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Vision farmer

Vision farmer

The shi9ing one
I have been reading post on this forum for weeks and the main thing I wonder about is if there is a limit? Can u only go so far into hyperspace and learn only so much?

I mean I know shamans use there sessions to gain knowledge and to heal people, do any of you have that ability? Are you shown things that u actually retain and use in real life other than the increased sense of well being?

I have read that some of you dont like pure DMT and get tired of it and prefer Changa or a even less "intense" experience and I guess it just seems to me if I were being taken to another place that is real and not just in my imagination ( I personally do think its real but have yet to experience it myself...soon though) that I would want to go as far and deep and learn as much as I could.

I dont know exactly how to put it but I just get a feeling from some of the post that they get to a point where there "burnt out" with DMT and that conflicts with the deeply spirtual accounts from other readers.
 
Vision farmer said:
I have been reading post on this forum for weeks and the main thing I wonder about is if there is a limit? Can u only go so far into hyperspace and learn only so much?
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The only limitations are your own.

I mean I know shamans use there sessions to gain knowledge and to heal people, do any of you have that ability? Are you shown things that u actually retain and use in real life other than the increased sense of well being?
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Some of us heal in our own ways. I've held space so loved ones can work through their personal problems. Wasn't me that did the healing, but the neurotransmission. I just like to facilitate because some people don't know the proper algorithms.
Opening up the heart and blowing the lid off everything you thought you knew is an important praxis I think most folks should take up:wink:
It's shown me much that I've retained in this tangible moment.

I have read that some of you dont like pure DMT and get tired of it and prefer Changa or a even less "intense" experience and I guess it just seems to me if I were being taken to another place that is real and not just in my imagination ( I personally do think its real but have yet to experience it myself...soon though) that I would want to go as far and deep and learn as much as I could.
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That's the name of the game. It's an archetype most of us all go through. Bust down the door and analyze+explore until the need to do that every day dissipates. Hell, I've been so many times I don't even need to (Oh, but I will!!) I can see/feel/am it @ all times.
Changa isn't more mild, it's more divine.


I dont know exactly how to put it but I just get a feeling from some of the post that they get to a point where there "burnt out" with DMT and that conflicts with the deeply spirtual accounts from other readers.
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Some can't do it anymore because they've reached a level and can't continue. I think this is a personal [and subjective] issue. Much reflection must be done on the experiences so that progress and evolution can be made.

I've been reflecting for the past three months at least on my intense exploration of hyperspace. I thought I was done for a while, 'though still working with low doses for soulular recalibration-
but a realization occurred while talking to another member just this morning.

A realization that hints have been under our nose this entire time and we hadn't been acting on them.

THERE IS SO MUCH WORK TO DO. There is seriously a LOT to figure out, and the hints are RIGHT THERE!

It's not just blast off + deal with it, anymore. We've done it.
I believe we will all soon reach a new level of understanding in our work with the spice due to a series of experiments that will be established in the near future.
I also believe that not everyone is supposed to be doing this, and that we all go through phases due to the balance of the flow.
 
I have thought about this alot myself..I personally have leared a great many life changing and perception changing things from this molecule...usually the long lasting change stuff is from ayahuasca brews..which seem to have some subtle permanence.

I know form my experiences that it isn't "just in our imagination" and at the same time it is...since everything we percieve is kinda a imagination, an agreed way of putting the world together in a way that we can function in it.
I have studied and put to use every day of my life the lnowledge shared in carlos castaned's books. And found from my own experiences that this is the most functional knowledge out there in regards to any psychism/'psychedelic' experience..particularly the techniques of "recapitulation" which is a way of reviewing your experiences in a much more in-deapth way..a way that you can see all that you missed in the moment. Almost always I find there is a GREAT DEAL that isn't seen clearly in the moment because its just way to fast.
And recapitulation lets you look at this in deapth, a kind of deapth that i've never experienced from anything else. For instance, recapitualating years of my life has shown that there are events that are spaced in time...like days or years that are part of a story..connected and there is no way to connect them without it...mabey in dreaming, which I've seen things like that as well in.
This always comes for me, with a feeling of higher purpose to experience, and it feels like they are all leading to -something- something increadible and unimagineable...it seems like a paved path to me...one I didn't so much recognise until I started using the recap..but always felt on some level.
A re-uccuring dream when I was a kid ( like mabey 20 times) was recapitulated, I learned the feeling from this dream was the feeling of something like OBE, like that feeling was how we get to that experience...I have many things like this...and there is always more being revealed
 
I also feel that the spice and others are just to loosen up our 'point of view' and that there is levels you can't reach by being taken by these powers alone...you have to work with them and learn to push yourself further and further...I feel we can't rely on them alone to show us, we have to be an active participant and learn what we can from them and use it to constantly further the scope of our perceptions...but not rely on them alone to bring us "enlightenment". Which I hope is the general idea instead of just to "get fucked up...which I personally have witnessed from a few people.
I feel that spice/aya change one to the core of thier being, and that alot of that change is so subtle that most miss the full scope of what it's really doing to them without recapitulation...it's not that we are too dumb or ignorant at all..it's just a lack of enough velocity...imo
 
How far can you go? Further than you can imagine.

Recently I learned this the hard way. I’ve had 150+ breakthroughs in the past year, but last Sunday night was totally new: [post=122812]2nd First Steps, part II[/post]

The experience was so different from every other experience I’ve had, that I became convinced I had died. It was very traumatic, and I’m still getting over it.
 
"That's the name of the game. It's an archetype most of us all go through. Bust down the door and analyze+explore until the need to do that every day dissipates. Hell, I've been so many times I don't even need to (Oh, but I will!!) I can see/feel/am it @ all times.
Changa isn't more mild, it's more divine."
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yeah! for sure house!! enough shiftimg of your point and it becomes 'un-stuck' and perception is a whole lot more free ....AND INTERESTING/AWESOME/SCARRY/FUN/ECSTATIC
I feel it has alot to do with our individual levels of energy as well though...since I know some kid's who have never had any entheos. ever and they are reaching the space in sobriety...feely
 
I have asked myself this through each trip I have undertaken. And the only answer I have ever recived is, "as far as i'll let myself go". Actually I was convinced last trip that I took (and this may sound silly, if it does to you just enjoy it for a story and smile) that if I let myself I could ascend right then and there, but doing so would could death to my physical body. And since I was on the toilet at the time I didn't want my housemates to have to deal with "cleaning up".

My two cents worth
 
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