiff of the stuff without remembering the guy that kicked my heart. But he was a whooole lotta fun.
In both cases the solvent precipitated more problems than it solved.
I used an ice bath to keep it liquid. This whitish sandy cloud precipitated