help on tincture

[Muttley]

I was thinking about making dmt-acetate tincture like the one shown on Q21Q21 extration tek but have some questions.

He says "Basically all that is needed is to evaporate the tincture at 90-100C until there is no vinegar left, this produces freebase jimjam DMT."

Ok, it will produce freebase, but vinegar will leave some residue behind. I evaporated a few drops of the clearest vinegar i found and it did. the smell does not bother me, but is this residue harmless to inhale?

How about using a small amount of 99% acetic acid in destilled water instead of vinegar? What kind of residue would it leave (if any)?

 

[gory dkalz]

Distilled white vinegar should contain just water and acetic acid. If there is any acetic acid left after evaporating, It will just produce water and carbon dioxide upon combustion anyway.

 

[TmC47]

Sure you can. But do go for the highest purity. What was in the vinegar was probably sugar, or sweetener or something else relatively harmless. Nothing to worry about: if you've smoked any plant material in your life, you have probably smoked more sugars than you ever will from your vinegar's residue. What is in a technical-grade acetic acid could be anything. But really this all depend on the route of synthesis for that compound in question. With acetic acid, I would not worry about this.
I want to try this too, someday soon!

 

[dancing.vine]

just so you know you can disslove dmt pretty well with SALIVA and purify it pretty well on your print
dry em out like the toads do

 

[Muttley]

Distilled white vinegar should contain just water and acetic acid. If there is any acetic acid left after evaporating, It will just produce water and carbon dioxide upon combustion anyway.

as odd as it may seem to you i've never heard of distilled vinegar, and cant find any for sale... at least in supermarkets. I wasnt expecting to have to order vinegar from the internet :?

Sure you can. But do go for the highest purity. What was in the vinegar was probably sugar, or sweetener or something else relatively harmless.

Well, i read the ingredients on my vinegar label and it says: "white wine vinegar, water, preservative: E220 (Sulphur dioxide). Contains sulphites"

Sulphur dioxide sounds scary to me, but i'm no expert.... what do you think?

 

[endlessness]

if you go to some natural food store they should have white vinegar without preservatives in it.

 

[gory dkalz]

Walmart has distilled white vinegar. I dunno I've never had a problem finding it. And what kind of vinegar is that with the sulphites? Sounds more like apple cider vinegar or something.

 

[Muttley]

In my quest for vinegar i have visited many supermerkets and read the labels of over 20 different brands. either wine vinegar, cider or rice vinegar they ALL contain sulphites.

meanwhile i found in an on-line shop Sarson's Distilled Malt Vinegar.

Do you think it is ok? Vinegar is acetic acid, no matter the origin, right?


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[gory dkalz]

Yes. That will work. As long as it's distilled it is fine.
May I ask what country you are in? I didn't realize it was so hard to get regular old vinegar at the supermarket.

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

I just keep some Great Value Brand, distilled white vinegar. It doesn't say anything else is added, seems fine to me. It does leave a little residue behind, I don't think it is a big issue. Though I have seen in some old threads that smoking DMT acetate to often can lead to a minor cough.

 

[Muttley]

May I ask what country you are in? I didn't realize it was so hard to get regular old vinegar at the supermarket.

I'm in Portugal.
Vinegar is just spoiled wine. Portugal has a very old wine making tradition, so our regular old vinegar is just that: spoiled wine. people could use it without any further transformation. Today when someone whants to buy vinegar to use in food, they dont even consider a destiled form, and so supermarkets dont sell it. probably almost nobody would buy it.... but i'm just guessing.

It is ironic that stuff like lye and 96% ethanol is available in almost every supermarket i went, and it seems that to some people it is hard to find or very expensive...

anyway, now i know what i need to buy. Thank you for your help.

 

[wingchun]

Not a chemist BUT....

Won't it be a salt - coming out of vinegar ?
as opposed to a freebase, if it came out of a basefied solution?

Sounds fair to boil off the vinegar to end up
with dmt salt + vinegar gunk leftovers,
and as you can eat vinegar, I guess you could eat that?

Not sure what happens to dmt salt when you smoke it?
Help someone?

But re your question - not so sure you'd end up with freebase,
unless you added a tiny bit of OH at the end?

 

[gory dkalz]

Not a chemist BUT....

Won't it be a salt - coming out of vinegar ?
as opposed to a freebase, if it came out of a basefied solution?

Sounds fair to boil off the vinegar to end up
with dmt salt + vinegar gunk leftovers,
and as you can eat vinegar, I guess you could eat that?

Not sure what happens to dmt salt when you smoke it?
Help someone?

But re your question - not so sure you'd end up with freebase,
unless you added a tiny bit of OH at the end?

The acetate part of the salt form will evaporate off before the boling point of DMT. It can be done by putting the tincture in an oil burner and heating the bottom. Then take your copper mesh and wipe up the residue. It wont be the most pure dmt freebase but it's good enough for the people who choose to go this route.

 

[Muttley]

By the way, are there any other DMT salts that behave like the acetate?

 

[amor_fati]

Not a chemist BUT....

Won't it be a salt - coming out of vinegar ?
as opposed to a freebase, if it came out of a basefied solution?
...

The acetate part of the salt form will evaporate off before the boling point of DMT. It can be ...

The theory is that the heat dissociates acetic acid from freebase DMT and subsequently evaporates it. This has been demonstrated by purifying the product heptane (or naphtha? can't remember), which is a pretty decent indicator, having resulted in white crystalline DMT. In any case, it seems that even without purification, the acetic acid content can be minimized through a combination of high heat (on a dish being steambathed from underneath works well after evaping all of the water in a dehydrator) and exposing surface area (a la manual crystallization, though it may not result in a solid, the process is essentially the same). The result should have no odor or taste (when vaporized) of acetic acid and cause no abnormal irritation.

Do you think it is ok? Vinegar is acetic acid, no matter the origin, right?

With glacial acetic acid, this should end up as a goo, rather than a solid or a resinous mass if produced as stated in my previous paragraph. If this isn't the case with one's particular distilled white vinegar, this may be a good indicator of impurities contained in the brand of vinegar. Acetic is notorious for its goo factor, but impure vinegar will yield a crystalline substance whe evaporated without having been used in an extraction. This same substance seems to be the culprit which, when attempting vaporize, can combust, clog one's piece with a fine but sticky powder, and emit a sickening odor like some sort of caramelization. Unless I'm mistaken, the brand evaporated to test determine the presence of nonvolatile impurities did not indicate any contents besides vinegar and water--so much for "distilled."


If experimenting with the goo (goo or resin of any sort), a nifty new way of accomplishing this is coming for the Inspirator design. Details on second paragraph: Interesting DMT-carrier device. Modification of the machine-ball - Vaping/Smoking - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus