How much is simply just..

[spiritual7pioneer]

How much of a dose is simply just a waste of dmt to smoke in one sit?
I'm just wondering, because I have seen many people saying they typically
will load 25mg and that is well enough.
But when I dose my friends I usually weigh out about 40-70mg
I would prefer to be as efficient as possible though so thats why I'm wondering.
Peace:}

 

[Shaolin]

It depends on your smoalking technique and tool. 25mg sounds like a GVG dose, while 70 would be a waste with it.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

Some people smoke 150mg and feel a slight buzz like acid or mushrooms.... This is due to mostly burning the spice. If you have touched the flame to the spice (I have on a premelt), it will flame up and it is simply gone! There is no drug effect if it burns too quickly. So get a good method of smoking and fine tune it and you will save so much!
From what I heard 15 - 30 is the range. Try low. Play with the heat, heat only a bit until you see the smoke come out. The use that every time. Get a torch lighter for more consistant heat.

I am no pro.. But I hear time and time again. It is sad that people use 150mg and feel only a buzz. Or use a lightbulb and burning spice. This plant is a sacred plant used as a tool. I just wish the respect and education was there to help others. DMT Nexus University might help those someday!

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

Some people smoke 150mg and feel a slight buzz like acid or mushrooms.... This is due to mostly burning the spice. If you have touched the flame to the spice (I have on a premelt), it will flame up and it is simply gone! There is no drug effect if it burns too quickly. So get a good method of smoking and fine tune it and you will save so much!
From what I heard 15 - 30 is the range. Try low. Play with the heat, heat only a bit until you see the smoke come out. The use that every time. Get a torch lighter for more consistant heat.

I am no pro.. But I hear time and time again. It is sad that people use 150mg and feel only a buzz. Or use a lightbulb and burning spice. This plant is a sacred plant used as a tool. I just wish the respect and education was there to help others. DMT Nexus University might help those someday!

Yeah, I've got down the lighter technique fairly well.
I have yet to use an actual vape for ingesting, however
I have taken a dome hit and that was nice.
The absolute best imo is a pickle.. you can get multiple pulls in a shorter
time period.

 

[Global]

Yeah, I've got down the lighter technique fairly well.
I have yet to use an actual vape for ingesting, however
I have taken a dome hit and that was nice.
The absolute best imo is a pickle.. you can get multiple pulls in a shorter
time period.

Pickle? What are you smoking out of? 70mg may not be a waste out of what you're smoking out of, but one may consider it a waste in the long run considering that the GVG will conserve and maximize on the potential of the DMT.

 

[tele]

Yeah as stated before with poor vaporization device you need 2x-4x the dose to achieve the same results as with more efficient device. Also the vapor will be much smoother. Another aspect when it comes to strenght of a dose is to take it all in single inhalation and keep it in at least 7 seconds.

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

Also the vapor will be much smoother. Another aspect when it comes to strenght of a dose is to take it all in single inhalation and keep it in at least 7 seconds.

I usually hold in one giant hit until I feel the ultra light feeling, and then I take one more, because I found that ingesting multiple hits will take things to another level.

Pickle? What are you smoking out of? 70mg may not be a waste out of what you're smoking out of, but one may consider it a waste in the long run considering that the GVG will conserve and maximize on the potential of the DMT

I have used a hash pickle made of quartz before. It works great and the vapor is smooth.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a GVG?

 

[emptymind]

Glass vapor genie. Ive used a wooden one, and I prefer my bubbler with a scrubber to it, but Ive never used a gvg. Most people who have used the gvg say its the best method for vaping, but Im a broke college student and cant spend that kind of money on one when my scrubber method easily takes me as far as I want to go.

I do use about half as much spice to go much further using the scrubber in a bowl method than I did with the bulb. I havent ever burnt it and ended up with that awful burst spice taste in my mouth since switching to the scrubber method either.

 

[tele]

Also the vapor will be much smoother. Another aspect when it comes to strenght of a dose is to take it all in single inhalation and keep it in at least 7 seconds.

I usually hold in one giant hit until I feel the ultra light feeling, and then I take one more, because I found that ingesting multiple hits will take things to another level.

I have used a hash pickle made of quartz before. It works great and the vapor is smooth.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a GVG?

One hit, so there's nothing left for the second one.

GVG is glass vapor genie, look at vaporgenie website. The ultimate DMT vaporizer in my experience (And I suppose in many other nexians, too)

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

So I have seen many models of this vapor genie.
The only one I have access to buying for a decent price is the wooden one. ( I really dig the glass ones but my local shop doesnt carry them)
Has anybody used this consistently for dmt?
Just want to make sure I'm making a smart worthy purchase.

 

[rjb]

So I have seen many models of this vapor genie.
The only one I have access to buying for a decent price is the wooden one. ( I really dig the glass ones but my local shop doesnt carry them)
Has anybody used this consistently for dmt?
Just want to make sure I'm making a smart worthy purchase.

The wooden one is the VG, and it does work very good. Can't compare it to the GVG, as I haven't used one, but should be pretty close. The only disadvantage at first might be that you can't see the vapor forming, but once you get used to the basic vaporization technique, it's a delight to use. I have a machine still lying around, but the VG just delivers such a clean, easy vapor that I haven't felt the need to change the device any longer. Oh, remember to use a scrubber mesh though, makes a worlds difference.

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

The scrubber mesh is that steel wool looking stuff, yea?

 

[smokerx]

The scrubber mesh is that steel wool looking stuff, yea?

its not steel wool do not use steel wool.

 

[tele]

So I have seen many models of this vapor genie.
The only one I have access to buying for a decent price is the wooden one. ( I really dig the glass ones but my local shop doesnt carry them)
Has anybody used this consistently for dmt?
Just want to make sure I'm making a smart worthy purchase.

works well but needs some practice, I recommend you get the carved one, instead of the round one, as the carved doesn't have aluminum middle piece that causes increase in temperature and one can feel hot air entering the mouth. Torch lighter and steel/copper scrubber mesh(not wool) is what you need and make it right size(info on nexus on that)

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

I'm aware. I remember using a volcano for oil and noticed the mesh for it resembled steel wool.
I think I'll just wait a little while and get a gvg sherlock.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

With my VG, I have broken through to elf-land on 26 milligrams. The key is getting it all in one it, and a (G)VG is EXCELLENT at that, supposing the technique is good. And that only comes with practice, unless you are a lucky one who gets it first time (like my wife!)

I dont use jetlighters with my VG. They are hard to aim with the angle the pipe is at, so it has burned the outside of the bulb. Also, the one time I got it with a torch I had a really strong way-too-intense experience that could either be chalked up to that or residual MAO inhibition from aya taken about 12 hours before.

If you dont have the scrubber, about 7-10 screens in the VG will work, with a little herb (inert or otherwise). But steel wool is tops. If there isn't sufficient scaffolding to hold the stuff it just leaks down into the pipe (which makes for damn interesting resin, we vape cannabis from it too and the resin is basically hash laced with DMT!)

 

[smokerx]

But steel wool is tops.

As I said do not use steel wool it is bad idea. Copper mesh (chore boy) is the best one but the steel mesh will do as all.

Steel wool is easy to burn and you do not want to inhale that do you ?

 

[mindatlarge1389]

to each their own but i find the more i smoke the more of a cluster-funk in my brain and i open my eyes 15 mins later having noo idea where iv been or what i saw

 

[rjb]

Steel wool is easy to burn and you do not want to inhale that do you ?

In an attempt to shed some light over this matter once and for all (for me, at least), I am going to challenge that affirmation. Now, from my personal experience, steel wool is actually steel fibers, assembled in a way in which it resembles wool. Some of those are mesh-looking or curly-looking. This is what I'm referring to in the next lines. Sponge lined with wool-looking (plastic) fibers don't qualify. Those are indeed nasty and will burn if you light them up.

Now, with that definition in mind, let's ask ourselves the following question: what's the temperature at which steel burns? That is to say BURN, not melt. Well, from what I've read over the internet, combined with my intuition (steel being one of the hardest metals on earth), it results that steel burns - that is to say, it ignites & supports burning without the aid of a flame - at over 1000 degrees celsius (I've seen answers ranging from 1260C to 1450C; either way, it's definitely over 1000). My line of thinking, and my personal experience with steel wool tells me you're not going to get over 200 C when you insert that steel wool inside a smoking device.

Now, with the toxic fumes it's another business. What you probably meant was "don't smoke from steel wool JUST bought from the supermarket". Common sense tells me that the oily stuff that is on the commercial steel wool can be get rid of. Get that steel wool in an open flame - over a kitchen stove flame is just fine, keep it there until it gets red and then some more (it won't catch fire if it's the kind of steel wool I described in the opening line), and let everything burn off of it. That means keep it in the fire until absolutely no smoke (and no funny smells) emerge. Do this repeatedly, alternating sides of the steel wool mesh, to make sure all the nasty stuff is gone.

For me the above "sterilization" procedure is more than enough and I truly believe that steel wool prepared that way is as good as copper mesh. Not that you shouldn't do the same for your copper mesh as well. Just saying.

No one should take the above explanation as the absolute truth, and definitely don't take it personally. It's only based on my personal knowledge and experience. I just want to clear up this issue, because for some of us copper meshes aren't so readily available. Plus, it's always nice to have a backup solution.

to each their own but i find the more i smoke the more of a cluster-funk in my brain and i open my eyes 15 mins later having noo idea where iv been or what i saw

You're most probably using too much. What are you loading up and how much do you think you get in before you pass out?

 

[Guyomech]

...and if you are using a regular old pipe, try putting a 1/8" layer of ash over the spice- it will prevent it from being contacted by open flame and facilitates better vaporization. 25-30mg with this method should be plenty.