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Hearing the call of the DMT Dimension...

You could stop running from it and use tinnitus as a meditation support. Why use breath when a sound that you find disturbing is always there?
One could develop one hell of a shamatha practice based on it. After a few years of it, when you've started to kind of love the sound, just ask yourself: Who is hearing it?
When your attention shifts 180 degrees, and you are where there is no you, but just pure being left, all is done. There will be no need for any DMT or most of the mundane stuff at that point...

Why did I write it? Just to show that there are always different approaches to the so-called problem. One's problem is another's solution.

Peace 🙏
Hey, yeah, its kinda been on my to-do-list for a long time. For the moment when i try to meditate after a nice yoga session. And all tinnitus is is a distraction and it feels hard to focus on the 'noise'. But I have read success stories of meditation for Tinnitus. I'll need to get over the annoyance of the noise.
I'm mostly very good a distracting myself with activity, music listening or making, etc etc

Would you recommend meditating in a quiet room and just focus on the tinnitus?

Thanks
 
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Would you recommend meditating in a quiet room and just focus on the tinnitus?
No need to create some specific situation, just meditate on tinnitus whenever you can. See it not as an annoyance, but as an object of meditation (a useful tool).
I think it's called nada meditation in the yogic tradition. They use the inner sound (similar to tinnitus) that everyone can hear if they focus on hearing.

Whenever you notice tinnitus during the day, take it as a free meditation and pay attention to it for a few minutes. As they say, short sessions many times. That way you'll develop one hell of attention, change your relationship with tinnitus, and create a stable practice of introspection.

You both are blessed 🤓
 
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OK, I've never thought of it like that.... cue me looking even more vacant than usual, my Resting Yoga Face is bad enough! I'll be having a great time, shutting my eyes and focusing inwards as much as possible but I'll look like a right morngy Tw@ on the outside!

Cheers
 
OK, I've never thought of it like that.... cue me looking even more vacant than usual, my Resting Yoga Face is bad enough! I'll be having a great time, shutting my eyes and focusing inwards as much as possible but I'll look like a right morngy Tw@ on the outside!

Cheers
You can do it with eyes open if you want. Tinnitus should just be an anchor to fall back to when you get distracted. So, 10% of your attention is more than enough to put on it.
The other 90% should be used to be aware of everything happening at the moment. And don't worry about your face; you can always use tinnitus as an excuse, and most people will buy it right away.

Be smart about your meditation. No need to create a separate practice. It's much better to integrate it into your life: one minute here, a few minutes there. You'll get far more results that way. Why did tinnitus come your way if not to be used by you? Everything is a teacher if you see it as such.

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Why did tinnitus come your way if not to be used by you?
A very philosophical way to think of Tinnitus..... just done 50mins or so of Yoga bringing myself back to the high pitched screech each time. I'm usually backwards to this and its when I realise I've not noticed it that it pops back into mind.
 
I can only back up the above posts. Tinnitus since 25 years ago. Two separate pitches in one ear and a solid single one in the other. I have learned to use it as a meditative aid. When that fails, I just play music when going to sleep to cancel it out.

I do sometimes dream of pure silence, but I've got to wait for that time, not in a rush to get there..
 
I used to enjoy silence.
I get a low pitched bvvvvvvvvvvvvb bass note in my ears too when its time time to lay in bed.
Maskings; I need my attention to be elsewhere, or even driving a van with the radio on to get about the right sound level.
 
I've yet to notice a carrier wave, but then again my Tinnitus is pretty loud anyway
Its quite distinct from tinnitus, which I also have, and you will be able to recognize it if it occurred but that is probably the closest descriptive phenomena.

I highly doubt that psychedelics are a top-down approach to awakening. The higher self dwells in your Heart, and it governs what the ego can get access to. It's basically a firewall that guards you from yourself. Whatever high psychedelic state you achieve, it was meant to be and approved from on high. The door to higher realms can't be opened by the ego, because it's a level of magnitude higher than it.

What you are describing is basically another way of saying the same thing. Attaining to levels of God Realization, eternity, infinite consciousness, and various kinds of peak experiences often equated with advanced meditative attainments or even that terrain which is the goal of the path, this is exactly a top down path to awakening.
Now that doesn't mean the top you reach is an absolute or 'the top' which may be ever deepening, but it is very much a touching with the higher self and from that vantage, actualizing these positive changes into ones life. There is no possibility of doubt regarding this process as it unfolds.


Gradual awakening exists only from our viewpoint, too. The ultimate is instantly attainable, because it forever exists in the Now.

Gradual awaking and sudden awakening need not be conflicting models. An almost instantanous awakening on DMT or 5-MeO-DMT may be a textbook definition of a sudden awakening, but that in no way discounts the neccessity of doing the gradual hard work of integration and self transformation required over time to bring the insights and positive changes into ones life. There is no shortcut to this. Thus sudden and gradual are both valid and mutually compatible.
 
That is a really good point Pan, couldn't agree more.

Those types of experiences can be much easier in the moment than the integration. The hardest part I find is trying to keep remembering your higher truths while going about the mundane routines of life.

Personal truth experiences, especially with vaped DMT, can show us things that are unequivocal. Beyond any doubt. Immediately after the experience starts the process of our rational waking brain finding ways to doubt it.

Then we try to remember but it may never feel so true ever again.

We tend to think of the drug induced state as the strange part. But it is not at all. What is strange is that we wake up and have to spend the rest of our life predominantly existing in this utter madness that is going on.

Trillions and trillions of living things moving autonomously. Eating each other. Or trying really hard to not be eaten. Self replicating.

so now, after talking to god while on drugs, we have been catapulted into the endless distraction of life on earth.

I think what is difficult about integration is not what the crack pipe showed us. It's trying to accept the nature of this madness on the rock ball that is the real problem.
 
That is a really good point Pan, couldn't agree more.

Those types of experiences can be much easier in the moment than the integration. The hardest part I find is trying to keep remembering your higher truths while going about the mundane routines of life.

Personal truth experiences, especially with vaped DMT, can show us things that are unequivocal. Beyond any doubt. Immediately after the experience starts the process of our rational waking brain finding ways to doubt it.

Then we try to remember but it may never feel so true ever again.

You are right here on so many levels, and you touch on some extremely important points which tell me you have come very far in your personal path.

The first is about doubt of the reasoning mind after the experience. This is simply the ego mind trying to maintain some control. This is frankly why I don't even come to some forms of psychedelic discussion and even here too often, because as good as some of the discussions can be there is often just a huge amount of doubt about the experiences and what they mean, and indeed about a higher order metaphysical framework for understanding them.

Some of it can be framed as healthy skepticism but while that is necesssry with any exploration, it crosses into fear based doubt far far too often in my view. I get that, and each person must cross this in their own time but for me personally, I am well beyond that stage - and it is a stage that must be passed to get the most out of ones journeys.

The reasoning mind thinks its doing well and keeping in control of the situation by doubting the experiences and deeper esoteric or spiritual frameworks for reality that it is opening one up to. What many people dont realize is that when you go beyond doubt, the path and the experiences significantly progress also to a level simply not possible when operating on doubts or on an excessively skeptical set of assumptions and beliefs.

I recall sharing a bit elsewhere (there's far more I could share but choose not to) about some of my other experiences in which some of the visions had been verified in normal waking reality in the form of synchronicities with precognitive knowledge that subsequently came true, and some people unsurprisingly tried to doubt and even were hostile to the veracity of these experiences. Just because its beyond your level of experience and conviction that that it could happen, doesn't mean its beyond others or that it didnt happen. Repeatedly in this case and well beyond doubt.

In fact, precognition and incredibly improbable synchronicities are one way that these truths can be verified to help the reasoning mind, by giving one direct evidence of the knowledge one receives in higher states of consciousness in ones daily life as indeed true knowledge.
As has been said , "synchronicity is a conduit to the divine".

I have no doubt whatsoever regarding the existence of the "Dimension of God" that I am interfacing with through DMT and Harmalas, thus it has entered into this reciprocal form of communication with me through 'the call'. I initially had doubts about this also, but after gradually seeing the correspondences in my life as well as getting corroboration from a few others that they have likewise experienced it, this doubt was crossed and now the communication occurs more as a guiding presence to help me fulfill the path I am supposed to be following.


We tend to think of the drug induced state as the strange part. But it is not at all. What is strange is that we wake up and have to spend the rest of our life predominantly existing in this utter madness that is going on.

Trillions and trillions of living things moving autonomously. Eating each other. Or trying really hard to not be eaten. Self replicating.

so now, after talking to god while on drugs, we have been catapulted into the endless distraction of life on earth.

I think what is difficult about integration is not what the crack pipe showed us. It's trying to accept the nature of this madness on the rock ball that is the real problem.

This you are absolutely right about also, and its worth a more through discussion at a later time but you are absolutely on point that we oftentimes have it essentially backwards in our perception of what is the norm and the reality. Psychedelics can help reverse this and indeed that is the goal of the spiritual path, and why contemplation of death of the personal identity is emphasised so often in these traditions.
 
I definitely dont think the frequency of Changa is a problem or that it should generally tend to being problematic.... In fact it would interesting if that sharp, clear awareness was brought in more regularly and intentionally with a meditative approach which is what it tends toward.

Can you elaborate a bit more on your last sentence? I would like to make sure I am understanding it correctly.

I mean weren't you the one who asked me a while back something to the effect of how could I not heed the call :LOL:

That clarity, that sharp clear mindedness and high definition presence noticeable most on low doses or during entry before hyperspatial visions take over, is akin to a more mindful meditative mindset in many regards.
There is a reason that psychedelics such as psilocybin, DMT+Harmalas and 5-MeO-DMT are being studied both combined with and compared with meditation practices and have shown favourable outcomes in synergizing with one's practice.

So I am speaking as per a prior post when I talked about top down and bottom up approach to awakening; the DMT consciousness is bringing that awareness more to bear on ones experience, and then one needs to also do the work more consistently from a baseline non-drug state to bring the mind to greater presence, and they will reciprocally strenghten each other over time.

Now regards the call, I am observing more the reciprocal nature of it regards intent and commitment that I have spoken of. So I have been dealing with various degrees of partial lockout recently again; a fascinating thing itself, in that I have no tolerance to speak of. I will be shown something quite deep in a powerful experience and then....nothing a while later. Previously I was able to be blasting off again but it seems now that I have been inducted into what we have been calling a kind of "Hyperdimension self development plan", it has become much more directed and purposeful both in terms of the experiences themselves but even now in terms of when I will be granted access to the space.

So I wrote most recently about a Third Eye opening experience after smoking and that I could feel resonances of sensation in the Third eye region days afterward while at baseline.
Now I have never been that consistent in my meditation practice, yet I have over the years come across various systems that emphasize working with the breath energy, prana, chi or energy sensations that can be felt in the body to change with the breathing. In particular some of these methods emphasise working with these energies throughout the whole body with emphasise along the chakra points in particular.

Like I said I have never got far with them due to lack of discipline even though I have known for some time that if I do so, it will be of benefit in daily life and will be synergistic with the psychedelic experiences. Now, most recently on Harmala + DMT, I had another incredible clarity of depth experience which seemed like a navigating of the initial steps of the ladder to the "Mind of God" through a 4D Escher piece while looking at a patterned mandala like rug.

At the same time there was again this profound sensation of activation in the Third Eye region. I was amazed and after it abated took another toke...and nothing. Waited a while and tried again...nothing but a lockout.
The message, now sequentially combining with my previous experience seems to be clear ; develop the meditation practice focusing particularly on the third eye region and breath energies in the body, and after sufficient time you will be called to come back.

This where I stated the DMT Dimension is acting as the meditation teacher so to speak, giving an experience of the higher state and activating certain regions then requiring you to do the the work in between so that once you have reached a higher level of virtue and baseline clarity it is able to unfold ever greater depths of experience when you partake. And thus it progresses.
 
I ain't gonna lie, I made sure to play with 10mg before responding. I wanted to have some sympathetic resonance in my reply.

That clarity, that sharp clear mindedness and high definition presence noticeable most on low doses or during entry before hyperspatial visions take over, is akin to a more mindful meditative mindset in many regards.
There is a reason that psychedelics such as psilocybin, DMT+Harmalas and 5-MeO-DMT are being studied both combined with and compared with meditation practices and have shown favourable outcomes in synergizing with one's practice.
Okay, this is what I kind of was leaning towards in your other response. I tend to agree. The space that it elicits, particularly in low dose, is one of keen mitigation. While not necessarily any easier, it is much more productive to say, interact with a problem in life, in such a space and state and from personal experience, it does lend itself outside the space, with the proper work that is.

So I am speaking as per a prior post when I talked about top down and bottom up approach to awakening; the DMT consciousness is bringing that awareness more to bear on ones experience, and then one needs to also do the work more consistently from a baseline non-drug state to bring the mind to greater presence, and they will reciprocally strenghten each other over time.
Indeed, and I say this broadly, it's still not as simple as smoalking, even low dose, regularly. It's that component outside the space, that the space directs one towards, where the "real" work is done, and such work is what will lend itself towards longevity in the space and in deeper experiences.

Now regards the call, I am observing more the reciprocal nature of it regards intent and commitment that I have spoken of. So I have been dealing with various degrees of partial lockout recently again; a fascinating thing itself, in that I have no tolerance to speak of. I will be shown something quite deep in a powerful experience and then....nothing a while later. Previously I was able to be blasting off again but it seems now that I have been inducted into what we have been calling a kind of "Hyperdimension self development plan", it has become much more directed and purposeful both in terms of the experiences themselves but even now in terms of when I will be granted access to the space.
Do you feel this would shift if there was no priority on the visual aspect of the experience?

So I wrote most recently about a Third Eye opening experience after smoking and that I could feel resonances of sensation in the Third eye region days afterward while at baseline.
Now I have never been that consistent in my meditation practice, yet I have over the years come across various systems that emphasize working with the breath energy, prana, chi or energy sensations that can be felt in the body to change with the breathing. In particular some of these methods emphasise working with these energies throughout the whole body with emphasise along the chakra points in particular.
I am going to encourage the same as these practices encourage. There's something there, especially when you add psychedelics on top. Really, the addition of psychedelics seems to be an accelerated path.

Part of my practice as a guide involves the somatic linkage that is so often neglected.

One love
 
That clarity, that sharp clear mindedness and high definition presence noticeable most on low doses or during entry before hyperspatial visions take over, is akin to a more mindful meditative mindset in many regards.
Who says that this clarity is what we should pursue in our meditation practice? I feel like your judgment is based on how it benefits you in your day-to-day life, so it immediately becomes an egoic pursuit of a rainbow unicorn. Yes, these experiences have their place and value, but the whole path is about developing wisdom. You don't need any HD vision for that. Extreme focus on visual candy is misleading, and you should see how open and flexible you become instead. It may not be your case, but I wanted to point it out.
So I wrote most recently about a Third Eye opening experience after smoking and that I could feel resonances of sensation in the Third eye region days afterward while at baseline.
Now I have never been that consistent in my meditation practice, yet I have over the years come across various systems that emphasize working with the breath energy, prana, chi or energy sensations that can be felt in the body to change with the breathing. In particular some of these methods emphasise working with these energies throughout the whole body with emphasise along the chakra points in particular.
Firstly, the subtle body is mental and as real as DMT visions. Secondly, the 3rd eye is just one hub in an intricate system. It's useless to build a beautiful house on a shaky foundation. Similarly, developing astral vision without balancing the whole system misses the point. It is one thing if it's a natural development in your practice, and quite another when it comes from your so-called understanding. Ego will never help you, so your ideas will just lead you astray. As Sri Ramana often mentioned, the Ego is like a thief who took on the role of a policeman. A whole lot of investigation would be made, but no one would ever be caught.
This where I stated the DMT Dimension is acting as the meditation teacher so to speak, giving an experience of the higher state and activating certain regions then requiring you to do the the work in between so that once you have reached a higher level of virtue and baseline clarity it is able to unfold ever greater depths of experience when you partake. And thus it progresses.
Yes and no. Life is your teacher, and at the depth of your heart is your guide. Any unique state can show you a new angle on reality and give basic lessons in impermanence. What is consistent throughout all your experiences? I'd say it's awareness or "I am." What is that, then?

DMT is a nice tool, but the teacher is you. Even if you had Buddha living with you 24/7, it would still take your own effort to get anywhere. Yes, DMT helps to train your energy body and shows the possibility of a higher energetic state, but the result is your own effort. When you're going somewhere, you're using a car, but it's not the goal of your journey. You'll get farther with a car, but at some point you need to go on by yourself, especially if you're aiming for the highest peak of a mountain.

We don't really see eye-to-eye. I think the difference in our approaches is that you are still seeking something in these realms. There is nothing there but more of the same magic that we call reality. It's all about you, not something you see. Although at some point, there will be no difference. Go on then, I'll encourage you on your quest.

Just never forget that there are no absolutes.

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I love the intrinsic and unavoidable contradiction of this sentence ;)
It perfectly reflects my approach. The whole of existence is one big paradox and cannot be understood intellectually.
I tend to write very dogmatically, but I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing. Hopefully, my writings trigger people, and they see their own bias.
Better be open to life and embrace it fully. Stories are good to tell near a fire in the dark of the night (or day, where I live).

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Do you feel this would shift if there was no priority on the visual aspect of the experience?

I am going to encourage the same as these practices encourage. There's something there, especially when you add psychedelics on top. Really, the addition of psychedelics seems to be an accelerated path.

Part of my practice as a guide involves the somatic linkage that is so often neglected.
I would agree, this is a valid point. We do tend to prioritize vision but the somatic aspects can be equally or even more important and its a good reminder to keep a lookout on different modalities of sensory acuity that may be present still. However currently as I experience it, lockout tends to be across all aspects the partial lockout aspect tends to be either a somewhat muted or reduced experience, or else a hugely powerful experience following by nothing at all which is where I said it seems to be deliberate to emphasize a point.


Okay, this is what I kind of was leaning towards in your other response. I tend to agree. The space that it elicits, particularly in low dose, is one of keen mitigation. While not necessarily any easier, it is much more productive to say, interact with a problem in life, in such a space and state and from personal experience, it does lend itself outside the space, with the proper work that is.

Indeed, and I say this broadly, it's still not as simple as smoalking, even low dose, regularly. It's that component outside the space, that the space directs one towards, where the "real" work is done, and such work is what will lend itself towards longevity in the space and in deeper experiences.
Yes, you are spot on here also and this is what is great about this kind of work in that it is essentially about developing an all-around practice whether inside or outside the space, integrating the insights and mindset and bringing this in, such as there is ideally a reciprocal progression in the different domains of life and different states of consciousness.
 
I would agree, this is a valid point. We do tend to prioritize vision but the somatic aspects can be equally or even more important and its a good reminder to keep a lookout on different modalities of sensory acuity that may be present still.
It's very human to be caught by wonder... maybe it's part of being conscious because deer do too.

Yes, you are spot on here also and this is what is great about this kind of work in that it is essentially about developing an all-around practice whether inside or outside the space, integrating the insights and mindset and bringing this in, such as there is ideally a reciprocal progression in the different domains of life and different states of consciousness.
I feel like this is the deciding factor for people to stick with it and for those that bail after it gets real.

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Who says that this clarity is what we should pursue in our meditation practice?
So what are you suggesting as an alternative, lack of clarity? The essence of meditation is to establish greater presence and clarity, this naturally fosters wisdom and insight over time. The role of psychedelics in helping facilitate this is backed by a lot of research now also.

I feel like your judgment is based on how it benefits you in your day-to-day life, so it immediately becomes an egoic pursuit of a rainbow unicorn.
This is a nonsensical statement. Unless you are trying to convey something and the words you have chosen are failing to convey whatever it is you were trying to say. We are all trying to improve and benefit our lives - which includes our day to day life. Exploration of peak experience is a part of this also. What else would we be doing?

Yes, these experiences have their place and value, but the whole path is about developing wisdom. You don't need any HD vision for that. Extreme focus on visual candy is misleading, and you should see how open and flexible you become instead.
Where did I ever say that being more open and flexible was not a part of it, or that it should be done 'instead'?

the 3rd eye is just one hub in an intricate system. It's useless to build a beautiful house on a shaky foundation.
If you had seen my earlier posts on this thread, you would have seen there has been a constant mention of building of foundations. Foundation of ethics and virtue being first.

Similarly, developing astral vision without balancing the whole system misses the point. It is one thing if it's a natural development in your practice, and quite another when it comes from your so-called understanding. Ego will never help you, so your ideas will just lead you astray.

Well, why dont you tell that to the DMT :LOL:

"You're introducing things in the wrong order, you're supposed to be bringing in a whole intricate energy system, not just emphasize the third eye chakra"


Yes and no. Life is your teacher, and at the depth of your heart is your guide. Any unique state can show you a new angle on reality and give basic lessons in impermanence. What is consistent throughout all your experiences? I'd say it's awareness or "I am." What is that, then?

DMT is a nice tool, but the teacher is you. Even if you had Buddha living with you 24/7, it would still take your own effort to get anywhere.
Yet what is this teacher at the depth of ones heart? Where do "we" end and where does "God" begin? Did you never hear the phrase that God is found within?
Saying "the teacher is you" in a sense of we practice and learn via trial and error is not really saying anything. Of course this is the process yet we still need teachers who have walked the path before us.

In this case the DMT Dimension/Mind of God is very much acting as the guide and teacher itself to activate and show the path and higher states within. This is not of my own efforts, and nor do I have any experience or much prior knowledge of these states aside from a basic conceptual idea, but I have a role to play in practicing and fulfilling the path that is shown and that is down to me. One of the biggest mistakes some people make is thinking psychedelics will do all the work for them but this is far from being the case.


Yes, DMT helps to train your energy body and shows the possibility of a higher energetic state, but the result is your own effort. When you're going somewhere, you're using a car, but it's not the goal of your journey. You'll get farther with a car, but at some point you need to go on by yourself, especially if you're aiming for the highest peak of a mountain.
You are bringing out a whole set of assumptions and reactions here. Void, myself and perhaps one or two others on here are those who have thus far reported experiencing 'the call' phenomena, and it is a mapping out of the process as we experience and interact with it.

So I dont think anyone is really in a position at this point to make presumptions regarding what it is, its purpose or how it will unfold. Its something I am open to and trying to adhere to what appears to be the message and direction being given. I am curious as to how Voids experience with the call and his relationship to it may unfold parrallel to or different to mine also.

In fact the whole experience as it is occurring is quite crazy when I stand back and reflect on it even to me as a fairly experienced psychonaut, which is why I had been sharing it in real time as it unfolds.

I did not expect the - 'carrier wave call' to be occurring at all outside the DMT space which is where this thread began as an observation, not really expecting anyone else to be experiencing the same thing. I did not anticipate it subsequently being interactive with my intent, I did not anticipate it leading to lockout until I purified my virtue, and I did not anticipate it seemingly now introducing some kind of Kundalini energy system and essentially instructing me how to practice to develop further.

I am curious as to where it is unfolding of course and my feeling is if I want to continue this whole psychedelic venture, I better had make efforts to do what it says. It doesn't feel 'fun' it feels serious and that there is a duty here. A calling as such.

I have little knowledge or experience of these types of meditation systems outside of a basic picture. In fact, I am specifically not going to overload on learning about them now with book knowledge because the Harmalas + DMT are showing me a path of cultivation which I am going to adhere to as it presents itself, and I don't want to in a sense jeapordise the data by filling it up with too many conceptual models outside of what it is directly revealing to me and and guiding.

How much this unfolding experience and practice may end up matching established systems remains to be seen, but one thing I have learned is dogmas and established wisdom often doesn't fully match experience of these realities where one attains them oneself.
 
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