high from praying to Jesus/God?

[universecannon]

Hey there Weston!!

Usually I don't bother to answer, but here it goes.. Just wanted to say, you as Christian are in a pretty weird place.

(Nothing personal to the Nexus, this place is marvelous, and I respect every traveler in here)

The thing is, from a Christian point of view, all kind of drugs are Devil tools, and you are on a Drug forum.

From Christian Holy Fathers point of view, saying "high and euphoric from prayer", and Calling Jesus "the psychedelic I needed" is not ok and is blasphemy.

I'll try to explain. Words matters. Holy Fathers addressed to a feeling of "euphoria" as very dangerous and not good feeling. With feeling of euphoria, one could easily fall in delusional state and fall in Devils trap. It means that, with drugs that giving you euphoria, human can easily make wrong decisions and fall, because all drugs are Devils (Liers) tools, made to bring human to his fall. As most of times humans can't really recognize truth from lies.

Holy Fathers weren't looking for feeling "High (as high from drugs)" or euphoria through their prayer. They were looking for feeling of Serenity, Peace, Kindness and Compassion for human kind, praying for it in solitude. Through all that feelings coming from their hearts, they were receiving blessing and Love, from Holy Spirit.

Again, just telling Christian point of view, calling Jesus Christ "the psychedelic i needed" is not ok. Since psychedelics are drugs (Devil tools) and Jesus is Love.

Of course, God works in mysterious ways and there is God's Providence in everything. (God is something our simple mind just cant fit in. Maybe there is other place for God, like our heart.) So, maybe even the Devil (Since he is God's creation) doesn't know how God using him for Our kind good and salvation. Maybe human (as creation gifted with feelings of remorse and repentance) will do whole bunch of bad deeds until he separates and recognize what is good and bad, then repent, get humble, get free from big childish, selfish ego and live his life according to the commandments of Christ, doing virtues in life without sins. In other words, get free from delusions of our races enemy.

My best wishes everybody
Be blessed

One love

If this is your perspective, and you are (I think?) Christian, how does your use of DMT/psychedelics fit in with this for you? Just curious

 

[Voidmatrix]

Lots of old Christian’s were using drugs. Opium was pretty popular. They didn’t just think drugs were evil. Christian’s did drugs too.

Ha! You probably ain't wrong. But have you seen those lil cards that some churches hand out nowadays that have a list of things to avoid because they are claimed to be evil? Drugs are almost always on them.

One love

 

[Servant]

Voidmartix no problem at all bud!!
Have a good day by the way!!

Jamie01 hey, you are right, it is what it is.
I was just telling opinions of some ascetic Holy Fathers living absolute spiritual life. Now if they was right or wrong, it is up to everyone to decide.

universecannon hey bud
Well, it's pretty complicated about me. I really don't know what to say, I really wish I could share something more about myself and my psychedelics/DMT use, which by itself is a big mystery what really psychedelics/DMT are/is. One thing is for sure, I'm probably the biggest idiot in this place, and I feel really sorry about my disability to share some things, because I can't describe them.

You guys have an awesome place right here,one can learn a lot

Be blessed everyone

 

[Jamie01]

No void I have not seen them but I am out of newspaper so could be useful fire starter.

Tom Hatsis has written pretty extensively on the use of both opium and henbane etc in the church(in the past). He discusses this often when debating the mushroom christ myth etc. It was blasphemy to take certain drugs and worship pagan gods etc while some Christians were fine taking opium as long as you were worshipping Christ.

 

[Jamie01]

I feel really sorry about my disability to share some things, because I can't describe them.

You are on a DMT forum. Having indescribable experiences is like currency here.

 

[Weston]

Hey there Weston!!

Usually I don't bother to answer, but here it goes.. Just wanted to say, you as Christian are in a pretty weird place.

(Nothing personal to the Nexus, this place is marvelous, and I respect every traveler in here)

The thing is, from a Christian point of view, all kind of drugs are Devil tools, and you are on a Drug forum.

From Christian Holy Fathers point of view, saying "high and euphoric from prayer", and Calling Jesus "the psychedelic I needed" is not ok and is blasphemy.

I'll try to explain. Words matters. Holy Fathers addressed to a feeling of "euphoria" as very dangerous and not good feeling. With feeling of euphoria, one could easily fall in delusional state and fall in Devils trap. It means that, with drugs that giving you euphoria, human can easily make wrong decisions and fall, because all drugs are Devils (Liers) tools, made to bring human to his fall. As most of times humans can't really recognize truth from lies.

Holy Fathers weren't looking for feeling "High (as high from drugs)" or euphoria through their prayer. They were looking for feeling of Serenity, Peace, Kindness and Compassion for human kind, praying for it in solitude. Through all that feelings coming from their hearts, they were receiving blessing and Love, from Holy Spirit.

Again, just telling Christian point of view, calling Jesus Christ "the psychedelic i needed" is not ok. Since psychedelics are drugs (Devil tools) and Jesus is Love.

Of course, God works in mysterious ways and there is God's Providence in everything. (God is something our simple mind just cant fit in. Maybe there is other place for God, like our heart.) So, maybe even the Devil (Since he is God's creation) doesn't know how God using him for Our kind good and salvation. Maybe human (as creation gifted with feelings of remorse and repentance) will do whole bunch of bad deeds until he separates and recognize what is good and bad, then repent, get humble, get free from big childish, selfish ego and live his life according to the commandments of Christ, doing virtues in life without sins. In other words, get free from delusions of our races enemy.

My best wishes everybody
Be blessed

One love

drugs are not satanic in my views I believe God allows some as if they don't distract you from god I use them to get closer to him. However I am a conservative Christian so I don't support abortion,LGBTQ, or Liberalism. However drugs are not teached as bad in Christianity its not mentioned alcohol is EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN so is homosexuality and abortion but drugs are not forbidden. I said he was the psychedelic I needed as a way of saying he is above all that he gave me euphoria because of his love he gave me euphoria I was simply not committing blasphemy but honoring.

 

[Jamie01]

But what was Jesus doing with all those young naked boys?…errr “disciples”?

 

[Weston]

Lots of old Christian’s were using drugs. Opium was pretty popular. They didn’t just think drugs were evil. Christian’s did drugs too.

Yes psychedelics are not forbidden. is a Christian may be used psychedelics to get closer to God however one must not be drunkard, homosexual, abortionalize children, Or reject in the face of god One may speak to God through the Bible,prayer, or within ones heart. So if your using drugs that cause physical harm or is alcohol or lead to homosexual or abortion practices or lead you to turn away from god you should not use them.

 

[Weston]

If this is your perspective, and you are (I think?) Christian, how does your use of DMT/psychedelics fit in with this for you? Just curious

I abstain from abortion and homosexual and drunkard practices. I only use psychedelics rarely I don't use them barely much and when I do I use them to get close to God as there not forbidden however alcohol and homoxsexuality and abortion are all sins but psychedelics if not used in witchcraft or if there used in a god honoring way its okay.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Just a heads up, this community appeals to equity and equality, so LGBTQ people, alcoholics, etc, are accepted, loved, welcomed and supported.

One love

 

[Weston]

As a Christian tho I do support guns and far right beliefs I do NOT support racism or Nazism or hate I support the idea of a christian society and outlawing gender change surgery and lesbian and gay marriage should be banned. But I am not judging He who is without sin cast the first stone.I have porn addiction and am recovering I was simply sharing gospel everyone is loved but we can disagree with their lifestyle and we can disagree with alcoholism as there sinful but we don't hate we were simply criticizing the life style and how it should be embraced with abstinence. I am spreading God's word I used to be blasphemous and would support the idea of hating on LGBTq but I learned hate the sin not the sinner the best we can do is tell them their lifestyle is wrong and teach them about Jesus.

 

[blig-blug]

alcohol is EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN

It may be in whatever branch of Christianity you follow, but for hundreds of years since the beginning, drinking wine (with maybe some other psychoactive elements, but that's of course speculation) has been considered sacred by Christians. Jesus itself did it (and even turned water into it, supposedly), and the Old Testament portrays alcohol in a positive light often:

Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do.

You are free to share your beliefs and talk about them, but please drop all pretensions of them being the "true" Christianity, even if you believe it to be so.

Also, the idea that the literal letter of scripture (whatever that would be, the idea of "literal" has many issues in itself) constitutes doctrine is a relatively new idea in the history of Christianity, only a few hundred years old. Anyone is free to believe that doctrine, but this is not the place to claim that such doctrine constitutes the only true Christianity, no matter how much you believe it to be so.

In summary: feel free to share your beliefs as such, but do not present them as the only truth or the only real version of whatever religion or doctrine you may be talking about.

 

[blig-blug]

@Weston, please read this once and for all before posting again, or you are headed for a ban:

• Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki
• No politics

This is your last chance. You are banned from this thread for 24 hours so you have a chance to not dig a deeper hole for yourself. READ THE ATTITUDE AND FOLLOW IT.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I am spreading God's word

This is the thing, you don't need to do this. You wouldn't appreciate someone from a disparate religion doing the same to you and they have the same conviction about their religion as you do yours.

You seem like you have a good heart and are caring and are just trying to do your best and find your way like everyone else. Try to shift how you share how you feel without having to involve other people.

When we obsess about the actions and stances of others that don't directly affect us, just as homosexuality, it says more about the one obsessing than those they obsess over.

Then, at the end of the day anyone can debate on any point. You say homosexuality is wrong, others think it's actually natural. So one ought to be careful dictating to others where a consensus cannot be reached.

One love