Harmala powder

[OneFive]

Hi, im just looking for a quick and easy way to extract harmala from syrian rue.
I've read a few teks but i wanna be doing it tomorrow night so i can have my infused caapi leaf ready for a weekend trial.
I have 50g of syrian rue.
I'm planning on bashing the rue up in a bag with a hammer:twisted: (i've already destroyed 2 blenders and 2 coffee grinders with mimosa)
Then adding some distilled water (i dont know how much)
Also adding some lemon juice (i dont know how much)
Boiling it up for 30 mins / Filtering it.
Then what do i do? Boil it some more or let it evaporate, if it will evaporate, i have no idea.
And i should have harmala powder.
I need 1 gram.
I'd appreciate some advise.
Thank you

 

[shanedudddy2]

I personally get a spectrum of alkaloids with my method, that still contains some excess base.
I do 2 30 min boils with lemon juice, keep the liquid.
let it settle for an hour, discard the gunk, keep the liquid /re-filter.
I then base the solution till I see the freebase precipitating.
I then let this precipitate settle over 30min to an hour.
Following this, I discard as much liquid as possible, then keep the precipitate.
I then add and heat this precipitate with a minimal quantity of vinegar.
This should disolve the precipitates, but leave any remaining gunk.
Filter the solution, to keep the liquid.
I then freebase using sodium hydroxide again, and keep the precipitate.
Rather than letting it settle once, and continuing on, I would add fresh water after each filtering to dilute down any remaining base in my precipitate.
I do this 3 times.
The final precipitate (with a bit of excess liquid...basically impossible to remove all the liquid) is thrown on a dish, and put it in the oven on a low temp, and hey presto, wide spectrum rue extract that works wonders for me
I understand that this will not result in as pure of an extract as an Manske, but I find it quick and easy...and sure as HELL beats drinking rue liquid or eating rue seeds *VOMIT*
Why do you only need 1 gram? sounds a very low dose imo.

PS. I have damaged countless blenders with local acacia bark, but a small spice grinder would have no problem with the rue.
What causes all my blenders to break is the force required to cut strong bark.
This creates high amounts of heat.
This heat then melts the plastic connectors that couple the blade arm to the motor.
For some crazy reason, next to all blenders use some cheap plastic for what is essentially the most crucial component of the blender (besides the blade and motor)

 

[dreamer042]

Patience is a virtue my friend.

If you get at following one of the fine teks for harmala extraction in the wiki right away you may be able to make your deadline, but it is strongly advised not to rush. Proceed slowly and carefully making sure you understand the process and you will most assuredly end up with satisfying results.

As an aside if you want something very quickly you can try something akin to a 10x by making a strong rue tea by boiling 3 x 30 minutes, combining the boils and evaporating onto your plant material; or by soaking the rue in alcohol and evaporating that onto the plant material. It's not as clean but it will work and can be done fairly quickly.

Alternately you can make nice a tea and dose orally prior to your session for similar effect.

 

[Metanoia]

The tao of rue is the only way to go. At least if you're looking for freebase harmalas to smoke. The cleaner the better, especially with rue. At least that's my opinion. Caapi is different, you can do crude extractions and infuse some leaf or other herbs. But with rue I try to get it as clean as possible.

Take the time to follow the tao step by step. It's worth it.

 

[OneFive]

Hi, thanks for all your replies.
I am a complete novice in the world of botanics :?
I think this harmala extraction is gonna take some time,effort and learning.
Shouldnt my end product be a powder?
So i can then dissolve it with DMT and infuse them together into some Caapi leaves.
Many Thanks again !: high 5)

 

[Metanoia]

Yes, if you want to make a changa, your end result will be a freebase powder very light tan in color. You can get it white, but light tan is good enough for changa mixes.

The Tao of Rue Extraction - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Just follow the Tao and you'll be fine. It can be pretty time consuming, but not overly complicated. Have patience because you'll be doing this extraction for several days at least. The secret is to filter, filter, filter. Get your rue tea as filtered as possible before your first basification.

 

[OneFive]

Yes, if you want to make a changa, your end result will be a freebase powder very light tan in color. You can get it white, but light tan is good enough for changa mixes.

The Tao of Rue Extraction - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Just follow the Tao and you'll be fine. It can be pretty time consuming, but not overly complicated. Have patience because you'll be doing this extraction for several days at least. The secret is to filter, filter, filter. Get your rue tea as filtered as possible before your first basification.

Hi, this might be a dumb ass question but why exactly do I need harmala in my changa? I understand it slows the dmt process down in your system, slightly or am I just wrong
Cheers.

 

[Metanoia]

Without an MAOI, it wouldn't be changa. It would be enhanced leaf

I wouldn't say it slows it down...maybe makes the experience a little more calm. And less alien and chaotic. It definitely prolongs the experience and makes it more...workable, if that makes sense.

If you have caapi leaf then you could just infuse your DMT onto that and it would essentially be a changa, because the caapi leaf does contain harmalas. But if you were to go through the whole harmala extraction process and add some relatively pure harmalas to your blend, you'd definitely notice the difference. Caapi leaf on its own might be okay for you. I personally need a pretty high amount of harmalas to really feel it.

 

[OneFive]

Can some one help me with this part please.how can I tell the ph by eye

Do the exact same process as step 5 except if you want to separate the harmine from the harmaline you'll want to raise the ph to 8.75 and filter. This will give you approx 92% of the harmine. You really don't need a PH pen to do this, it's quite possible to do it by eye.

 

[OneFive]

Can some one explain Step 11 - Base & Separate from the tao of rue in simple English,, for a novice like me I don't quite get it

 

[3rdI]

if you want a mix of harmine/harmaline then add sodium carbonate and collect the resulting precipertate.

if you want to separate the harmine/harmaline then add sodium bicarbonate until colour change stops, then collect the precipitated harmine and keep the liquid.

when you have separated the harmine from the liquid, add sodium carbonate until the colour change stops then collect the precipitated harmaline.

you can now disgard the liquid.

Bi-carb precips the harmine

carbonate precips the harmaline.

 

[Randomness]

I'm planning on bashing the rue up in a bag with a hammer:twisted: (i've already destroyed 2 blenders and 2 coffee grinders with mimosa)

When your not in a hurry try putting the rue in a jar with some vinegar covering it over and popping it in the microwave.

Heat for 45 sec to a minute a couple of times and the seeds will expand absorb the vinegar and go all soft. Leave them like this for a bit and then proceed with any of the teks on the nexus. You will find that the alks come out nice and easy and filtering is so much easier than if you grind the seeds into a powder. I got a 4% yield doing it like this.

Next time I extract I'm going to try steeping in a glass thermos instead of the boils as they stink out my kitchen to much

 

[OneFive]

if you want a mix of harmine/harmaline then add sodium carbonate and collect the resulting precipertate.

if you want to separate the harmine/harmaline then add sodium bicarbonate until colour change stops, then collect the precipitated harmine and keep the liquid.

when you have separated the harmine from the liquid, add sodium carbonate until the colour change stops then collect the precipitated harmaline.

you can now disgard the liquid.

Bi-carb precips the harmine

carbonate precips the harmaline.

Sorry to be such a muppet but do i want a harmine/harmaline mix?
Whats the difference, what do u do?

 

[OneFive]

I'm planning on bashing the rue up in a bag with a hammer:twisted: (i've already destroyed 2 blenders and 2 coffee grinders with mimosa)

When your not in a hurry try putting the rue in a jar with some vinegar covering it over and popping it in the microwave.

Heat for 45 sec to a minute a couple of times and the seeds will expand absorb the vinegar and go all soft. Leave them like this for a bit and then proceed with any of the teks on the nexus. You will find that the alks come out nice and easy and filtering is so much easier than if you grind the seeds into a powder. I got a 4% yield doing it like this.

Next time I extract I'm going to try steeping in a glass thermos instead of the boils as they stink out my kitchen to much

Thanks ill be doing your microwave trick tomorrow night

 

[OneFive]

ok. i know what im doing now, thanks for all your advise.
Ill let you know how my changa turned out and show some pics, if uploading is easy on this site..
Cheers:thumb_up: