How to navigate and interact in hyperspace?

[Ernestine]

In some experiences it seems like I need to provide some input, a response to what is happening, that would allow the experience to proceed or deepen. I do not know how to do this and I have struggled to find any advice or guidance to direct me in this endeavour.

Similarly I have wondered if some people can direct their path through the experiences. Is that possible.

All thoughts and advice appreciated.

 

[Ernestine]

I am most surprised that none of the experienced spice travellers here can answer this question.

 

[Varallo]

It seems that I missed your post, it’s in a way a rather difficult question that is probably also very personal in its answering, anyway I will try to give some insight into how it works for me. For me to dive in and do something more than just undergoing I need to stretch the experience a bit so I like to add harmalas in the mix to have a little bit of time, or at times I like to add the dmt to an Aya journey.

So when diving in it feels like I’m going for a swim in a magical lake, an enormous endless lake of incredible possibilities and adventure. Then all of sudden I break the surface and feel this incredible feeling of being home, meeting my friends and family from the other side. Usually we talk on what I have been up to and then listen to what they have to say. Somehow I have built up a relationship with allot of the inhabitants of this place. Usually they invite me on some kind of adventure, or need me to observe something important. In this state I’m not too sure if I talk, think or if I am the response, the deeper you go into those states the less clear it becomes.

So on somewhat forming your own path it might help to think of it as if you’re reading a really good book. You just forget about the world and the story is just there, you are the story, that feels very similar to what a trip feels, the control is not what is in the book but you have some influence on the story you pick. So how do you jump in, are you going for an adventure or is it introspection that you’re looking for? The stage is set and the better you know yourself the better you can judge the book you’re going to read.

Within the experience I always try to be curious even when I’m not too sure what the goal is, I try to be just there, nothing more. Within that state you’re able to focus on some things, usually just that intention is enough to move in certain direction. It might not become what you’re aiming for but it will enable you to have some influence.

On a more practical level I think what really matters is doing it a lot, practice in this matter really helps, and it took me a good few years to really understand how I can be in my world. And even now I get a nice surprise every once in a while, I guess it’s part of the lure, the certain random aspects that make you keep going back.

Let me know how you think about your travels and your goals, maybe I can be more specific on how I would approach this and help you out.

Take care and thanks for bringing your post to my attention

 

[Ernestine]

Thanks for your reply @Varallo
I'm also using harmalas to extend the experience. I find it makes the pace much more manageable.

In many experiences I am the observer and that's ok, often I am being taught something on the themes of destructiveness and danger of rage and the importance of teaching and protecting children.

Occasionally, the experience is like a show that's put on for my benefit and it is very gratifying and pleasurable. The show knows my mind and responds to it which is delicious. It is a bit like a duet, or at least the beginning of one. At some point it wants more from me, some kind of response to the dance moves that are occurring, for me to take up my part of the duet, but I don't know how to do it. I feel like if I could respond, things would deepen further. Since i cannot respond things fizzle out, leaving me quite frustrated, and it seems like there's frustration on their part too. Unfulfilled potential.
As I write this, it occurs to me that i could maybe ask for guidance on how to play in this space but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, do I just hold it as an intention in my mind?

 

[Varallo]

A bit more practical in this response.
So might I ask what the amount of dmt is, in my opinion there’s an optimal amount, to little and you’re definitely a spectator and to much leaves you to bewildered to respond. So for me it’s the amount that leaves me with a realization that I have body parts like arms for at least some part of the experience. Im not sure if it’s common, but when I manage to move my head or arm I can usually change the scenery, somehow this intensional movement influences the experience. It doesn’t really stirs it but it does change it.

So before interacting in that space I would first try to move when you’re there and really look around. So go in with the intention to turn around in the space, and look behind, this took me quite awhile but then it somehow clicked and now I’m able to do it, not always but when things are sufficiently calm I can. The closest way to describe it is to move through myself and look from the back, this sounds really strange but that’s how I feel it works. I feel that this was a major step. Maybe you figure out how it works for you, and please share it, it would be greatly interesting if there are common themes or tricks.

Then there is focusing, what works for me is to focus on an aspect that you want to inspect and talk with it like how you would do when you’re having an internal conversation. Somehow having a conversation with the place and inhabitants is really helpful in stirring the environment and exploring it more like a traveler. Then I think that there is the interaction you’re looking for, sometimes it’s just happening and sometimes I have a little bit of control in the interaction but it’s not that I can force it. At best I can hope for it and try but sometimes the trip needs to just happen.

For a long period I had these views on what it was to be psychonaut and most of my trips were revolving around that theme and on how to really understand this space and it’s inhabitants, I think I did not discover what that place is but I did discover who I was in that place.

So hope you have a try with some of the tips and maybe you can get them to work, Good luck and report back!

 

[Ernestine]

I'm searching for the optimum too, but I have no way of saying the exact amount due to using PG as the vehicle, approx 1:3 mix. I like it to be good hot vapour as I find that more potent, so I put high wattage on my mod and inhale slowly.
Much like you I'm seeking optimum depth without bewilderment or forgetting what happened, although I'm trending towards higher than lower dose as I also find low a bit frustrating and unfulfilling.
My goals are to learn what I can from these experiences about myself and to explore "hyperspace". I have experienced quite a lot of joy and wonder which is not what I expected beforehand (i thought it would be much harder work in general, more grueling). I'm becoming interested in learning how to play around in this space and see where it goes.

I would love to be able to move my gaze as a first step and I will experiment with your suggestion of how to do this go from there. Linked to that, a frustrating experience I've had many times is being carried along through hyperspace, observing things, but then sort of being dumped off the end of the conveyor belt unable to look around and left on a metaphorical scrap heap or dead end, bemused.

 

[Varallo]

My goals are to learn what I can from these experiences about myself and to explore "hyperspace"

Yes yes yes, I completely understand that, great to hear! It’s a wonderful journey to find out how to navigate this space.
Since like me you are using a vape you can try to extend the experience by using oral harmalas, I like about 150 mg, and then what I do is attach a silicone tube to the vape and whenever I’m capable of feeling and noticing my hand I start to push the button and inhale. With a little bit of practice you can more or less stay submerged in hyperspace for a long time, for me longer than I actually want to spend there.

Anyway good luck and I’m looking forward to see if you manage to make a bit of progress.

 

[Voidmatrix]

One very simple thing you can do: notice where your "attention" is in a given moment and then shift from there and the "trajectory" can change. Otherwise, you may start to notice certain kinds of "choice points" that can allow interaction in some areas and in some contexts.

The above is easier said than done. Takes a little practice.

One love

 

[Kobranek]

I've entered realms that I feel that I am witnessing something so sacred that I am only humbled to stumble across and others that feel like I am the center of the universe.

I feel it is dependant on my set, setting intentions as these are the main factors that shape the experience with the exception to substance and dose.

Something that seems so benign can have a big impact that you had not realized before. One thing that comes to mind is what I'm truly feeling at the time and riding that wave through the experience.

There's always this one entity that seems very shy and only wants to engage when I'm not all stressed out and strung out with life, stays in my peripheral vision and has me striving for a more calm and collected state to engage. While other entities are more than willing to engage and can come across as downright parasitic, drawing off your energy reserves and leaving your feel depleted for some kinda show of power. I was able to steer the Jester (not kidding you straight graffix bong joker) away with his menacing presence by enchanting in my head, "you cannot break me, my ancestors fought every step of the way for me to make it this far. "

 

[Ernestine]

I've made a little progress. I am still not able to move my gaze very reliably but i was able to 'reconnect' into a trip where i was stuck in place and get moving again. I find thinking "look left" didn't work but just moving worked once. It's hard to explain.

I'm experimenting with being less caught up in the visual distraction and concentrating more on feelings. I'm getting a lot more experience out of the tail end of each dose (which can be lengthy with harmalas) by approaching it differently, finding there's more there then i had previously realised.