hello, greetings with x-tals

[CozmoChemist]

hello, swim is brand new to this site, swim has a deep intrest in spice as do lots of you here. For being new swim thought he might greet you with photos of
x-tals swim has just finished growing.
swim used naptha for this re-x and plans on using bestine for the next re-x.
the x-tal on the right( bigger one) weights about 0.1
the method used was stb
does anyone know how swim would grow a more solid crystal?

I apologize if i posted in the wrong area

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Beautiful!!

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

:want:

Most of the time it depends on how pure your DMT ought to be. If you can apply sodium carb. wash followed cold water wash. Than for water resistance dehydrate epsom salt, grind up, mixe in naphtha, filter salt. precipitate naphtha, scrape crystals Re-Ex using heated 10-25 ml of bestine per gram. dissolve, precipitate a few hours between the fridge and the freezer, spaced apart over the course of 2 days (depending on how cold temp. is) OR I 've read countless times of people using heptane evaporation/re-crystallization to produce giants.

purify purify precip. Re-EX? -or- evap?

Good job on your crystals so far :thumb_up: wish you luck

Jarl Von Hoother

 

[Digest Yourself]

How did you grow those? I'm new to the spice extraction world but I get the gist.
I've done one extraction and it was great, but I'd love to get to your level.

how much solvent did you use when reXing and did you get those with just nap?

what medium did you use? Beaker? pirax? for freez prep (for ease of removing Xstals)

What did you do to remove so much color?
-How many ReX? I lost a lot of my yield when reXing but the spice lighten a lot..
I felt I could have kept going to eventually get white spice, but the effects of my ReX were amazing.. I didn't want to lose any more.

Any tips would be awesome!

Also, can i do anything with what i remove from the reX? the brown tar like stuff, it seems to be in crystal form.. just brown/tan. It certainly stinks!

 

[CozmoChemist]

lots of research and time!

yes the only solvent swim used was naphtha and about 20-30 ml per g.
but plans on seeing what will come of hexane(bestine)soon
on that note swim would only re-x 1 gram at a time (but its up to you)


as for the freeze precipitation step, only freeze precipitate if you plan on re-xing again
for the final re-x swim let the nap cool slowly in a hotwater bath and alows a slow evaporation by covering the top and leaving a center hole about the size of a pencil open.
swim uses a small 150ml beaker and long twezers


heres a picture

The color just comes from the re-x , for me anyways, if you remove all the oils and impurities well enough, you should have nice close to white/clear x-tals.


Swim re-xed 2 times ,but it can be done in one ,providing a good seperating of nap from the plant fats and oils.
now swim notices that when a gram of spice is re-xed and cleaned well ,the yeild drops to about 0.25 from 1.0 (+ or - 0.05).
the trade is less quantity for great looking crystals and purity


as for the brown stuff left over, it is active. swim has in the past taken the tan/brown goo and smeared about 0.1 on a rolling paper. best joints ive ever had. sometimes dont even get to finish before the 50's colors take over!!

if you need anymore help i may write my own tek on the whole process from bark to x-tal at some point
or just ask!

 

[Kash]

Wow those are some great crystals man nice. Thats pretty wild how you got them to grow in solid clumps

 

[CozmoChemist]

thank you!, i have no idea why they formed that way i suspect it has something to do with the slow cooling down part of the process.

ive read your lsa tek and i must say, brilliant!! ive been looking for a way to extract that in such a way. when i have gathered the necessary equipment and stuff i plan on giving it a go!

 

[Digest Yourself]

I used the same 150ml beaker for my freezer prep but did not get a cluster clump crystal like yours. The spice masked the bottom of the beaker and was a pain in the ass to scrap, so I redissolved it and put it in a pirax baking dish and let it air dry. Same results, no crystal formation, just a mask of tiny crystals everywhere..

I think seeding would have helped grow a crystal, I'll have to try this next time, as I have a bit of spice in storage.

My ReX was a bit half assed. I had to boil water downstairs, carry it upstairs and put my shot glass in the pot with ~25ml of nap. I didn't weigh my spice, eye balled it and stirred it until there way a brownish goo at the bottom . Then separated the two and let the nap air dry.

The temp of my water was decreasing quickly, hot plate would be great but don't have one..

What would you say is an appropriate time length to keep the spice in the hot nap for a reX?

I removed it pretty quick, and feel like I left a lot of spice in the brownish goo..


I'd Love to see your Tek written down. Thanks a lot

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Digest Yourself, once you have dissolved your spice into the warm solvent and seperated the clear solvent from the brown goo, put that clear dmt saturated solvent in a shotglass or something similar, cover it with foil, and stick it back in the water bath that you were using to heat up your solvent. This will keep the solvent from cooling/evaporating too fast. The solvent will cool down over time as the water in the waterbath cools. Once everything has reached room temperature just take the shotglass out of the water bath, poke a tiny hole in the foil, and stick the covered shot glass in a cabinet somewhere where it will be undisturbed for a couple days. You don't want to touch it over the next day or two as vibration will disturb crystal formation. THis will allow it to crystallize very slowly. after a day or two you can take the foil off and let it evap the rest of the way.

This should help you get larger crystal clusters

 

[CozmoChemist]

yes , just like what momentoftruth said.
now what swim does is use that same 150ml beaker and microwave a cup of water that the beaker fits in tightly to, (dont microwave the beaker and spice/nap) wrap a dish towel around it to keep heat from escaping as quickly. (keep top covered)
usually it takes about 2 hours for the first
x-tal to form
and slow evap at room temp from there.

 

[Nmk8743]

Those look really nice, good job. The key to large crystals is controlled and very slow lowering of temperature until finally freeze precipitating. I've never had luck with room temperature evaporation techniques.

Here are some I've grown recently. Keep in my mind that I started with yellowish powder and the color was intentional. Mine were not as big as yours but note the different shape. There are so many ways to grow these things.

Total weight 1.3g:

2012-09-12_13-54-31_253 by nmk8743, on Flickr

Close up with knife for reference:

IMG_20120914_002204 by nmk8743, on Flickr

 

[CozmoChemist]

WOW DUDE!!! thats amazing and thoes are beautiful!!!
I thought of getting a hot plate for that.
Is that what you use?
what duration of time do you allow it to cool?
from what teperature do you start cooling from and end at?
thank you very much for the post!

 

[Icon]

Here are some I've grown recently.

Niiice, I was going to comment saying I've seen gems grown out of dmt before, and there we go someone posting their examples! I've only seen pictures like that maybe once or twice before, I'm also super curious how it's done! You seem the most confident out of anyone in reproducing those results, it's appeared as a miraculous fluke for others I know.

I thought coloration meant impurities. But if you grew some of those starting with yellow spice, that'd mean those impurities don't affect the crystal structure at all?
Could you continue re-growing those as large as you pleased?

Are they more dense/strong and less waxxy than the flat, needle crystals?
Is there a noticeable difference in effect? I would imagine the rocks packing a bigger punch.

 

[VIII]

Great thread and beautiful crystals!

Loving the info on obtaining different type crystals. I think I've seen a thread before with the rock diamond type crystals like Nmk posted. I'll try to search for it later and post it here.

Nice to know the brown remains can be used to enhance a joint.

 

[Nmk8743]

WOW DUDE!!! thats amazing and thoes are beautiful!!!
I thought of getting a hot plate for that.
Is that what you use?
what duration of time do you allow it to cool?
from what teperature do you start cooling from and end at?
thank you very much for the post!

- Thanks for the compliment. I've been experimenting with crystal growing for a while now and this is the only method I've found to produce crystals with this structure; but I've been able to reproduce these results four times now. I don't have a hotplate or any other lab-type equipment; materials used were powdered spice, heptane, large cooking pot, a tall thin glass vessel (similar to the one pictured a few posts above), a thermos big enough to fit the glass vessel, a thermometer, cooler and then fridge and freezer.

- I'll post more details later on but for simplicity: I weigh x amount of spice and place it into my collection vessel with x amount of room temperature heptane. I then use a hot water bath around 160-170 degrees F to submerge the heptane/dmt containing vessel repeatedly for small amounts of time while gently swirling to completely dissolve everything in the spice (impurities and all). Once everything is dissolved I fill a thermos with water from the hot water bath and quickly place the glass vessel inside. The thermos is then sealed and placed at an angle into a small cooler filled with the remaining water of the hot bath. Cooler was sealed and left for x amount of time until the water inside had reached room temperature (usually 24-48 hours).

- Now the cooler I used was too big but was all I had so at this point I carefully removed the thermos and placed it into the fridge. Note the thermos is still filled with original water to help keep your vessel from cooling to quickly. Once the water inside the thermos was at fridge temperature I then placed the thermos carefully in the freezer. 6 hours later I removed my vessel, poured off heptane and was left with crystals like this.

- For the crystals pictured above the total time was 3 days start to finish. I can post exact weights/amounts/times etc later on if you'd like. And sorry if anything seems unclear I didn't have much time to type this right now.

 

[Nmk8743]

I thought coloration meant impurities. But if you grew some of those starting with yellow spice, that'd mean those impurities don't affect the crystal structure at all?

-White spice to start with would be ideal, but during the process I tilt the collection vessel so that any impurities present all collect in a bottom corner once they fall out of the heptane.

-I'll get back with the answers to your other questions later today.

 

[Digest Yourself]

It would be awesome if you could write up a TEK with pics on crystal formation! Those are amazing!

 

[CozmoChemist]

really man thanks a bunch!! great info! I could never think of a way to slowly cool the solution across such a large time scale, my cool rate was about 2 hours from 170 degrees f
to room temp

 

[Nmk8743]

It would be awesome if you could write up a TEK with pics on crystal formation! Those are amazing!

That would be pretty cool. But idt pictures of crystals forming is too likely, at least from me. I don't like disturbing the container during growth any more than needed, and I don't have a camera anywhere near quality enough to get good pics of that. In fact I don't have a camera at all just my phone haha.

 

[VIII]

Here is the thread I was referring to earlier.

Geometry of DMT crystals and a follow-up thread of sorts, Significance of DMT Crystalline Geometries and Our Experiences?