hell again

[skinwalker]

Sorry to hear about your negative experience (an understatement I'm sure).

I'm reminded of the words of Don Juan in Casteneda's material: "We are luminous beings and for a luminous being only personal power matters."

Overall would you consider yourself to be an empowered person, one who knows who he is and his value as a spiritual being? How connected do you feel to your essence? How much love fills your heart each day? (I'm not trying to insinuate that any one of these could be your problem, just trying to offer perspective)

Are you afraid of hell? What's your upbringing like as far as fire and brimstone religions are concerned?

I ask all these things because as we often speculate with regards to hyperspace that it is a door into the collective unconcious and there are many, many themes of hell, fire, and brimstone echoed throughout the collective psyche. It could be possible that if you had already had a certain aspect of your mind attached to some of these concepts (you mentioned the place seemed familiar so maybe you were even aware that it sits in the back of your mind) that, with just a dash of fear thrown in, you could spiral into a truly hellish experience.

Another thought. Have you read Stanislav Grof's booke The Holotropic Mind? He devotes four chapters of his book (available for free in pdf format, just google it) to correlating different negative experiences in psychedelic states to potential complications during birth. For instance, he claims that right before the fetus is born, it experiences an absolute confusing hell with no possible way to know what is happening to it or why or if it will ever stop. The womb starts to contract on the fetus causing extreme discomfort, chemical agents are released causing the unborn child to experience unpleasant sensations, etc. He claims that during psychedelic therapy sessions he was able to revert people back as a witness to their own birth to help them sort out some of the complications that caused them to have all sorts of psychological disadvantages in life. The correlation he draws between psychedlic archtypes of hell and punishment are directly related to this physical process we all go through with varying degrees of difficulty.

I'm only speculating I haven't had the torn-to-shreds trip yet (I hope not to but it may be unavoidable for everyone). I would really recommmend you download the pdf and at least read those first four chapters (only about 50 pages or so) and I think it might really help shed some insight into why you might have experienced that hellish place and why it might have seemed so familiar to you.

Until then, I'm sending you all my compassion and healing love

very interesting stuff here. Heavy, yes i apparently did have complications when i was born, cord wrapped around my neck and i guess i came out blue... was quite a emergency i'm told. Also no i do not have the hell and fire upbringing regarding religion. Nor have i really cared that much about it. Prior to DMT i did not believe in a hell. also what i experienced was NOT FIRE AND BRIMESTONE by anymeans it was far worse. Another point is that the majority of my dmt trips I was shown asiatic artitechture and hindu gods, both of which i have no prior experience with. Yes i was brought up as a christian but became somewhat athiest as i got older, and pledge to no singular themed relgion.

I will read the pdf file you mentioned and really appreciate the lead. Who knows maybe some answers there. I assume being born would be a process of suffocating (I was) confusion, abuse, loud noise, and pain. One interesting point is that when this happened to me i was in a fetal position and naked.... (which would lend some credance to your suggested theory) thanks

 

[skinwalker]

With all the emphasis on the familiarity of this hell... I automatically think of BIRTH. It's not too farfetched to think the DMT has opened up some deep-buried information channels. Being born is probably more hellish than dying.

That's my intuition as well OP. Read that book I mentioned, I really think it might help shine a light on things.

wow very intersting it might also explain my familiarity with the situation. I'm not trying to say this is the explination for the event, however it is a powerful theory that demands attention. I'm honestly fasinated and hopeful this may be true.

 

[skinwalker]

i'm going to read the file now, only problem i have with this theory is that while i was there i remember there being many rooms to this place. Almost like a prison. finally as i somehow was brought out of it i remember seeing a gigantic machine like structure to the entire building as if the building itself was part of a machine that was somehow being powered by those insides sufferings. I often question if this was a false memory as I suddenly "snapped out of it for amoment" that I myself imagined or what.

However as i was basically half in/half out of it, something was carrying me out of that place (angel?...myself?...a doctor pulling a baby?) dunno. But i dont want to write off my warning quite yet. We are dealing with a hyperintelligent beings. *paranoid comment warning* they can find logical conclusions to persuade anyone. I mean i cant really argue with the logic of your possible theory, its true, at the same time it likely has nothing to do with what happened its just a theory that certain elements DO explain parts of my story...(a perfect cover story to hide the truth...) or.. i'm just being paranoid and rambling Either way i'll download the file now and spend some time reading.

http://esotericonline.net/docs/library/Astral%20Projection/Stanislav%20Grof%20-%20The%20Holotropic%20Mind.pdf

 

[MySmelf]

You're a frightened little tit mouse with a head full of bogeymen. Spare us your scary rhetoric.

lol just proves you've never gone "as deep" as i've gone. You have no idea fear is such a childish term for what i went through. I think eternal infinate severity PAIN would more suffice. Fear ? lol the shit i've seen and done in the real world would have most of you shitting your pants. I'm afraid of the PAIN, i had no idea such pain could exist, and their is no ceiling as to how severe it will go. Obviously none of you believe or understand or care what i went through. Not that you should care, but why ignore the warning of a fellow psychonaut who actually may have peeked alittle further behind the curtain than most and saw creatures and entities that do NOT have you best intentions at heart? Your all mesmarized by the ohhhhh bouncing jeweled eggs and shit... while your souls are being experimented on and raped.

Its so easy to manipulate mankind from their perspective, you all so willingly come to the feast. I wont check in again for a while and its sad that my concerns will of course be unheeded.

OH COME OFF IT!! Stop projecting everything outside yourself.

From your posts you seem to have some pre-existing issues your not acknowledging let a lone dealing with. You say you don't fear death or had beliefs about an afterlife before these experiences yet you have a website dedicated to the paranormal and traveled the world investigating "hotspots". You also tried to use DMT to contact the dead. No preconceived notions? No fear of death?

You don't think DMT is a reflection of yourself only amplified exponentially? It will grab a thought or feeling and fly away with it a million mph. You think its real because you had no control over it and the pain was unbelievably intense? Of course you had no control. It(your own mind!) was taking you exactly where you feared the most!

I've been there.

I was outside sitting by the fire having vaped from the GVG and was having a difficult experience. I realized I had been in a down/negative mental state all week. I thought twice about trying to push through it and decided to go for it. I packed a bowl of changa and took a big hit. Almost instantly the fire became a demonic dancing entity. A cascading multiplicity of myself encircled the fire and the rest of reality disappeared into darkness. The fire demon was dancing more frantically, laughing, mocking and saying "You asked for it this time!".
The fire entity started growing bigger and getting more demonic looking while my circle of selves was drawing in closer. I thought "Oh God, this is going to HURT!" No sooner did I think that and I was engulfed in the fire. I felt it burning through my flesh and to my core. My head felt like it was going to pop, blow apart from my boiling brain.
But I accepted my fate, I had brought this on, I had wanted this. I let go and took it all in. When there was nothing left of "me" and the pain reached the point of madness my head popped! I was an infinite point connected to the eternal source and it was amazing, pure bliss! I had transcended my hell. I felt healed. For the next couple weeks I felt just great. Purified by fire!

Nothing outside of yourself can cause greater pain or pleasure than yourself.

 

[skinwalker]

these projections are external from the "self". You will find countless people on this very forum who agree with me on that topic. I noticed the dmt community believes either its some unconscious internal manifistation or it really is a gateway to infiniate realities, with actual entities beyond our comphrehension which really do exist within them.

Your one the 50% of people who believe in the internal vs external theory. The things i personally saw and was told (in many of my HUNDREDS of experiences with DMT and Ayahuasca) prove to me an external source unconnected to any experience i've ever had prior knowledge of. Whether these entities are able to unscrew my head and peer inside my own memories and play with them... i would answer that with an absolute yes.

 

[MySmelf]

these projections are external from the "self". You will find countless people on this very forum who agree with me on that topic. I noticed the dmt community believes either its some unconscious internal manifistation or it really is a gateway to infiniate realities, with actual entities beyond our comphrehension which really do exist within them.

Your one the 50% of people who believe in the internal vs external theory. The things i personally saw and was told (in many of my HUNDREDS of experiences with DMT and Ayahuasca) prove to me an external source unconnected to any experience i've ever had prior knowledge of. Whether these entities are able to unscrew my head and peer inside my own memories and play with them... i would answer that with an absolute yes.

These things are not so black and white, internal vs external. Everything we experience is a mix of internal and external stimuli including psychedelic experience. I do feel that psychedelics offer a more expanded view of reality and may allow the experience of higher dimensions. But your statements are quite beyond rational thought.

Your posts in reference to your history, attitude, fears and beliefs strongly suggests internal issues.

"HUNDREDS of experiences with DMT and Ayahuasca" in how long of a time period? "dmt has shown me amazing things over the past 1+ years"
Maybe you've just been tripping a little to often?

 

[skinwalker]

i've estimated it to be around 115 times in the past 1.5 years. I was realy going for the gusto there.

 

[Bill Cipher]

Good god, man. Grow a spine and take responsibility for your actions.

One can get burned in hyperspace on trip #1 or #115. As we all know, the malleability of the psyche and its ability to adapt to the experience is a fragile thing at best, forever at the mercy of whatever the fuck ever and it's seemingly capricious whims. Now, the man of character and critical thinking takes something from this experience - says for example, "I may have been overdoing it and had my ass handed to me as a result", while the man of no character externalizes it all, says "My soul has been raped by scary monsters and the same will happen to you", and never considers that what they have seen may be a reflection of themselves.

My hat's off to all who dare to look directly into the sun. This thing we do takes nads of steel, and for those who get burned, I salute you. But take your ass kicking like a man and stop your confounded whining. You've seen enough. I think we all get it. Now go forth and heal (somewheres else).

 

[Ice House]

My hat's off to all who dare to look directly into the sun. This thing we do takes nads of steel, and for those who get burned, I salute you. But take your ass kicking like a man and stop your confounded whining. You've seen enough. I think we all get it. Now go forth and heal (somewheres else).

Thank you Art, said soooo eloquently, as always.

 

[skinwalker]

while the man of no character externalizes it all, says "My soul has been raped by scary monsters and the same will happen to you", and never considers that what they have seen may be a reflection of themselves.

soooo saaaaays you..... and you are? Oh apparently the self appointed Judge of Man. I judge no one, and without knowing me i find it comical to be judged. Especailly as NONE OF US has true full understanding of what we are dealing with regarding DMT

 

[unclesyd]

Especailly as NONE OF US has true full understanding of what we are dealing with regarding DMT

So true, but yet from some of your posts you do seem so sure about some of your ideas. Not to attack you so much as others have, I actually find some good stuff along with other nonsense ideas you have stated. But I believe most of us here to be guilty of such things, refer to the above quote. Just maybe take some more of your own advice.

I did fairly quickly scan this thread, and so excuse me if I am off base. I have been to hell many times during my travels, and the first few times being very scary. Once I realized what was happening I attached myself to the clear light and was taken out of there, but if one would get stuck there...I feel for you.

Yes DMT and other substances have the ability to be heavenly and devilish. I am sure I am butchering this quote for sure but something like," To the depths of hell, or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic." Love that. Being under the influence can illicit either response, and I whole heatedly disagree with you that no one should take this drug(types of drugs)(maybe one of the things I misinterpreted).

Even the rough ones have a huge amount of things we can learn about ourselves and the experience. And ultimately your soul is yours and the only way something control it is if you let it. I mean we are of one consciousness, but we each have individual choices, ie. free will.

I will relate now one of my most fascinating trips to hell, was very early in my endevours and so maybe was twice as profound than such things would occur to me now. But I was in the pits of hell, fire, lava, brimstone. Demons flying threw the air with tortured souls in their grasps. The devil an ever looming figure in the distance commanding this evil place. Here I was smack in the middle, up upon the cross. I forgot exactly what happened, but I was gazing upon such a place, and realizing I was there meditated on the clear light of being. An army of angels then descended down and a war erupted. I was lifted from such a place upon the clear light and wow was the most wonderful experience.

Another experience I had just a month or two ago I was looking in the mirror. I love pressing my face against the mirror and peer into my soul..... among other things. Somehow though the devil appeared before me. Not in his giant dragon monster form, but his more human form. I said hello there my old foe, how has it been. He stares more deeply at me. He questions my reasoning about the creation of man. I then told him straight to his face that he was my biggest mistake, that he was my biggest disappointment, that I should have never created him. Well he didn't like that too much. I think he was also somewhat shocked that I had the balls to step up to him, like if most people succumb to his ............ shit.

Anyways, my main point is your not the only one to go to hell. Maybe you had a more difficult time relating that to your life having such a profound and painful experience. And thank you for sharing your theories about such things, and best of luck integrating this.

 

[haxxorz]

"It takes a brave man not to give a damn"

 

[endlessness]

I judge no one

lol just proves you've never gone "as deep" as i've gone..... You have no idea ...... lol the shit i've seen and done in the real world would have most of you shitting your pants.... Obviously none of you believe or understand or care what i went through

contradiction.

Especailly as NONE OF US has true full understanding of what we are dealing with regarding DMT

Your all mesmarized by the ohhhhh bouncing jeweled eggs and shit... while your souls are being experimented on and raped.

contradiction

You complain about being judged but there you are judging how others havent been as deep as you, dont know what a difficult experience is, etc. You talk about how nobody understands dmt and then you are here preaching to us about the evil entities that are eating us alive and that you, out of everybody, are the one that knows The Truth.

Well let me tell you something, the Nexus is no place for this. I suggest you read our attitude page too, because this kind of "and shit" childish cursing adn confrontational attitude has no place here. If you want to share an experience and an interpretation, even if its not the standard one, by all means do it, but respectfully. But if you come here to tell us whats Truth for us (instead of your own personal experience that relates to nobody but yourself), well then I dont think this is the right community for you. Dont like DMT? Dont use it anymore! Sounds very simple to me. Coming to a community called DMT-Nexus to say how nobody knows about the evils of DMT and that people havent gone as deep as you is a sure way to get a fast ticket out.

 

[tetra]

Bravo, endless, bravo.

 

[polytrip]

I don´t believe that there are entities who will rape my soul. People experience so many things they think are real (When i was on shrooms i once thought that the mayor of my town had a secret dungeon with missing childeren in it). It would be odd that out of all the unlikely things people have seen or experienced, your hellish visions would happen to be 'reality'. Why not the big spaghettimonster? Why not the australian-aboriginal belief that we all live on the back of a big sleeping lizard named jarawara?

I don´t think any of it is real. Maybe we´ll all meet again in hell one day and you can tell all of us:'i told you so'. I´m willing to take that risk.

 

[skinwalker]

Maybe we´ll all meet again in hell one day and you can tell all of us:'i told you so'.

odd you say that, i was just logging in just now to make that exact same comment....

after this experience I'm daily making altercations to my current life to avoid such an unfortunate "told-ya-so" meeting in the after.

yes to another poser, yes we have free will thats about the only thing you own, that you can say is truely yours, and that you have any control/domain over. Otherwise, we are powerless worms in face of the forces which inhabit that realm. Lie to yourself and let your ego disagree, but i know its true. They (whatever inhabits this realm) only interest is in this free will... everyother part of your soul/body/consciousess is a puppet with them pulling/cutting? the strings.

 

[tetra]

Maybe we´ll all meet again in hell one day and you can tell all of us:'i told you so'.

odd you say that, i was just logging in just now to make that exact same comment....

after this experience I'm daily making altercations to my current life to avoid such an unfortunate "told-ya-so" meeting in the after.

yes to another poser, yes we have free will thats about the only thing you own, that you can say is truely yours, and that you have any control/domain over. Otherwise, we are powerless worms in face of the forces which inhabit that realm. Lie to yourself and let your ego disagree, but i know its true. They (whatever inhabits this realm) only interest is in this free will... everyother part of your soul/body/consciousess is a puppet with them pulling/cutting? the strings.

I love how you only pick an anecdotal sentence that conforms to your preaching of fire and brimstone and completely ignore all the legitimate points endlessness and others have brought up. What makes you better than that old-school hell and damnation preacher? The preacher is ABSOLUTELY convinced, as you're pretending to be, that his way is the ONLY way to the Gates and that even a slight deviation from the preacher's sermon earns you a one way ticket to eternal damnation. This is nothing but fear mongering, plain and simple. You're weak and scared and you assume everyone else must be too, we're just not as enlightened as you (since NONE OF US has gone as deeeeeeeep as you, right? Ha!) to realize your Profound Truths (because ONLY YOU know the Truth and ONLY YOU know "what's really going on," the rest of us are just brainwashed fools who like to feel goofy and see colors while our souls are being raped (really? you really think this? C'mon, you can tell me the truth, just between us girls).

You're the Harold Camping of the Nexus. A dubious achievement.

 

[gibran2]

They (whatever inhabits this realm) only interest is in this free will... everyother part of your soul/body/consciousess is a puppet with them pulling/cutting? the strings.

Why would "they" be interested in something that can't possibly exist?

 

[jamie]

"yes its the familiarity that bothers me still. Yes oddly i agree with you regarding DMT making me a better person, HOWEVER i full heartedly believe that you are dealing with the same evil influencial forces that cause men to commite murder, rape, and suicide. I have no doubt of this, you are opening up your soul for anything to jump in and take the controls of you. Your also opening yourself up to the pagen gods... which apparently are more real than i could have previous imagined"

please please save us the ignorance..pagan gods? Do you even know anything at all about paganism? The way you mention it just sounds sooooooooooooooooooooo cliche it is rediculous.

 

[skinwalker]

Maybe we´ll all meet again in hell one day and you can tell all of us:'i told you so'.

odd you say that, i was just logging in just now to make that exact same comment....

after this experience I'm daily making altercations to my current life to avoid such an unfortunate "told-ya-so" meeting in the after.

yes to another poser, yes we have free will thats about the only thing you own, that you can say is truely yours, and that you have any control/domain over. Otherwise, we are powerless worms in face of the forces which inhabit that realm. Lie to yourself and let your ego disagree, but i know its true. They (whatever inhabits this realm) only interest is in this free will... everyother part of your soul/body/consciousess is a puppet with them pulling/cutting? the strings.

I love how you only pick an anecdotal sentence that conforms to your preaching of fire and brimstone and completely ignore all the legitimate points endlessness and others have brought up. What makes you better than that old-school hell and damnation preacher? The preacher is ABSOLUTELY convinced, as you're pretending to be, that his way is the ONLY way to the Gates and that even a slight deviation from the preacher's sermon earns you a one way ticket to eternal damnation. This is nothing but fear mongering, plain and simple. You're weak and scared and you assume everyone else must be too, we're just not as enlightened as you (since NONE OF US has gone as deeeeeeeep as you, right? Ha!) to realize your Profound Truths (because ONLY YOU know the Truth and ONLY YOU know "what's really going on," the rest of us are just brainwashed fools who like to feel goofy and see colors while our souls are being raped (really? you really think this? C'mon, you can tell me the truth, just between us girls).

You're the Harold Camping of the Nexus. A dubious achievement.

your wrong at least they had answers, i dont. My only point is to question everything and never gamble with your soul. i have no answers on how to get to "the gates". I feel it has something to do with avoiding mind altering substances and following the path, god, allah, buddah, spagetti monster has laid out for you from birth and not waviering from that divinly constructed individulized plan.