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High tolerance to DMT is making me sad

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"I would only smoke the spice maybe 2-4 times a night, 2-3 nights a week."

Ok this is part of the problem. It is true that tolerance goes down very fast with Spice, but there is another part that does seem to build a tolerance over time. Smoking alot of spice for weeks at a time will diminish effects, I've had it happen to me, and I've seen it happen to two of my friends.

Another thing to think about is HOW you are smoking it. For a while (3 months) I was unable to get off on DMT AT ALL. 60, 70, 100mgs, nothing but some intense open eyed visuals. Behind closed eyelids all was black. The problem was that I was burning the DMT (and this was with a glass vaporizer). I was using a torch lighter and it was just destroying the spice. Try the leaf bed bong method.

and take a break for a few weeks! Anything, and I mean anything can be overused. I found that if I wait a few weeks I will have more meaningful experiences.

Also think about what else you are taking. Any other psycadelics will have a cross tolerance with DMT (at least phens and tryptamines will, and this includes MDMA). Any prescription meds, esp. migraine medications can cause a cross tolerance or simply block effects. I have found that large amounts of spicy food can dampen the experience. Guffesin (sp) can block effects.

I might also suggest that you take some vitamins for a few days, eat extremely healthy for about a week, and try again. Spice responds well to healthy living.
 
You guys know actually, I have never had a real breakthrough experience. I am never taken from my body and feel like I go somewhere else. It has been impossible for me to ever reach that point. All I ever get is a very comfortable experience where I see pretty colors, normally just with my eyes closed to since what I see with my open eyes generally isn't very amazing. Once when I went out in nature, I got very enjoyable open eye visuals, but normally what I see with my eyes closed is more interesting to me.

I know this is not typical, especially with the doses I have taken.

I am bringing this up because what acolon just said, "For a while (3 months) I was unable to get off on DMT AT ALL. 60, 70, 100mgs, nothing but some intense open eyed visuals."... he capitalized AT ALL, and proceeded to tell me he got visuals.

I do not have breakthrough experiences with 100mg doses or more, and this has been the case since I started. I got bummed when the visuals went away. I have still not tried any DMT since posting this thread. I would like a breakthrough experience, but I am not sure I am capable of one. Someone told me Terrence McKenna said 5-10% of people cannot have a breakthrough. I don't know if he said that or not, and I did not believe the statement when I heard it (I figured someone can always just take more), but there might be some truth to it after all.

A long time ago I ate 40 hits of LSD and did not lose my mind, while other people who took a 10 strip that night of the same stuff needed serious attention.
 
acolon_5 said:
and take a break for a few weeks! Anything, and I mean anything can be overused. I found that if I wait a few weeks I will have more meaningful experiences.
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This is true. I know DXM is a completely different drug, but I used it every few days for a while. The experiences became very empty and unfulfilling. Now, I space my trips by months and I get get what I want from them.
 
seriously...try taking some maoi's...get a nice rue tea..or caapi..and once the effects kick in smoke as much as you can...with the maois the come up is a bit smoother..so just keep smoking until you CANT...what works for SWIM is he has a VaporGenie(a flame powered vaporizing pipe..made of wood and has this ceramic screen that mixes the hot flame with air..so you can control the temp very well...but keeps the flame completely off the spice)

anyway..put some weed or blue lotus in it..and then load your spice on top of that..melt it down with a lighter..add more...melt it down into your herb..and then throw on a bit more..melt it just a bit so its more solid..close up the VaporGenie..the ceramic filter thing screws on top of the bowl..so nothing can fall out at all..anyway..you have a lot of spice in your bowl..and you can just smoke it until you cant...

another thing that you can add to this is some nitrous..ive heard it helps loosen the grip between body and mind/soul

after smoking as much spice as you can...take a massive hit of nitrous

and a the last thing i can think of is get some lsd or hawaiian baby woodrose seeds(and peppermint oil)

the lsd can act as a good launch pad for spice..and the visuals are stunning..

with the HBWR seeds take about 8-10 of them..whatever your preference...and put them in your mouth and chew them up..then put a few drops(5 maybe) of peppermint oil in your mouth and get it all mixed up...

DO NOT SWALLOW ANYTHING..not the seeds or your saliva...chew them up and mix them around your mouth for about 20-30 minutes...hold your spit in as well..its not that easy but its also not that hard

the peppermint supposedly turns the LSA in the HWBR into LSH or something similar..which is the closest thing to real lsd that you can get...SWIM has had wonderful results with this combined with THH and harmine/harmaline

he took a small little toke and all the sudden he could hear a breakthrough starting to come on..he was really surprised! it was such a tiny amount..no vapor came out at all..and he said it didnt feel like much in the lungs..

so (HBWR's + peppermint oil) + harmala + Spice in the VaporGenie = easy breakthrough

wait like 4 or 5 hours to smoke the spice though..it takes about 3 hours for the lsa/h to come on and then give it some time to really soak into your body...take the maois about an hour or two before you smoke the spice..you could just take them right after the HBWR's

its all about getting your body and mind set up to let go..SWIM was having issues with pharmahuasca couldnt quite get it to work..and then on a whim one day..after a unsuccessful pharma experiment..he decided to take a small toke from his genie..and it turned out to be exactly what he was looking for...

sometimes it just takes experimenting to find the most effective way to get yourself to the otherside
 
Maybe it's just my personal thing, but i found that being physically active (like taking a 2 to 3 hour walk) before doing spice or other psychedelics, heightens my sensitivity to it. At the same time, when i haven't had much fresh air during the day, i am less sensitive to it.
When you have taken lot's of DXM during a longer period of time, you might just want to give your brain some good rest for a few months.
I wouldn't be surprised if taking lot's of DXM lowers your sensitivity to entheogens. While DXM makes you feel numb, DMT makes you feel extremely open and sensitive.
 
Well I won't do DXM, and of course I am still on my break. When I do try DMT again, I will take these things into consideration and let you know what happened and which suggestions were used. The exercise thing should be a neat experiment. I thought about mixing it with nitrous but not very seriously. We had some good laughs over the thought of it. Right now I like the suggestions concerning vitamins and healthy food, only using pot to help smoke the DMT that day, and 1 hour of exercise (I am lazy and not gonna do 3!). To me, I feel like those suggestions that might help with what I perceive my problem to be. I am thinking maybe my brain has not done a good job replenishing all the enzymes it needs to make the DMT experience powerful, so these suggestions should help combat that.

I am not really interested in messing with LSA or nitrous to make the experience stronger, maybe in the future or when I eventually try to eat the DMT. The only drug I have heard that is a good combination with DMT is LSD. I have not enjoyed mixing DMT with MDMA or alcohol, so I think if I try mixing smoked DMT with anything ever again, it will just be LSD. For now I am not going to concern myself with it. Thanks for all the different comments so far though.

Jorkest, I don't think an MAOI should effect smoked DMT. MAO is an enzyme that exists in your digestive system only, so if you don't eat the DMT, I don't think an MAOI should matter.
 
Jorkest, I don't think an MAOI should effect smoked DMT. MAO is an enzyme that exists in your digestive system only, so if you don't eat the DMT, I don't think an MAOI should matter.
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well it works really nice for SWIM..and a few of his friends..its really like a key to the spice experience..seriously try it out
 
I watched a documentry were there was a Dr suregon he had been taking aya in the church setting begining at age 14. He said the ays no longer any strong effects then relaxment and sense of well being. He was very and happy and succesful more so that he expected to becould be he said. He peraised the ays for showing him the path he should pursue. Becomming a Dr in order to help others

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If you cant get there with 50 mg it aint a problem with tolerance. DMT has been proven to have no tolerence after 1 hour...my buddy tested this theory many times. If 50 mg is not gettin you there then your either smoking it wrong or its impure. Impure spice doesnt have the breakthru potential of some clean spice, i'm talkin yellow waxy dmt not your run of the mill lil off color crystals...that stuffs good. But swim has had so many problems smoking the freebase that he could of put 500 mg in the pipe and it wouldnt of made a difference...it was gettin burned and wasted.
SWIm even tried the sandwich between herb method but that didnt work either. Let me add the same spice had worked b4 for the guy, ges he got lucky smokin it 1 day. he pulled his hair out for weeks over it. finallY, dmt infused herb allowed him to smoke it easily. Look into it if your not gettin off your smokin it wrong I guarantee it.
 
polytrip said:
When you have taken lot's of DXM during a longer period of time, you might just want to give your brain some good rest for a few months.
I wouldn't be surprised if taking lot's of DXM lowers your sensitivity to entheogens. While DXM makes you feel numb, DMT makes you feel extremely open and sensitive.
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I was associating overuse with a lack of profundity in the psychedelic experience. I don't know if fireduck uses DXM at all.

Even though DXM is an analog of morphine it doesn't numb you in the same way. It dissociates your mind from your body, altering your tactile perception. I do consider DXM an entheogen (not common for those on this forum, I think) and a DXM/DMT combo would be most interesting. I never really thought about it before. I imagine it would be akin to the DMT/nitrous combo Jorkest described since DXM and nitrous are both dissociatives.
 
dude fuck dxm(no disrespect) its a cheap trip u wouldnt wana mess with when u can get the real thing(shroomz,dmt,nitrous). But honestly nitrous oxide is one of the most beautiful things ever. Wana trip...take 3 hits of dmt then a baloon of nitrous. you think dmt alone was special...o an do it during the scene in the matrix where morpheus gives keanu reeves the choice of the red or blue pill then gets reborn! I am not joking about that combo it will blow u the fuck away...so beautiful.. the nitrous and dmt play together...you can tell the dmt likes it!
 
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