how to tell JWH soaked in bud from high grade

[unansweredquestions]

Around the past 6 months, iv had suspicions that people around my area have been soaking their bud in JWH in order to make it more potent to warrent a higher price.

my reason for this, certains highs have been far more intense than i remember experiencing (after taking a t-break, dropping my tollerance to scratch) under a light the bud will *shine* and crystals are clearly visible, in and on the outside of the bud. the bud is always very well dried. recently i even tapped a bud and crystals litteraly fell OFF the bud onto my hand.

since we seem to have many in the community with experience in both cannabis and JWH, anyone with any ideas on how to distinguish the two?

i know the most simple idea would be a simple smoke test, but as i took a while off growing, previously to stopping, i have smoked a fair bit of these strains. now their either very potent and well grown, or simply soaked.

As i just alluded too, i have stopped smoking for the best part of 6 months, so i cant exactly go and smoke a load of different strains and compare effects. they all get me simply too far gone. Also, i havnt smoked JWH itself, im not really into RC's so i have nothing to compare it to. for the record, i know at least it doesnt crackle or sparkle when being smoked.

any tips or ideas?

:x i really hate the fact that completly innocent substances are forced to be mixed with such criminaltiy. the lack of morals from some of these people is disgraceful.

 

[Opiyum]

I've infused a lot of herbs with JWh-xxx but I've never seen the JWh then falling off of the herbs later on, but perhaps they put a heck of a lot on the buds.
Annyway I sat an thought on this for awhile but I can't think of a way for sure to find out other than snooping around the persons house looking for spray bottles, 99%iso or Acetone, Glass pyrex pie plates with white residue left on them etc. Other than that I can't think of how you could know. I don't think you could pull the JWH out with any solvents that aren't also going to take a bunch of other stuff with them.
Those crystals you're seeing could always be the normal Trichromes and what not right?

Could you just ask them?

 

[Touche Guevara]

Isn't JWH active orally? Eating a bud without cooking it in fat/oil would only generate significant effects with the presence of JWH, right?

 

[Opiyum]

Isn't JWH active orally? Eating a bud without cooking it in fat/oil would only generate significant effects with the presence of JWH, right?

Yeah that's a great point. Take a bit of the bud and tuck it between your lip and gums and that should tell you.
Gonna be hard to know what will happen though because you won't know how much JWH is in there if any at all.

 

[LawnBoy]

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

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This does worry me, that all of this now "illegal" substance will go directly to the black market. All of this powder will be labeled as something other than what it actually is, and sold. It may be sold with or as 019, 250, cookies, hash, hash oil, cannabis, and most wouldn't be any wiser. Eye bought some cannabis candy at a music festival this summer. Eye was so suspicious of the buzz, because the candy was dirt cheap and Eye knew of the jwh compounds. It would be economical to add jwh compounds to shwag and call it "mid-grade." It would be economical to make food products. But, man, oh man, would it be unethical, in my eyes.

There are companies that can actually test for jwh compounds.
www.redwoodtoxicology.com/.../synthetic_cannabinoid_testing.html

 

[Electric.Sight]

Taste may be a good indicator. High quality cannabis tastes extremely pleasant, similar to that of hash or kief. I've never tasted burnt jwh-018, but vaped jwh-018 has an indole taste, somewhat similar to dmt. I imagine jwh soaked bud would taste noticeably worse than pure cannabis.

If you're particularly sensitive to noticing effects, jwh-018 has a longer onset than cannabis. If at first the toke feels weak but slowly builds to a decent level over a longer time than normal, it could be an indicator of jwh.

 

[۩]

Isn't JWH active orally? Eating a bud without cooking it in fat/oil would only generate significant effects with the presence of JWH, right?

Yeah that's a great point. Take a bit of the bud and tuck it between your lip and gums and that should tell you.
Gonna be hard to know what will happen though because you won't know how much JWH is in there if any at all.

I don't think this is true because hash is orally active.

 

[Infundibulum]

Around the past 6 months, iv had suspicions that people around my area have been soaking their bud in JWH in order to make it more potent to warrent a higher price.

my reason for this, certains highs have been far more intense than i remember experiencing (after taking a t-break, dropping my tollerance to scratch) under a light the bud will *shine* and crystals are clearly visible, in and on the outside of the bud. the bud is always very well dried. recently i even tapped a bud and crystals litteraly fell OFF the bud onto my hand.

since we seem to have many in the community with experience in both cannabis and JWH, anyone with any ideas on how to distinguish the two?

i know the most simple idea would be a simple smoke test, but as i took a while off growing, previously to stopping, i have smoked a fair bit of these strains. now their either very potent and well grown, or simply soaked.

As i just alluded too, i have stopped smoking for the best part of 6 months, so i cant exactly go and smoke a load of different strains and compare effects. they all get me simply too far gone. Also, i havnt smoked JWH itself, im not really into RC's so i have nothing to compare it to. for the record, i know at least it doesnt crackle or sparkle when being smoked.

any tips or ideas?

:x i really hate the fact that completly innocent substances are forced to be mixed with such criminaltiy. the lack of morals from some of these people is disgraceful.

Get a low power microscope or good magnifying glass and check your weed.

It is almost impossible that infusing jwh onto a herb won't mess with the a fair amount of the trichome structures. The rationale is that to infuse jwh you have to dissolve it in methanol/ethanol/IPA/acetone/ etc and then soak it onto the bud. These solvents allso dissolve cannabinoids pretty well and I'd be surprised if it doesn't mess a little bit with the trichome's structure.

You may even be able to see any (jwh) crystals, mold ete that may be residing on the weed. But things and esp. trichomes look OK then the bud is probably OK.

 

[actualfactual]

First off, buy from people you trust.

It is almost impossible that infusing jwh onto a herb won't mess with the a fair amount of the trichome structures. The rationale is that to infuse jwh you have to dissolve it in methanol/ethanol/IPA/acetone/ etc and then soak it onto the bud. These solvents allso dissolve cannabinoids pretty well and I'd be surprised if it doesn't mess a little bit with the trichome's structure.

This as well. The synths need to go into a solution of IPA or acetone, and these will definitely mess with the trichome structures. Also people generally break up the carrier before applying synths or else it will be uneven dosing.

If you think someone is shady enough to lace their product please take your business elsewhere.

 

[Opiyum]

Isn't JWH active orally? Eating a bud without cooking it in fat/oil would only generate significant effects with the presence of JWH, right?

Yeah that's a great point. Take a bit of the bud and tuck it between your lip and gums and that should tell you.
Gonna be hard to know what will happen though because you won't know how much JWH is in there if any at all.

I don't think this is true because hash is orally active.

Most hash has probably sat around and dehydrated or decarboxylated...whatever...so maybe that's why. I guess if the buds in question were dried for a long enough period than they too would be orally active... I don't know.
I'm no expert with weed.

Another Idea would be to buy a JWH-xxx urine screen...I don't know if those are even available to the public or not but that that would be a full proof way of knowing.

 

[sigmundfreuid]

Wow ,a fried of mine had this very problem like a year ago.He got some stuff from his trusted friend and it was super potent.
When he looked at it with a microscope,he saw little rectangular crystals.When he would smoke it,he would completely forget about stop signs or red lights on the street.
he almost got hit a couple of times.Its crazy.Its good to know that it wasnt meth .....

 

[unansweredquestions]

interesting ideas!

checking to see it it is sublingualy active. From what i know, pot has to be eaten to become active; to me, this seems likely the route ill take. anyone take JWH that way? any effects, onset times, durations i should be looking for as an indicator?

otherwise, im not sure if i have the ability to test it. possibly through a drug test, but as iv stopped now, i feel it wouldnt show. Further, with the amounth of different sources and strains, you could never be sure whos done what to their bud.

presumably you cant send samples of illegal drugs for testing in the UK without issue? please do correct me if im wrong.

ill also have a look in more detail at trichomes vs pictures of JWH spray in similar magnification. hopefuly the two will paint a clear picture.

its a real shame this stuff is starting, one more blow for cannabis.

 

[Infundibulum]

presumably you cant send samples of illegal drugs for testing in the UK without issue? please do correct me if im wrong.

You can send and you possibly should:

You need not to acknowledge at all that you are aware of any legal implication of the substance in question. You are a concerned person whose friend/son/grandmother etc seems to be destroying his life by smoking that stuff, you secretly nicked some from his stash and sent it for analysis because as long as you know what he's on you have better chances at trying to 1. understand how he may have been affected by this substance abuse 2.address issues with him as soon as you have an idea of what substance may be messing up with him.

Simple.

 

[polytrip]

I also suspect that cannabis buds are being impregnated with JWH-like compounds sometimes, simply because it is possible and it would pay off commercially.

It is completely possible though, that cannabis is extremely potent on it's own and sticky with crystals. There are plants that, when grown under the right circumstances, will be extremely sticky and covered with stuff that looks like crystals once they're ready for harvest. If plants are sticky by themselves that's usually a sign that they're extremely potent, because it is an abundance of hash, high in cannabinoids that makes it sticky. Most natural cannabinoids are waxy substances. They look like crystals because they're small drops that give the plant a bit of a shiny-dewdrop layer.

 

[endlessness]

Get a 60-100x pocket microscope, its cheap and very useful. It shows the trichomes perfectly, which are obviously not crystals from such magnification.. Its also good to see hash and so on.

 

[DiMiTriX]

yup trichomes are spherical crystals are crystals a lens 50x or 100x will say you what is it..if you are expert with weed maybe you could distinguish both just with you eyes as sugar is different from salt

 

[Opiyum]

interesting ideas!

checking to see it it is sublingualy active. From what i know, pot has to be eaten to become active; to me, this seems likely the route ill take. anyone take JWH that way? any effects, onset times, durations i should be looking for as an indicator?
.

I myself have only taken JWH orally by way of a solution. Personal favorite is to heat up some peanut butter and make a solution with that but that's beside the point. I do have a friend who would take the herbal blends sublingually. He reported a 20-40 minute onset and a duration of 2-6 hours.
I have seen a very wide variety of effects in people taking the same dose of the same compound and it's only exaggerated when taken orally.
Because you could confuse it with the high from oral marihuana the best bet probably is just getting a microscope. No proof quite like seeing something with your own two eyes.

 

[alladinsgrandpa]

no way of knowing for sure but from what your telling us those are trichomes. 95% sure. wheres my cannabis connasours:d :?: ? <----- im high i cant remember how to spell:roll: <---