How "Real" is DMT?

[aliendreamtime]

seeing light in darkness

Hey all, just have a couple things that have been on my mind for quite a while that I'd like to share with you. I keep my chemically induced mystical experiences at large enough intervals to cast some doubt as to their authenticity. But everytime I have one, I am reminded how very authentic they are. Here's a bit of a reason why I believe they are demonstrably "real."

If you remember back to highschool chemistry, our eyesight is a function of a specific spectrum of electromagnetic radiation from the sun, and now...lightbulbs... that we call light. Also in the electromagnetic spectrum are gamma rays, radio waves, ultraviolet rays, infrared waves, and of course the ones you see...light waves. When you break the visible spectrum of light down, you get the colors of the rainbow.

Curiously, the colors we see are reflections of light. So for instance, plant leaves are green becauswe they contain chloroplasts which contain chlorophyll- pigment mean to absorb light. Chlorophyll is thought to be green because green light is least valuable to the plant in order to undergo photosynthesis. Because the plant doesnt need green light for photosynthesis, it reflects it. However, it absorbs ALL other colors of the rainbow- blue, yellow, red, etc. This is true of anything you can see. If you see a red car, its red because it was painted with a particular type of paint that absorbs all colors of the visible light spectrum EXCEPT red. Instead red is the only color reflected which is the only color you see. So in essence, you can only see the color that something ISN'T. If I see blue, its all colors but blue.

Now, it should be obvious from these facts that you CANNOT see colors in darkness. I'm no expert on this, but I believe you need to use different rods and cones in your retina to see in darkness, because the colored ones wont respond. Instead you have to use grey rods and cones. Try it out for yourself. Next time its dark, look at two different but brightly colored objects. While their hue may be the same ( for example, if you copy red and blue in a black and white copier, they may come out as the same shade of grey, which would mean they have the same hue) it should be difficult to see their original colors. I've whitnessed this when hunter's orange in the darkness appears only as light grey.

HOWEVER, when I have these immersive psychedelic experiences IN THE PITCH BLACK DARKNESS, I see all colors of the rainbow. How could this be, knowing what we know? It may have something to do with the efficiency of the eyes at absorbing miniscule amounts of light when pupils are exteremely dilated.

I read a book a while ago called The Cosmic Serpent by anthropologist Jeremy Narby, who claims ultimately that the colorful visions had as a result of these experiences is really the light transmitted by DNA in the transcription process or something similar to that, I read the book a while ago . It was a great read btw, highly reccommended.

So what do you guys think?

 

[Wyntur]

This makes me curious.. I feel like knowing your Aura is very important now.

 

[gory dkalz]

Rods and cones can react to stimuli other than light. They react mechanically from internal rises in pressure. Press lightly on your closed eyes in a pitch black room and after a while it can seem blindingly bright and full of color. The visuals from psychedelics probably come from another form of stimuli. I posted a great article about it on another thread here but I'm on my iPhone so I can't find it and repost it. But a google search for Phosphenes will lead to more knowledge than I can provide.

EDIT:
I found the link to that article.

Entoptic Hallucination

Flickering geometric hallucinations, or phosphenes, are one of the most commonly reported visual effects of psychedelics. Phosphenes are a sensation of light caused by excitation of the retina by mechanical or electrical means. Pressure phosphenes ca

psychedelic-information-theory.com

 

[joedirt]

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HOWEVER, when I have these immersive psychedelic experiences IN THE PITCH BLACK DARKNESS, I see all colors of the rainbow. How could this be, knowing what we know?

The first time my wife tried DMT we were in our bedroom with all the windows closed and shades pulled down. Out bedroom is BLACK as night. No light leaking through.

I loaded the vaporizer and let my wife go first. She took a hit and laid back down on her back. She sat up a few minutes later and said it only made her feel strange but no visions.

So I loaded my dose, without thinking to first clear her obviously unfinished dose....

What happened next was utterly staggering. I was thrust into a 2D box of intense white light. I eventually regained control of my body and sat up in bed with a gasp. When I did so I opened my eyes and the entire bedroom was lit up with an orange glow. I turned to my wife and from her heart center was an orange glow that literally illuminated the entire bedroom. In addition her skin looked like 3D computer graphic wire mesh with searing hot lines of white chasing lines of orange streaking threw her body.

Beyond that consider this. Your eye's don't really see. They send signals down your optic nerve and your visual cortex creates a world map for you. It's your visual cortex that also creates your dream world. What exactly is it that illuminates a dream, or DMT, or life? Every single religion pretty much talks about the 'light'

Light is life.

Peace

 

[Wyntur]

Love your life, Live your legacy(;

 

[۩]

How real? Realer than real.

What's that supposed to mean? Smoke DMT.

 

[a1pha]

How exactly does the OP define "real"? I think we'd need to know that before commenting.

 

[darkunft]

humes says that one cant be sure whats real, because of the problem of the outside (you cant be sure what your senses tell you). So you could decide whats real for you.
But "Nature has not left this to choice", because if you feel pain you will probably react to it and have to react to it

do you react to DMT or your DMT experiences?

btw my education is literature so i can be off a little bit, please correct me if i am not fully explaining humes theory

 

[tele]

Life is what you make of it, so is DMT.

 

[Infectedstyle]

Some people think that photons are the origin of dreams and imagination but the truth is that I don't know . N'either does anyone else.

I always take those radical DNA theories serious because it has shown to have an electromagnetic part and junk DNA isn't actually junk. How real is dmt? I don't know, i've never even done dmt. But i'm sure they are just as real as dreams. And i recently argued with someone who thinks lucid dreaming is bull because it's not real. When you are actually in a lucid dream it doesn't matter if it is real or not. You just go with the flow and you build the most amazing memories anyone can wish for. And the deeper you go. At some point it should become evident what the nature is of your experience.

 

[benzyme]

claims ultimately that the colorful visions had as a result of these experiences is really the light transmitted by DNA in the transcription process or something similar to that, I read the book a while ago . It was a great read btw, highly reccommended.

So what do you guys think?

I think it's an interesting analogy, but it's akin to telling a child that storks deliver babies. the visuals have little to do with light, and more to do with neural signaling. the V1 cortex just happens to be the projector screen.

 

[Global]

I don't disagree with you that the experiences are rooted in reality...somewhere in reality anyway. However the DMT visions have little to do with sight the way we typically think of seeing. With DMT, you're not using your rods and cones to come up with the colors. I mean, in reality, if you're in a bright room, the colors will be brighter because even with your eyes closed you still are receiving a mixture of visual input and wherever your input from DMT is coming from. I think what's going on is that you're taking external information that exists somewhere in the multiverse, holographically retrieving and processing it internally and projecting it into your immediate external surroundings. This is somewhat similar to eyesight in the sense that the world that you perceive is created by retrieving information from your immediate surroundings, processing it internally and projecting it out into the world around you. The main difference between the two is where you're getting your source data from. In the case of eyesight, it's from your immediate surroundings in time and space. In the case of DMT, I believe you're non-locally retrieving it from potentially anywhere independent of space and time.

 

[aliendreamtime]

What is meant by is it "real" is an interesting point. Because other than DMT whether psychedelic experiences are "real" would mean for me...are they the result of dysfunctional information retrieval or do you really have access to legitimate information/places that exists somewhere. With DMT though, its not ike an endogenous neurotransmitter, it is an e.n. So does it shift the mind into a different gear rendering it able to recieve new information or are we witnessing a detioration in function?

 

[Ice House]

How "Real" is DMT? How real is this thread I am replying to?

 

[oldtripper]

Alienlife, I think you should look into astronomy. Be something you would enjoy. there are filters like Oxy-III and nebula filters which filter out all but certain spectrums of light, namely green and blue so you can see the nebula colors. In fact winter is the perfect time as Orions Nebula is the brightest. Light travels at differnet speeds. the huma eye cannot see red light at that distance. Alot of people can see green and a few can see blue. The main object is to filter white and yellow light which travels the fastest(slowest?) which overrules all the other light. When you look at the andromeda galaxy all you can see is a grey smudge, no matter what the magnification, but look how beautiful those superlong exposures are you see in pics!r

 

[Vodsel]

Aliendreamtime, as you know, light in different wavelengths has no color by itself. It's an electromagnetic high frequency vibration. We have maps connecting wavelength in nanometers to subjective color experience, but the process through which 630nm EM waves become the experience of red (for non-color blind humans, that is) cannot be described because it falls outside of the realm of physics.

We can say that the experience of "redness" corresponds to a specific neural pattern developing in the visual cortex of the brain, but that doesn't untie the knot.

How real is the DMT experience? Define real. The only way you might doubt the "reality" of the psychedelic experience would be if you define real as the consensual, statistical, material reality. But by narrowing down so much the concept of reality you would be at the same time narrowing down just as much the relevance of the answer.

 

[Global]

What is meant by is it "real" is an interesting point. Because other than DMT whether psychedelic experiences are "real" would mean for me...are they the result of dysfunctional information retrieval or do you really have access to legitimate information/places that exists somewhere. With DMT though, its not ike an endogenous neurotransmitter, it is an e.n. So does it shift the mind into a different gear rendering it able to recieve new information or are we witnessing a detioration in function?

"Dysfunctional information retrieval" and a "deterioration in function" seem a bit unfounded, even from the perspective that the experience is completely internal and "all in your head". It's very possible that you aren't actually accessing real realms of data (though I wouldn't agree), but to call it a deterioration in function when people can glean such positive, useful, helpful information seems uncalled for. If you call into question the validity of DMT's chemically induced experience, you will logically be forced along similar conclusions for your experience in waking consciousness. Your entire life is mediated by endogenous neurotransmitters which paints a picture of reality different from the way it is. Could it be that they're both illusions? And illusion or not, this doesn't stop you from retrieving important, valid information along with the nonsense that is (hopefully) suppressed.

The late Dr. John Lorber was a neurology professor at the University of Sheffield. At some point, the campus doctor was treating one of the math majors for something minor when he noticed his head was a little larger than normal and referred the student to Dr. Lorber. This math major was academically bright, had an IQ of 126 and was expected to graduate. Upon receiving the results of his CAT-scan, Dr. Lorber discovered that he had practically no brain at all! He was suffering from an extreme case of hydrocephalus and had less than 20% cerebral tissue. He had a perfectly normal life and ended up with an honors degree in mathematics. His case is far from unique. Professor Lorber carried out a study of hydrocephalus at the University of Sheffield and discovered that there was no relation between the volume of the brain. Out of the 253 subjects, 9 had around 5% the normal brain tissue and 4 of them had IQ's above 100 and 2 others had IQ's above 126, and one turned out to be as intelligent as the professors studying him.

So why do I bring this up? Here we have a handful of intelligent individuals, leading normal lives with close to no cerebral matter, and yet here they are, experiencing the world just like everyone else. It lends more credence to the concept that the brain is merely mediating consciousness, but in these extreme cases the brain turns out to be redundant. These people are still having emotions, receiving sensations, getting advanced degrees, and no thanks to their brains and neurochemistry. Some food for thought to mull over on this subject of what's real via assessing brain chemistry.

 

[aliendreamtime]

Good point vodsel. I guess since we generate color in response to given wavelengths it would be easier to generate without stimuluation, than if color were itself physical.

 

[Lost travellier]

Very interesting subject! ...More than 20 years back I had a love with heavy psychostimulants and in that timeses with me happened absolutely incredible belongings. Exactly at that time I have understood that world indeed quite not that as we are given by description usual reality. Who guilty that us on eye have tied up the dirty scrap of the torn rag and have said that this - all? Aliens, put in our brain metaprogram? Or leaders - a prophets, tried in word say Truth? But can be in general - first was a Word, and thereafter we in its captivity is torn away from PARADISE? -No sense to search for guilty. -a Reason our don't care remains in captivity beside our words. Simply its it is necessary to deliver on place, -do once again whole only instrument for way of life, than it originally and was shown until has seized authority. /It has said T.McKenna in book 'Food of Gods' (if I have not the memory)/. Realy each person has the right not order that that he belongs to? Indeed on our hands not so much whole: health, will, feeling, memory, body, life power, intention, realization (the perception), reason... And if realization (the perception) opens us eye, but reason hangs rag on them that cost (stand)s to choose each for longing onward?... Now essentially question: I agree with idea that ALL - there is energy. Absolutely all. But already afterwards vibrations to energy form the sets of the combinations, giving including subject ('real') visible world. But if move the centre of the management ('I there is') in zone of the action of the realization (the perceptions), that obtruded by reason of the border will become are seen, crowd;cramp and week. And then appears the possibility to perceive, feel, see, hear and signifies - is found in true reality, which us always surround... But question on how to we herewith its see -paradise or hell, in what colour and contents - is already secondary, since depends on the current conditions and from most watcher. Personally I 20 years back saw in the night being in unacquainted house in full darkness in locked room as weak greenish glow poured around sidebar all subject (the thickness in 2-5 centimetres), on which I could be liberally orientated in space. I touched the hand this glow and it was felt as alive. The Timeses its brightness began to pulse exactly in tact beating my heart. This was strangely! Exactly similar described K.Kastaneda in its experience with Mescalito. In the other timeses, when I already parted with drugs, I saw the phosphorescence a subject and people in their own dreams, once upon a time touched to hand favorably smiling collapsed in easy chair of the woman and has felt that she real springy and warm as beside real person, - I have felt simply shock... The Secrets, which I never shall be able to understand... The Truth - an energy (the light), but what choose the go-between a realization - is described in many good book (beside K.Kastaneda -all books about this). Good luck all us!

 

[Citta]

Off-topic:

Lost travellier, it's really difficult to understand what it is you're writing. Just thought I'd let you know!