Hi everyone, nice to join the community:) yv-xest

[AlpineXplorer]

I am sure one day you will! For me too it took to long to be able to even think about extraction, I went living alone and even get scammed for trying to buy it once (I deserved it probably )

Lol, "deserved" or "not-deserved" I'm sure it was frustrating either way.

 

[yv-xest]

Oh cmon don't give yourself a hard time, there's a learning curve to everything. It's really cool that you're an analytical chemist though, I love it when experienced chemists join the forum! We already have a few amazing ones around here that I'm sure you'll find plenty to talk about with, like @benzyme and @endlessness, and others that might not be professional chemists but have vast knowledge in the science, like @Transform.

Cheers and good luck with the second extraction, I'm expecting a glass dish fully covered in delicious white fluff

Your prophecy was fulfilled, look at these fluffies

 

[yv-xest]

Oh cmon don't give yourself a hard time, there's a learning curve to everything. It's really cool that you're an analytical chemist though, I love it when experienced chemists join the forum! We already have a few amazing ones around here that I'm sure you'll find plenty to talk about with, like @benzyme and @endlessness, and others that might not be professional chemists but have vast knowledge in the science, like @Transform.

Cheers and good luck with the second extraction, I'm expecting a glass dish fully covered in delicious white fluff

Now as a nerd I reached the hardest step for me where I have almost no relevant experience, the administration .

I understand that it will take some trials and errors to do it right but can you please review my plan and let me know if there are any critical mistakes?

Current equipment: Weights with 0.1g accuracy (I know it's bad) and a tobacco pipe (I never used one). No trip sitter

Plan 1.
Weight 1:1 ratio of mint and dmt and make enhanced leaf to smoke with pipe somewhere in nature (it is forbidden to smoke where I live, and I respect that). In this case I can use the weights I have pretty successfully.

Plan 2.
Stay home and weight 0.1g of Xtal, approximately divide the amount to 5 parts and sniff 1 after another until breakthrough.

For future I ordered mg Weights and YoCan Orbit as I saw it was recommended in forum.

Any review will be appreciated

 

[Nydex]

Now as a nerd I reached the hardest step for me where I have almost no relevant experience, the administration .

I understand that it will take some trials and errors to do it right but can you please review my plan and let me know if there are any critical mistakes?

Current equipment: Weights with 0.1g accuracy (I know it's bad) and a tobacco pipe (I never used one). No trip sitter

Plan 1.
Weight 1:1 ratio of mint and dmt and make enhanced leaf to smoke with pipe somewhere in nature (it is forbidden to smoke where I live, and I respect that). In this case I can use the weights I have pretty successfully.

Plan 2.
Stay home and weight 0.1g of Xtal, approximately divide the amount to 5 parts and sniff 1 after another until breakthrough.

For future I ordered mg Weights and YoCan Orbit as I saw it was recommended in forum.

Any review will be appreciated

First of all, congrats on your successful extraction! How much input plant matter did you use to get these crystals?

Second of all, please do not consume any of your product before you've obtained a milligram scale. A dekagram scale leaves too much margin for error, considering the experiential difference between correctly vaporizing 30mg and 100mg is night and day, and for someone with no experience in the kind of intensity that DMT offers, I would strongly discourage taking that risk and would recommend you exercise patience until your milligram calibration weights arrive.

In terms of enhanced leaf, I don't know how well mint works, I've heard it can irritate some people's lungs. Most people opt for mullein as a neutral base. Two pretty good topics to start your research from would be A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (Changa) and Enhanced Leaf Vaporization Temperature.

Regarding your second plan, I was under the assumption you're extracting DMT in its freebase form? If so, snorting it won't do much for you, because you'd need the fumarate form for that. Plenty of info on the forum about that - "dmt fumarate" search results.

Considering you're measuring using weights, I'm assuming you have some kind of fancy balancing scale. If that's the case, would be really cool if you shared a pic of it. I'd like to see what you're working with, because measuring one's doses is of incalculable importance IMO.

Cheers!

 

[yv-xest]

First of all, congrats on your successful extraction! How much input plant matter did you use to get these crystals?

Second of all, please do not consume any of your product before you've obtained a milligram scale. A dekagram scale leaves too much margin for error, considering the experiential difference between correctly vaporizing 30mg and 100mg is night and day, and for someone with no experience in the kind of intensity that DMT offers, I would strongly discourage taking that risk and would recommend you exercise patience until your milligram calibration weights arrive.

In terms of enhanced leaf, I don't know how well mint works, I've heard it can irritate some people's lungs. Most people opt for mullein as a neutral base. Two pretty good topics to start your research from would be A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (Changa) and Enhanced Leaf Vaporization Temperature.

Regarding your second plan, I was under the assumption you're extracting DMT in its freebase form? If so, snorting it won't do much for you, because you'd need the fumarate form for that. Plenty of info on the forum about that - "dmt fumarate" search results.

Considering you're measuring using weights, I'm assuming you have some kind of fancy balancing scale. If that's the case, would be really cool if you shared a pic of it. I'd like to see what you're working with, because measuring one's doses is of incalculable importance IMO.

Cheers!

Thanks for such a quick response

I used 46g of MHBR (no reason for being so specific just everything left). I used CYB's hybrid salt tek without acid step. The only thing I changed was addiction of NaOH before each pull to replace heat bath, as I didn't have anything to use as bath and the exothermal reaction was pretty good heat source imo. I used 3 small pulls < 50ml. And I am pretty sure I can go for 2-3 more pulls from the bottle.

Yes you are right the crystals are in free base form, much thanks for letting me know such thing exists about sniffing

Regarding mint I will smoke the "blank" first to see if any unpleasant thing happens before enhancing it.

I just use regular kitchen weighs for 20 bucks

 

[yv-xest]

What I ment that I can use my weight for enhanced leaf technique is for example I can weight 0.5g DMT and 0.5g leaves, enhance the leaves then measure again the gained weight. Then I can measure 0.1g of mixture expecting 50 mg dmt, similarly with other target values just manipulating the leave dmt ratio (idk if I answered your question )

 

[Nydex]

Ok I see, so you're trying to do what is effectively volumetric dosing. That's perfectly fine, but it relies on knowing, with high precision, what your starting amounts are. With a scale that only detects changes of 0.1g you can very easily miscalculate those starting amounts. And sure, you can start with smoking very, very small amounts of e-leaf and bumping up the dose until you reach your desired state, but it's much easier knowing your amounts with some decent level of precision in general.

I would recommend a scale I know many Nexians use, including me - the AWS Gemini-20. It's not lab-grade accurate, of course, but it definitely gets the job done, as long as you're not measuring something where a difference of just a few milligrams is crucial to the end experience. A pro tip people seem to have found with this one is it gets really quite accurate if you tare it somewhere near the middle of its max capacity, so about 10g, and weigh from there.

So yeah, I'd definitely recommend you apply some patience until you have a way of somewhat accurately measuring out milligram doses before you dive in. As you know, one of the pillars of this community is harm prevention, so I'm not saying all of this just because I want you to be safe, but because this is the example the Nexus is trying to set - safety and educated use above all else.

 

[yv-xest]

Ok I see, so you're trying to do what is effectively volumetric dosing. That's perfectly fine, but it relies on knowing, with high precision, what your starting amounts are. With a scale that only detects changes of 0.1g you can very easily miscalculate those starting amounts. And sure, you can start with smoking very, very small amounts of e-leaf and bumping up the dose until you reach your desired state, but it's much easier knowing your amounts with some decent level of precision in general.

I would recommend a scale I know many Nexians use, including me - the AWS Gemini-20. It's not lab-grade accurate, of course, but it definitely gets the job done, as long as you're not measuring something where a difference of just a few milligrams is crucial to the end experience. A pro tip people seem to have found with this one is it gets really quite accurate if you tare it somewhere near the middle of its max capacity, so about 10g, and weigh from there.

So yeah, I'd definitely recommend you apply some patience until you have a way of somewhat accurately measuring out milligram doses before you dive in. As you know, one of the pillars of this community is harm prevention, so I'm not saying all of this just because I want you to be safe, but because this is the example the Nexus is trying to set - safety and educated use above all else.

I guess as a noobie the wisest thing to do would be to follow the advice of experienced people
While I know how to calculate and stuff I don't have any idea how much can measurement errors effect the experience of dmt. Probably will get the weights you recommend too. Thank you again, I am very glad that I posted my questions

 

[AlpineXplorer]

A pro tip people seem to have found with this one is it gets really quite accurate if you tare it somewhere near the middle of its max capacity, so about 10g, and weigh from there.

Nice tip! I've never considered this but I get it.

 

[yv-xest]

I guess as a noobie the wisest thing to do would be to follow the advice of experienced people
While I know how to calculate and stuff I don't have any idea how much can measurement errors effect the experience of dmt. Probably will get the weights you recommend too. Thank you again, I am very glad that I posted my questions

@Nydex Turned out I am not that wise couldn't wait for mg scale. Went to the forest and made sandwich with pipe. I stopped in the "waiting room" too times, couldn't force myself to smoke till breakthrough. Now I understand what people ment when talking about it. Still pleasant experience though, unfortunatelyI am not interested in visuals so should do better next time.

Still, I want to say that I really appreciate your advise and in future experiments will make sure to have more controlled conditions, just this time my impatient dumbass won over

Cheers

 

[Nydex]

@Nydex Turned out I am not that wise couldn't wait for mg scale. Went to the forest and made sandwich with pipe. I stopped in the "waiting room" too times, couldn't force myself to smoke till breakthrough. Now I understand what people ment when talking about it. Still pleasant experience though, unfortunatelyI am not interested in visuals so should do better next time.

Still, I want to say that I really appreciate your advise and in future experiments will make sure to have more controlled conditions, just this time my impatient dumbass won over

Cheers

Hey, far better to learn this lesson by spending more time in the waiting room than you wanted to rather than vaping far too much and potentially even getting hyperslapped

 

[yv-xest]

Hey, far better to learn this lesson by spending more time in the waiting room than you wanted to rather than vaping far too much and potentially even getting hyperslapped

Lol, I like the word "hyperslap"

 

[Nydex]

Lol, I like the word "hyperslap"

Yeah, it's a cool word. Definitely not a cool experience though, from what I hear. Some equate it to worse than feeling like you're going to die. You can read more about it here. Might be a good way to understand why measuring your doses is very important

 

[yv-xest]

Ok I see, so you're trying to do what is effectively volumetric dosing. That's perfectly fine, but it relies on knowing, with high precision, what your starting amounts are. With a scale that only detects changes of 0.1g you can very easily miscalculate those starting amounts. And sure, you can start with smoking very, very small amounts of e-leaf and bumping up the dose until you reach your desired state, but it's much easier knowing your amounts with some decent level of precision in general.

I would recommend a scale I know many Nexians use, including me - the AWS Gemini-20. It's not lab-grade accurate, of course, but it definitely gets the job done, as long as you're not measuring something where a difference of just a few milligrams is crucial to the end experience. A pro tip people seem to have found with this one is it gets really quite accurate if you tare it somewhere near the middle of its max capacity, so about 10g, and weigh from there.

So yeah, I'd definitely recommend you apply some patience until you have a way of somewhat accurately measuring out milligram doses before you dive in. As you know, one of the pillars of this community is harm prevention, so I'm not saying all of this just because I want you to be safe, but because this is the example the Nexus is trying to set - safety and educated use above all else.

Hi! I found an amazing offer for very old torsion balance in unused condition (Techniprot "Waga Torsyjna Wt, for 50 euros) with reported accuracy of 1 mg (not readability but accuracy) and range 0-500mg.

I think those are much more precise than cheap new ones as they have also been appearing in some science articles (method section) . Here is a photo of my set. The kitchen scales I will use to weight source powder.

Now my experiments will be much more controlled and conclusive for me, as well as less risk for hyperslap

Thanks for your advices and support

 

[Nydex]

Hi! I found an amazing offer for very old torsion balance in unused condition (Techniprot "Waga Torsyjna Wt, for 50 euros) with reported accuracy of 1 mg (not readability but accuracy) and range 0-500mg.

I think those are much more precise than cheap new ones as they have also been appearing in some science articles (method section) . Here is a photo of my set. The kitchen scales I will use to weight source powder.

Now my experiments will be much more controlled and conclusive for me, as well as less risk for hyperslap

Thanks for your advices and support

That looks good, although just by looking or blindly trusting it's accurate simply because it's used in official research isn't a good way to go about it. Calibration weights are the way to know for sure, but I've noticed that precise, high-quality ones can be really expensive.

 

[yv-xest]

That looks good, although just by looking or blindly trusting it's accurate simply because it's used in official research isn't a good way to go about it. Calibration weights are the way to know for sure, but I've noticed that precise, high-quality ones can be really expensive.

Yeah you are absolutely right high class reference standards are really expensive, but I do not need them either M1 or even lower class might work for me, and those are not very expensive.

 

[yv-xest]

Yeah you are absolutely right high class reference standards are really expensive, but I do not need them either M1 or even lower class might work for me, and those are not very expensive.

The table is from here

https://www.oiml.org/en/files/pdf_r/r111-1-e04.pdf

 

[yv-xest]

One example of them being sold

M1 Milligram Weight in Stainless Steel - 10 mg Capacity

Precise M1 milligram weight made of stainless steel (1 mg - 500 mg). Ideal for calibration and adjustment of precision balances ✔ OIML-compliant ✔

www.bosche.eu