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Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue

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acolon_5 said:
This is not my tek but the author is unknown so I cannot give due credit to the correct person.

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Step two:
Dump the seeds and wash the pot you were using. Boil some water and add rock salt (important to use rock salt because there is noting add to it, regular table salt fas stuff add to it. If you have to use table salt, make sure it doesn't have Iodine in it). Keep adding rock salt to your booiling water 'till No more disolves, so now you have a super saturated salt-water solution....

Step three:
Strain the hot salt water into you hamarla boilings to keep out the salt rocks, Only adding enough salt water so that you have 2 or 3 parts harmala-water and 1 part Salt-water. I try to make sure that I have 3 times as much harmala solution as I have salt water.
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Note: Kosher salt is the kind of rock salt to use because by definition it's pure NaCl, un-iodized. While rock salt could be any old thing with adulterants and what have you. Make sure to check the ingredients on the back of SWIYs kosher salt when buying them.

Its even better to cook with kosher rock salt in the first place 😉
 
Dagger said:
soulfood said:
I can only guess it doesn't work so well as most would rather spend time in filtering hell than throwing down some eggs. But then again some people do approve.
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I think it is inertia. People just don't want to try new things. It has to be talked about again and again, and in the end it might pick up speed. Then you got the ball rolling :)

And yes, it does work well.
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It works beautifuly, but I only found out after messing up my first boil. The ph was probably too high (about 3) and the egg white refused to solidify and was impossible to filter.

I've droped the ph of the second boil to about 5, and tried again. This time the cooked egg white raised to the top or solidified in the concoction, and the filtering of 1,5 litres took about 2 minutes with super clean results. The same tea before was impossible to filter.
I've ruined this one too though, I've tried to basify with calcium carbonate.:roll:

I was using sodium bicarbonate to drop the ph of the tea the second time from ~3 to ~5 and the tea became slightly milky. Was it the baking soda or the alkaloids percipitating? If it was the alkaloids, is it possible to drop the ph and the same time keep the harmalines in solution?
 
So sublingual is the best method of ingestion for the freebase harmine crystals, could you dissolve them in an amount of liquid and drink that to combat the bitter taste? Also, does the sublingual method cause nausea?
 
You shouldn't dilute it in liquid if using it sublingually. It will be less effective that way. Place it directly under your tongue and hold it there for about 5 minutes.

They are less likely to cause nausea when used sublingually, but will if you take a huge overdose.
 
ron, you mentioned around 10mgs would be a sublingual harmaline/mine mix dosage for potentiating vaporized dmt.. but what about for ingesting dmt orally, does the sublingual dosage change? and how long before should it be done, same half an hour before as when orally taking the harmalas?

and what about if there are some possible sodium carbonate traces in the final product, would that make it burn/be discomforting sublingually?
 
yea thats what I keep thinking, couldn't there be toxic chemical traces in those crystals your putting in your mouth? yuuck
 
toxic traces are only possible if you use toxic chemicals. But SWIM doesnt use toxic chemicals, he uses food-grade chemicals to make his harmala extractions. SWIM uses vinegar, pure sea salt and sodium carbonate, which can be made by just baking sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) in the oven. Sodium carbonate has a high pH, which is the reason I asked the question. A high pH of small amounts of sodium carbonate might be uncomfortable/slightly burn, but it wont be really dangerous.

Using ammonia would guarantee it would have no remains of the basifying agent as ammonia evaporates completely but it stinks like hell. Sodium carbonate doesnt evaporate so one should filter it dry so that the water with sodium carbonate drips out. thats what SWIM did but it was still a bit moist when he put it on a plate to fully air dry, which means whatever little remains of sodium carbonate probably just stayed in the final product as the final water evaporated. It was for sure not much but SWIM wonders if indeed it will make it uncomfortable for sublingual use
 
Very good questions.

I don’t know if MAOIs taken sublingually will activate oral DMT. SWIM never tried that combination.

SWIM always uses sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide whenever possible in all his extractions because he has them in food grade form, so they are safe in small amounts. As you know, because they are pretty strong bases, they can burn your mouth if placed in the mouth at a high concentration.

1 mg of calcium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide is not enough to do anything to your mouth. If you took 10 mg sublingually and it was contaminated with 10% of either base, which is highly unlikely, that would amount to only 1 mg of base.

If you’ve taken the pH up to just 11 with sodium carbonate, and not 11.4, then the water used contained less that 1% sodium carbonate and the rest of the sodium carbonate added converted to sodium chloride (table salt). A solution of 1% sodium carbonate has a pH of 11.4. As long as you don’t bring the solution to 11.4, the amount of free sodium carbonate left in your final product will be less than 1%. So if you took 10 mg of harmine that was freebased at pH 11, it would contain less than 0.1 mg sodium carbonate. If you used a buchner funnel and sucked all the dilute sodium carbonate water out of the precipitates, you'd probably have less than 0.01 mg sodium carbonate in a 10 mg dose.
 
If you're worried about traces of sodium carbonate being a problem, do a wash with filtered and diluted lime water. Lime water is water saturated with calcium hydroxide to 0.185 %. If you diluted lime water with 3 parts pure ware, it would contain 0.04625 % calcium hydroxide. If you washed your final product in that solution, it would wash out all the highly water soluble sodium carbonate and sodium chloride that might be present. Calcium hydroxide burns less than sodium carbonate because it’s poorly water soluble. After washing with diluted lime water, your product should be free of sodium carbonate and sodium chloride and contain less that 0.04% calcium hydroxide if sucked dry on a buchner funnel. Such product at 10 mg sublingually would contain less than 0.004 mg calcium hydroxide.
 
Hi folks.

In a few days SWIM's going to do his second harmaloid extraction, after his first half messed up attempt (much red and bad filtering yield 2g impure salts from 100g seeds).

Aside not using alcohol for this extraction SWIM is going to be using egg whites to aid the filtering process. What SWIM wanted to know was, when applying the egg whites is it more advisable to use it on the collective brew after the initial boilings or is it best to use it on each before you simmer the amount down to an easier to handle amount?

Also is it a good idea to let the mix cool down, then mix in the egg whites and then apply heat until the egg surfaces?

Thanks muchly in advance!
 
soulfood said:
when applying the egg whites is it more advisable to use it on the collective brew after the initial boilings or is it best to use it on each before you simmer the amount down to an easier to handle amount?
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Just do it once.

Also is it a good idea to let the mix cool down, then mix in the egg whites and then apply heat until the egg surfaces?
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Let it cool down first. Doing it while it is too hot might cause the egg whites to coagulate before they have time to react with the particles in the brew.
 
Dagger said:
soulfood said:
when applying the egg whites is it more advisable to use it on the collective brew after the initial boilings or is it best to use it on each before you simmer the amount down to an easier to handle amount?
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Just do it once.

Also is it a good idea to let the mix cool down, then mix in the egg whites and then apply heat until the egg surfaces?
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Let it cool down first. Doing it while it is too hot might cause the egg whites to coagulate before they have time to react with the particles in the brew.
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You're beautiful. Thanks :)

It's common sense really but I don't trust myself since the IPA incident.
 
Dagger, what's the lowest ph you can go with using the egg whites? At ph3 the egg whites just wouldn't cook for me.
Also thanks for this info, it makes filtering extremely easy and takes only 2 minutes instead of 2 hours!
 
69ron said:
Very good questions.

I don’t know if MAOIs taken sublingually will activate oral DMT. SWIM never tried that combination.

SWIM always uses sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide whenever possible in all his extractions because he has them in food grade form, so they are safe in small amounts. As you know, because they are pretty strong bases, they can burn your mouth if placed in the mouth at a high concentration.

1 mg of calcium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide is not enough to do anything to your mouth. If you took 10 mg sublingually and it was contaminated with 10% of either base, which is highly unlikely, that would amount to only 1 mg of base.

If you’ve taken the pH up to just 11 with sodium carbonate, and not 11.4, then the water used contained less that 1% sodium carbonate and the rest of the sodium carbonate added converted to sodium chloride (table salt). A solution of 1% sodium carbonate has a pH of 11.4. As long as you don’t bring the solution to 11.4, the amount of free sodium carbonate left in your final product will be less than 1%. So if you took 10 mg of harmine that was freebased at pH 11, it would contain less than 0.1 mg sodium carbonate. If you used a buchner funnel and sucked all the dilute sodium carbonate water out of the precipitates, you'd probably have less than 0.01 mg sodium carbonate in a 10 mg dose.
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took long to notice.. thanks a lot for your answers ron... I guess there wont be much problem of sodium carbonate residues then. SWIM also prefers food grade teks if possible, thats why he is happy it can be done with harmalas.
 
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