How to measure dosage when vaping?

[Carl_Explorer]

I am a newbie and used an a e-liquid DMT cart, 1ml-700mg for the 1st time this week.
It immediately occurred to me that dosing is quite difficult: when you inhale once, how much DMT actually are you inhaling??
I mean, I do know that the cart used is filled with 1ml-700mg of DMT, but if I am to follow the wise advices for beginners (aka start a first use with 15-20 mg, not more), then my question would be: how much tokes of the above mentioned cart are the equivalent of 20 mg ingested?
If anybody could enlight me that would be much appreciated - thank you

 

[redbird]

The only way i know of is:
- weigh the cart
- use a stop watch to take a 5 sec toke
- weigh the cart again
- divide difference in weight by 5, then adjust for strength of carrier

e.g. 1ml PG = ~1.036g + 700 mg dmt = 40.3 % dmt by weight
5 sec pull consumes 50mg cart or ~20mg dmt
Vape pulls ~4mg dmt per second

Do a few different measurements at a few different durations to collect a good range of data points to average out for accuracy

 

[Qoniaq]

I use a 700mg to .3ml PG vape all the time.
So, for me, at 100kg here is the breakdown:
1 X 5-6 SECOND pull is my handshake dose. I can feel it, but it is sub psychedelic. Mostly body load, like coming down from schrooms.
2 X 5-6 second pull is a mild dose. Can be enjoyed as a mini chill.
3X 5-6 second pull is a strong dose. This should be very noticeable, strong effects, but not necessarily fully out of body.
now, for breakthroughs, I go 3 X 10-12 seconds for a total pull time of 30+ seconds. Or 2 X 15-16 seconds if you can handle it.
essentially, total of 5 seconds is a handshake, 10 seconds a mild dose, 20 a large dose, and 30+ a breakthrough.
You can just as easily ''lean'' into it as well. So do a 3-4 seconds pull, hold it. Do another, hold it, keep going till you feel you are high enough. Not as easy for a full blown breaktrough, but superb for meditative doses.
Hope this helps!
P.S. I use a yocan uni 3.0 at 4.0 volts, and I get 10-20 sessions on a cart depending on my huffage.

 

[Carl_Explorer]

The only way i know of is:
- weigh the cart
- use a stop watch to take a 5 sec toke
- weigh the cart again
- divide difference in weight by 5, then adjust for strength of carrier

e.g. 1ml PG = ~1.036g + 700 mg dmt = 40.3 % dmt by weight
5 sec pull consumes 50mg cart or ~20mg dmt
Vape pulls ~4mg dmt per second

Do a few different measurements at a few different durations to collect a good range of data points to average out for accuracy

That's a very clever way- math dont' lie- thanks!

 

[Carl_Explorer]

I use a 700mg to .3ml PG vape all the time.
So, for me, at 100kg here is the breakdown:
1 X 5-6 SECOND pull is my handshake dose. I can feel it, but it is sub psychedelic. Mostly body load, like coming down from schrooms.
2 X 5-6 second pull is a mild dose. Can be enjoyed as a mini chill.
3X 5-6 second pull is a strong dose. This should be very noticeable, strong effects, but not necessarily fully out of body.
now, for breakthroughs, I go 3 X 10-12 seconds for a total pull time of 30+ seconds. Or 2 X 15-16 seconds if you can handle it.
essentially, total of 5 seconds is a handshake, 10 seconds a mild dose, 20 a large dose, and 30+ a breakthrough.
You can just as easily ''lean'' into it as well. So do a 3-4 seconds pull, hold it. Do another, hold it, keep going till you feel you are high enough. Not as easy for a full blown breaktrough, but superb for meditative doses.
Hope this helps!
P.S. I use a yocan uni 3.0 at 4.0 volts, and I get 10-20 sessions on a cart depending on my huffage.

Very informative and clear, that helps thank you; actually I am at the 1x 5-6 second pull and the effect is quite similar to what you describe. But, to make sure I understood, you pull from a 700mg in a 0.3 ml cart, don't you? So in my case, as I am using a 700mg in a 1ml cart, one 5-6 second pull should be 3 times more powerful than your's, right? Or not?

 

[blig-blug]

you pull from a 700mg in a 0.3 ml cart, don't you? So in my case, as I am using a 700mg in a 1ml cart, one 5-6 second pull should be 3 times more powerful than your's, right? Or not?

Yours is weaker: 700mg DMT per 0.3ml is equivalent to 2.33g DMT per 1ml. So each second inhaling from @Qoniaq's vape would be equivalent to 3.3 seconds of yours, all else being equal.

 

[Qoniaq]

Very informative and clear, that helps thank you; actually I am at the 1x 5-6 second pull and the effect is quite similar to what you describe. But, to make sure I understood, you pull from a 700mg in a 0.3 ml cart, don't you? So in my case, as I am using a 700mg in a 1ml cart, one 5-6 second pull should be 3 times more powerful than your's, right? Or not?

You are using the same as me. My cart holds a total of 1ml (same as you) of volume. In order to make a full cart, you use 700 mg of spice to 0.3ml of PG. That fills up the cart. Don't forget the spice also has volume. This 2:1 (ish) ratio is my daily go-to. I have gone higher and lower concentrations before, but this is a great ''all-around'' concentration. you can use it recreationally, or deep. Higher concentrations are more 'one and done' hits. Less room for fine tuning your altitude. Let us know how it goes!
PLUR
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[blig-blug]

The cart holds a total of 1ml of volume. In order to make a full cart, you use 700 mg of spice to 0.3ml of PG.

If that's the case, then @Carl_Explorer forget what I said. I don't use carts so I wasn't aware of how the volume changes, I don't measure it.

But, are you sure of that, @Qoniaq? Do 0.3ml of PG with 700mg DMT dissolved actually have a volume of 1ml, or are you talking about weight?

 

[Qoniaq]

If that's the case, then @Carl_Explorer forget what I said. I don't use carts so I wasn't aware of how the volume changes, I don't measure it.

But, are you sure of that, @Qoniaq? Do 0.3ml of PG with 700mg DMT dissolved actually have a volume of 1ml, or are you talking about weight?

It's the teeniest bit under completely full with 700mg to .3ml pg. I use CCEL ceramic 1ml carts.

 

[Qoniaq]

It's the teeniest bit under completely full with 700mg to .3ml pg. I use CCEL ceramic 1ml carts.

Next run, I'll snap some pics for ya'll. maybe in a month or so. I am all good for supply right now.

 

[Carl_Explorer]

You are using the same as me. My cart holds a total of 1ml (same as you) of volume. In order to make a full cart, you use 700 mg of spice to 0.3ml of PG. That fills up the cart. Don't forget the spice also has volume. This 2:1 (ish) ratio is my daily go-to. I have gone higher and lower concentrations before, but this is a great ''all-around'' concentration. you can use it recreationally, or deep. Higher concentrations are more 'one and done' hits. Less room for fine tuning your altitude. Let us know how it goes!
PLUR
Q

Now I finally got it: 700mg spice + 0.3 ml PG and we have more or less 1 ml in a cart. Makes sense and explains why the effects you described for 1 pull 5-6 sec (body load aka after mushrooms) was exactly what I felt (but only for few minutes of course as effect duration much much sorter than mushs). Now I am beginning to walk on a documented area. Thanks again

 

[Qoniaq]

Now I finally got it: 700mg spice + 0.3 ml PG and we have more or less 1 ml in a cart. Makes sense and explains why the effects you described for 1 pull 5-6 sec (body load aka after mushrooms) was exactly what I felt (but only for few minutes of course as effect duration much much sorter than mushs). Now I am beginning to walk on a documented area. Thanks again

yeah man!!! happy hyperspace!!! don't forget your breath. it is key...

 

[Carl_Explorer]

I use a 700mg to .3ml PG vape all the time.
So, for me, at 100kg here is the breakdown:
1 X 5-6 SECOND pull is my handshake dose. I can feel it, but it is sub psychedelic. Mostly body load, like coming down from schrooms.
2 X 5-6 second pull is a mild dose. Can be enjoyed as a mini chill.
3X 5-6 second pull is a strong dose. This should be very noticeable, strong effects, but not necessarily fully out of body.
now, for breakthroughs, I go 3 X 10-12 seconds for a total pull time of 30+ seconds. Or 2 X 15-16 seconds if you can handle it.
essentially, total of 5 seconds is a handshake, 10 seconds a mild dose, 20 a large dose, and 30+ a breakthrough.
You can just as easily ''lean'' into it as well. So do a 3-4 seconds pull, hold it. Do another, hold it, keep going till you feel you are high enough. Not as easy for a full blown breaktrough, but superb for meditative doses.
Hope this helps!
P.S. I use a yocan uni 3.0 at 4.0 volts, and I get 10-20 sessions on a cart depending on my huffage.

Last question if you will: you said you use a yocan at 4.0 volt. I read somewhere that this is too much and can burn the spice, which must ideally be heated around 160-170 C°. But with 4V, you should be above, no? I use a v-mod at its lowest of the 3 setups available: 2.6V (I also read that voltage will heat at +- 160-170 C°).

 

[Qoniaq]

for me, I find 3.8 to 4.0 to be fine. I like a strong flavor, that heavenly taste....yum! it does not burn it. at least not in my experience. your impedance should show between 1.4 and 1.7 ohms or so.