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Harmine and Harmaline Separation - My Photo Tek - Telepathine Tek
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Very nice work guys!
Endlesness, given that you have very pure harmalas at hand ,could you please have at look at the following:
Try dissolvinng small amount of harmine, harmaline and ,harmine + harmaline (lets say 100 mg,100 mg and 50+50 mg respecively) in Alcohol in different test tubes ,let for a day or so in room temperature and evaporate them seperately.
As you can imagine this could be a test on "Harmala red" ,from which compound it forms and if indeed its a harmine/harmaline reaction byproduct or if its something else in the plant turning into harmala red. I think more or less such a test will be conclusive on whats happening, even better if somehow one could get the samples analysed afterwards. The reason i am proposing a retest on "common knowledge" about harmalas, is that a) in Merck index harmala alkaloids are said to recrystalise from alcohol so if they reacted they wouldnt propose it as a re-x solvent, b) whiterasta's methods utilise alcohol and still no problems appear as far as activity goes ,c) i have seen people doing multiple alcohol (ethyl alcohol) washes/solutions of crude harmala alkaloids and they retain activity.
Hmmmm any feedback on such ideas? The material Endlessness and others have presented that is a bit off white seems premium for such experiments.
Endlesness, given that you have very pure harmalas at hand ,could you please have at look at the following:
Try dissolvinng small amount of harmine, harmaline and ,harmine + harmaline (lets say 100 mg,100 mg and 50+50 mg respecively) in Alcohol in different test tubes ,let for a day or so in room temperature and evaporate them seperately.
As you can imagine this could be a test on "Harmala red" ,from which compound it forms and if indeed its a harmine/harmaline reaction byproduct or if its something else in the plant turning into harmala red. I think more or less such a test will be conclusive on whats happening, even better if somehow one could get the samples analysed afterwards. The reason i am proposing a retest on "common knowledge" about harmalas, is that a) in Merck index harmala alkaloids are said to recrystalise from alcohol so if they reacted they wouldnt propose it as a re-x solvent, b) whiterasta's methods utilise alcohol and still no problems appear as far as activity goes ,c) i have seen people doing multiple alcohol (ethyl alcohol) washes/solutions of crude harmala alkaloids and they retain activity.
Hmmmm any feedback on such ideas? The material Endlessness and others have presented that is a bit off white seems premium for such experiments.
crystalito, I do want to make these kind of tests.. two issues here is, I dont have ethyl, its just too expensive here.. I have some isopropanol, though, so I can test with that instead.. I will also redissolve whatever red material is left in acidified water and see if zinc dust turns it back into the original compound..
but this will have to wait a couple of weeks to be tested as I dont have much left but ordered some rue to xtract more
but this will have to wait a couple of weeks to be tested as I dont have much left but ordered some rue to xtract more
Ah very very nice! If the same reaction has been reported with any alcohol (or at least the "major ones" people use in most forums due to availability Isopropyl, methyl etc) then it will substitute finely!
Hehe, sometimes its worth testing "common/established knowledge", there are many times where such re-evaluations have led to further findings/explanations, even reversals of initial "facts".
Hehe, sometimes its worth testing "common/established knowledge", there are many times where such re-evaluations have led to further findings/explanations, even reversals of initial "facts".
