How to know if you break thrtough ?

[sigmundfreuid]

I know it might sound like a silly question but at what point of a trip are your breaking through

and how does Swim know when hes in hyperspace ?

 

[Eden]

The common saying here is, "when you breakthrough, you know it".

No one else will be able to tell you. It's a completely alien and mind shattering experience. You will know. :d

 

[hyperspacing]

You will know. When you lose yourself, your body, your mind. You will know.

 

[gammagore]

ye, what the posters above said.

You will know when it happens, I have no words to describe it.

 

[Ginkgo]

That's a good question that doesn't have any other good answer than when you actually break through, you know it. It may be described as an experience where you not only see and interact with entities, but actually feel like you are there with the entities.

You are in other words transported out of your physical body, often accompanied by a complete obliteration of your ego, known as an ego death. However, you may reach hyperspace while still having parts of your ego intact. I really wish I could explain it better, but the human language doesn't suffice...

 

[Methtical]

The funny thing is, once you do breakthrough, and someone asks YOU how they will know if they've broken through, you'll smile and say "oh, you'll know!"

Methtical

 

[skinwalker]

i dont think any of those are concerete answers to his/her question. In my worthless opinion i would say three factors are typically met

1. you pass through some sort of membrane, collage of colors
2. you have some sort of ego loss/death (for me i forgot who i was , assumed i had died, didnt even know how i died or where i was)
3. you interact briefly with external entities, however they (it?) may not necessarily be visible depending on the situation.

4? you will know it like everyone else said!

 

[Felnik]

for a while in the beginning i thought i knew.

Then when it really happened it was more fantastic and beyond anything imageable .

its true what everyone says you will know it when it happens.

there is a jewel in there if you keep looking.

 

[elbowcups]

I think it's important not to hunger for a breakthrough too much. When it happens, just be prepared to accept it. As others have said here, you'll just know

 

[hyperspacing]

Its very important to except it when it comes. If it scares you and you resist your in for a bumpy ride. If my trip gets iffy I've tried to train my mind to repeat "this is nice" "this is good" until I get through it. But when you lose ego ie lose your mind its difficult to remember why its even happening. Regardless I'm always going back for more. :shock:
-goodluck and safe journies friend

 

[Eden]

Its very important to except it when it comes. If it scares you and you resist your in for a bumpy ride.

In Strassmanss studies, his biggest advice was to "give in" to whatever was happening, whether it be good or bad.

Fighting any "evil" in hyperspace does not work. We are completely powerless over the inhabitants of that dimension. By giving in, it becomes possible to let go of your fear.

And if you give in to the good, it only gets better.

 

[gibran2]

As I said in this thread, when you break through, you’ll KNOW it.

I’ll also add, for me at least, that most breakthroughs are accompanied by very specific visual characteristics. Typically, a breakthrough begins with my entire visual field filled with what resembles reddish or bluish-colored undulating clouds or smoke in texture, but with incredibly detailed colorful moving surfaces. This “cloud” descends, getting closer and closer, and as it does I see more and more of the detailed structure of it.

It finally reaches me, and typically one of two things happens: either it passes through me – “into” me is maybe more accurate – and fills me with incredible euphoria, and then I find myself literally on the other side. Alternatively, as the cloud reaches me, it crushes me out of existence (not a pleasant feeling) and then , after an indeterminate period of non-existence, I find myself on the other side.

A sub-breakthrough experience either doesn’t have this “cloud” feature at all, or if it does, it approaches but slows to a crawl and then never passes through me.

Here’s what the “clouds” look like, but imagine them filling your entire visual field, red or blue, and surfaced with incredibly detailed “features”:

 

[skinwalker]

for me its like a membrane or a shield or a disk spinning. unfortunately all i can remeber is that is had lots of colors and possibly other details that i cannot remember

 

[Samadhi-Sukha-Upekkha]

skinwalker, those pictures appear to represent the "chrysanthemum" more than hyperspace. Where's the immersive 3D reality?

A true hyperspace breakthrough will, as described above, result in at least some period of complete removal from the body. There will be little-to-no difference between eyes open and eyes closed, not that you're likely to realize that you have eyes or that they can be moved. After all, how could ~you~ do something? Reality is happening to you at lightspeed in at least 3 immersive spatial dimensions. With what body would you do anything, if you exist as a being of pure consciousness?

Or at least, that's how it is experienced by some.

 

[TrustLoveMan]

for me its like a membrane or a shield or a disk spinning. unfortunately all i can remeber is that is had lots of colors and possibly other details that i cannot remember

I wouldn't call that a breakthrough but It's really cool. I think that's you seeing Mckenna's chrysanthemum. Apparently you can go through that into another world.

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skinwalker, those pictures appear to represent the "chrysanthemum" more than hyperspace. Where's the immersive 3D reality?

Lol, I agree with you SSU. It's tough for me to breakthrough and I haven't ever been there very long. But, things get even crazier.

 

[skinwalker]

skinwalker, those pictures appear to represent the "chrysanthemum" more than hyperspace. Where's the immersive 3D reality?

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that is a picture of what one might see PRIOR to the breakthrough (step 1). the break through itself looks nothing like that.

 

[skinwalker]

I wouldn't call that a breakthrough but It's really cool. I think that's you seeing Mckenna's chrysanthemum. Apparently you can go through that into another world.
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that is the substrate that is "broken through" not at all representative of what is on the other side. also with the same logic are you claiming colorful clouds (like the ones gibran2 refered to) is "not a breakthrough"...:?:

 

[skinwalker]

Direct from Mckenna describing a "breakthrough" which your right does appear similiar to my own description

And you fall back into this hallucinogenic space, and what you see is a slowly rotating red and orange kind of thing, which, over the years we've nicknamed, uh, "The Chrysanthemum." And it's.. this represents some kind of disequilibrium state that has its roots in the synapses. What's happening as you're watching this Chrysanthemum is that millions and then hundreds of millions of DMT molecules are rushing into these serotonin bond sites in the synaptic cleft and disrupting the serotonin and switching the electron spin resonance signature of these neural junctions in this "other" direction. And then, if you've taken enough DMT (and it has to do entirely with physical capacity: Did you take, did you cross the threshold?) something happens [clap]... for which there are no words. A membrane is rent, and you are propelled into this "place." And language cannot describe it - accurately. Therefore I will inaccurately describe it.

 

[corpus callosum]

There are many layers to the DMT experience and to achieve the highly sought-after breakthrough there is a minimum threshold that you need to cross.When you do, particularly the first few times, the degree of astonishment you experience will be unmatched by any of your previous forays into these realms.

I find that each and every breakthrough is qualitatively different ie 'hyperspace' doesnt appear to be a homogeneous place.It seems to me, particularly when talking about vaporised freebase with no augmentation, it is predominantly a function of your vaporisation technique and how much you get in in that first mammoth breath.Inhaling 40mg approx in one breath will give you a harder experience compared to doing it in multiple breaths.Try it and see:roll: :lol: :x

There is also a dose and technique-dependant upper limit where you undoubtedly breakthrough but the experience becomes so manic and ethereal that all the preliminary 'signposts' like the chrysanthemum are not discerned due to the velocity of the onset.These kinds of experiences can take you to a place where the pace, beauty and sometimes horror preclude the appreciation of anything remotely sentient.