Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue

[melotikaci]

I got plenty of rue seed too ...i just wanted to start low as a test to to get the method right.. and see how much crystal equals ..[one dose]..

Because 2 and a half grams is usualy considered one good dose for rue tea...

I also figured that the crystal harmala is much stronger and if i could see and weigh one dose of crystal rue i would know what dosage i was taking..

I was thinking of saftey not being cheap with rue seed!

Generally speaking rue seeds contain ~5% of harmala alkaloids. I usually get around ~3% from extraction (TEK). You can make approximate calculations based on that.

If you think you added too much salt, you can dissolve it in hot water, base, filter and dry well(check the tek for more info). Then convert it to salt again or use freebase for vaping.

 

[starway6]

If you think you added too much salt, you can dissolve it in hot water, base, filter and dry well(check the tek for more info). Then convert it to salt again or use freebase for vaping.

Thanks for info!..melotikaci


Do you think ..rue freebase.. will vaporize well?..and if so at what temperature?

 

[melotikaci]

Thanks for info!..melotikaci

Do you think ..rue freebase.. will vaporize well?..and if so at what temperature?

That's what I always do. I vape it 5-10 minutes before dmt or mix with weed. It's better vaped if mixed with other herbs, but can be smoked alone using simple pipe. It can take much higher temps than dmt so you cant go wrong with any device.

~15mg is enough for MAO inhibition and you can go higher if you like the effects(kinda mix of drunk and high but with clear head), I've gone up to 50-60mg and I loved it. Prolongs trip for 20-40 minutes and creates whole new depths to explore.

 

[starway6]

in acolons tec top of first page there is something that doesnt make sense...?




his is not my tek but the author is unknown so I cannot give due credit to the correct person.

What you need:
Syrain Rue
Salt (rock salt or iodine free table salt)
Distilled water
Vinegar


[EDIT: There seems to be some problems with steps two, three and four.. instead of doing step two with some water and then mixing this salt saturated solution to the rue tea, better to straight away add salt to the rue tea, saturating it with salt. No need to add cold water as said in step four. Just saturate the liquid from the rue boilings with water, which should be around 20-30g salt per 100ml liquid, and then put it in the fridge overnight, thats it]


Just saturate the liquid from the rue boilings with water, which should be around 20-30g salt per 100ml liquid, and then put it in the fridge overnight, thats it]



[[[[20 to 30 grams of salt per 100ml??????:shock: ]]]


20 or 30 grams of table salt would fill a 100ml jar up more that half way leaving very little room for the liquid/?:shock:

Would this amount of salt be overkill? resulting in lots of salt crystals mixed with the harmine?

Too much salt that will later end up in final product?

 

[Infundibulum]

20 or 30 grams of table salt would fill a 100ml jar up more that half way leaving very little room for the liquid/?:shock:

Would this amount of salt be overkill? resulting in lots of salt crystals mixed with the harmine?

Too much salt that will later end up in final product?

Dissolve 20 g of salt in 50-60 ml of water, then adjust the final volume to 100 ml in a separate vessel, then mix with the harmala acetates.

Too much salt is not overkill, harmala hydrochlorides can be washed many times in the fridge overnight with ice-cold water with minimal loss.

 

[starway6]

Too much salt is not overkill, harmala hydrochlorides can be washed many times in the fridge overnight with ice-cold water with minimal loss.

I guess im not understanding how all this salt in reduced volume of water will disapear/?

how do the hydrochlorides get washed away in the fridge overnight?

do i rewmove the salt water gradually over night and replace with water?

20 grams of table salt is a good pile of salt..just dont want 20 grams of desolved salt to re crystalize in dish as it cools in the fridge leaving me a pile of salt in the morning ?

 

[Infundibulum]

Too much salt is not overkill, harmala hydrochlorides can be washed many times in the fridge overnight with ice-cold water with minimal loss.

I guess im not understanding how all this salt in reduced volume of water will disapear/?

how do the hydrochlorides get washed away in the fridge overnight?

do i rewmove the salt water gradually over night and replace with water?

20 grams of table salt is a good pile of salt..just dont want 20 grams of desolved salt to re crystalize in dish as it cools in the fridge leaving me a pile of salt in the morning ?

The salt does not disappear, it dissolves in the water. If you are worried it may not dissolve, try 10 g of salt in a total volume of 100 ml water as per original Manske. The least you can do is try it.

As long as you mix the salt solution with the harmala acetates and leave in the fridge, , the harmala hydrochlorides will precipitate and will not be dissolving in water any more. At this stage you can remove the water (in w/e way you refer, e.g. decant, filtrate etc) and be left with harmala hydrochlorides sludge.

This sludge will have traces of table salt. Add tap water and leave in the fridge for a few days. The harmala hydrochlorides will precipitate and the residual table salt will be dissolved in the added voluem of water.

 

[Jees]

... Add tap water and leave in the fridge for a few days. The harmala hydrochlorides will precipitate and the residual table salt will be dissolved in the added voluem of water.

Must try that, thank you. I've never digged into the solubility of harmala hydrochlorides in cold water, the wiki only sais: "soluble in water" without mentioning different temperatures.

 

[starway6]

Too much salt is not overkill, harmala hydrochlorides can be washed many times in the fridge overnight with ice-cold water with minimal loss.

I guess im not understanding how all this salt in reduced volume of water will disapear/?

how do the hydrochlorides get washed away in the fridge overnight?

do i rewmove the salt water gradually over night and replace with water?

20 grams of table salt is a good pile of salt..just dont want 20 grams of desolved salt to re crystalize in dish as it cools in the fridge leaving me a pile of salt in the morning ?

The salt does not disappear, it dissolves in the water. If you are worried it may not dissolve, try 10 g of salt in a total volume of 100 ml water as per original Manske. The least you can do is try it.

As long as you mix the salt solution with the harmala acetates and leave in the fridge, , the harmala hydrochlorides will precipitate and will not be dissolving in water any more. At this stage you can remove the water (in w/e way you refer, e.g. decant, filtrate etc) and be left with harmala hydrochlorides sludge.

This sludge will have traces of table salt. Add tap water and leave in the fridge for a few days. The harmala hydrochlorides will precipitate and the residual table salt will be dissolved in the added voluem of water.

ok thanks...this is a bit easier to understand ..



So as long as i can desolve the salt in water and remove it later.. and the harmala doesnt desolve in the water im ok!

After searching rue history.. on line.. i found out that rue grows wild in the desert! not shure what species though.... and i could drive there in a few hours if need be..

I guess some farmer planted a few seeds back in the 1920s or 30s and it grows abundantly now..

 

[starway6]

Forgot to say that i ground up 100 grams of rue seed in a blender like a powder... now its a struggle to filter the stuff because now it like filtering thisk paint through a filter extreemly slow unless i add a lot more water...

Hey they say that rue glows green in front of a black light...

After the boiling.. i washed out my pots and while rinsing the pot.. THE WATER I POURED OUT LOOKED emerld green in day light! with the sun shining!!:thumb_up:

How could this green show up with out a black light?

 

[Infundibulum]

How could this green show up with out a black light?

Sunlight has UV wavelengths too.

 

[melotikaci]

Forgot to say that i ground up 100 grams of rue seed in a blender like a powder... now its a struggle to filter the stuff because now it like filtering thisk paint through a filter extreemly slow unless i add a lot more water...

Grinding is completely unnecessary if you boil it 3-4 times for ~60 minutes each.

 

[starway6]

Well..this being my first atempt to get rue crystals didnt produce large pretty crystals.. but i ended up with something just as good ..i think..

I used the simple tec using... rue seed..salt..little vinegar..and.. grain alcohol..after grinding the seed unessesarily too fine.. i had trouble filtering it.. but finely after.. boiling and filtering..drying ..

I then added my grain alcohol and found that after stirring most of the crystal sludge seemed to mix into the.. 95 percent.. 190 proof grain alcohol.. fairly easy?..[according to the tec the crystal sludge would not mix in?...just the harmala only should mix?

Well i was a little discouraged by this but put the brown fluid under a fan and waited..and as the alcohol evaporated it began to get a thin skin on the surface of the mix still moist underneath..

Then after drying much longer ..the surface skin began to get little holes in it.. then looking at the holes with a magnifing glass i observed ..[thousands of tiny brown straight spikes].. that apeared like tiny straight crystals all interwoven into each other similar to the stitch of fine cloth under a magnifying glass .

I continued to evaporate the choclate browne colored mix till it shrunk to the bottom of the dish and after all night i looked at it and it looked just like a thin chocolate browne or cookie on bottom of dish..

I then scraped it and formed a nice ..thin dark brown sugar color.. and crumbled into a fine brown powder that should store easily and would be easy to put into capsuls...

Now i gave it the taste test...and it was extreemly bitter!! not a trace of salt taste...

maybe this stuff will work...:thumb_up: