Here there be dragons...

[jamie]

I can't see after a certain point, how smoked DMT can be so useful. In a sense, after a time, it becomes just narcisstic. Take DMT orally and what you go into is more related to healing and working the earthly plane, and that is a good thing, because here we are!

Im sorry that you are unable to connect with vaped DMT. I mean sometimes vaping is way too fast..but calling it narcisistic is just sort of a subjective projection dont you think?

Have you tried snuffing it? I find snuffing it to be perfect in that it sits somewhere in the middle between oral and vaping. The burn kind of sucks but oh well.

Nice report Corpus

 

[nen888]

..while very strong smoked DMT experiences can be harrowing, in all my experience MAOIs don't just extend/potentiate DMT..they modify the effects..to me in quite 'heavy' ways..

i am usually fairly happy to inhale a moderate amount of DMT..
but almost never if there are MAOIs in my system..i save inhalation for another occasion in that case..
if an ayahuasca experience is not strong i just accept that..or drink more instead..
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[corpus callosum]

..while very strong smoked DMT experiences can be harrowing, in all my experience MAOIs don't just extend/potentiate DMT..they modify the effects..to me in quite 'heavy' ways..

Agreed!

The combination of the 30mg blast with the RIMA was very very deep indeed.The use of low dose changa was fantastic and it was very easy to trip along at the level sought.I would recommend this strongly if ones oral mission felt like it needed to be a little stronger. 10-15mg DMT per toke was not excessive by any means (for me anyway); 30mg as outlined was something else......:shock:

 

[chocobeastie]

Corpus,

You got out of 50mg orally exactly what I would have expected most people to get. Sure, it is something, a kind of mild experience, nice enough - but nothing like the visionary power and healing potency of an all enveloping experience of gravity and meaning.

Instead, to push it forward to where you thought you wanted to go, you smoked a whole lot of DMT. Fine. Great, whatever floats your boat.... But I would always recommend people stay within their body and work stuff out relevant to their life, find a nice sweet spot with the oral DMT dosage.

I'm continually posting on this forum, after people take 30-50mg of DMT and then wondering why not so much happens, wondering what is going on. And then I am wondering, WHY they would expect that much DMT to do so much? when people like myself have been posting for a long time what is generally accepted wisdom among MY peers, that at least 100mg + is needed with most people to begin to really get visionary effects.

Is this something to do with Ott and conclusions he came to in Ayahuasca Analogues? Anyway, I'm tired of belabouring this point and every time I post (which seems to be in most threads in the pharmahuasca section, I would hope this point is made clear.

I'm not recommending for people to dive into 100mg, but at the very least, do not expect what may well be a common sense beginning dosage of 50mg DMT to rock your world and then keep reporting back about this "issue" they you are having.

OK?

OK!

Thing is, as well, that raising the MAOI's doesn't strengthen the DMT experience THAT much anyway and with the harmalas from rue, I wouldn't recommend it anyway for many reasons, least of all they can be hard on the body.


Jamie,

Sure, I've connected with smoked DMT, but after many dozens of times of going deep over many years, I do not find it necessary to continually partake and find oral DMT and Ayahuasca to be a much more useful and sustainable path given the duration and healing powers of the plants involved.

 

[corpus callosum]

Corpus,

You got out of 50mg orally exactly what I would have expected most people to get. Sure, it is something, a kind of mild experience, nice enough - but nothing like the visionary power and healing potency of an all enveloping experience of gravity and meaning.

Instead, to push it forward to where you thought you wanted to go, you smoked a whole lot of DMT. Fine. Great, whatever floats your boat.... But I would always recommend people stay within their body and work stuff out relevant to their life, find a nice sweet spot with the oral DMT dosage.

I'm continually posting on this forum, after people take 30-50mg of DMT and then wondering why not so much happens, wondering what is going on. And then I am wondering, WHY they would expect that much DMT to do so much? when people like myself have been posting for a long time what is generally accepted wisdom among MY peers, that at least 100mg + is needed with most people to begin to really get visionary effects.

Is this something to do with Ott and conclusions he came to in Ayahuasca Analogues? Anyway, I'm tired of belabouring this point and every time I post (which seems to be in most threads in the pharmahuasca section, I would hope this point is made clear.

I'm not recommending for people to dive into 100mg, but at the very least, do not expect what may well be a common sense beginning dosage of 50mg DMT to rock your world and then keep reporting back about this "issue" they you are having.

OK?

OK!

Speaking for myself only, I would always advocate working ones way up in terms of dosage when trying something for the first time.I did not have any particular expectations from 50mg and certainly did not expect to have my world rocked; it was a 'test dose' to guage my personal response with this and moclobemide.Despite your assertions I will try 70-80mg next time and if this is insufficient, up goes the dose which will be determined with the experience from 70-80mg in mind. I think you may well be right that 100mg+ is necessary for the real visionary aspects to transpire but I feel that dropping in haste and repenting at leisure is not something I wish to subject myself to.

May I ask, in your opinion, what dose of freebase would you recommend for people to use? And would this dosage be the same for moclobemide, brewed rue/caapi or indeed harmals extracted from vine or rue?

 

[chocobeastie]

May I ask, in your opinion, what dose of freebase would you recommend for people to use? And would this dosage be the same for moclobemide, brewed rue/caapi or indeed harmals extracted from vine or rue?

It all seems about the same to me, except if people are using a fumerate salt form, which seems to be stronger and I haven't used - so then it would be wise to be a lot more conservative.

You can keep amping your Moclobemide dosage to 900mg and it will not inhibit at more than 300mg, so there is no point. I don't tend to think beyond when there is a strong MAO inhibition, that amping up the MAOI's is going to amplify the effects that much. I figure at 4 grams of most batches of Rue, you are at something like 70-80% of your MAO's are inhited, so amping it furthter isn't going to provide much more value.

I think 70-80mg is where it *starts* to get interesting for most. 100mg can be fantastic, but 150mg is generally reported to where it can really push you and show you its potential. Many may wish to push further and see what their upper limit is (a useful thing to know)

I think you know when you have taken too much DMT, its too fast, too intense, too heavy and you are not integrating or remembering what happens to you.

Also, I used to use freebase, but found that a straight tea is much clearer and more visual. It took me a long time to work this out as I saw no reason why it would be the case, but it clearly is; and before this for many years I was a big fan of using freebase because it was easier to dose and the taste wasn't there. I think it is worth for people to do their own tests on this matter to see. If you are using egg whites to take out tannins on MHRB say, it really isn't too bad at all!