Hyperslap Welcome to Hyperspace

[Tonytone]

I've had an oxide experience I believe. There was a heavy entity presence, but at a lower dose nothing was popping out at me. It was more of a very mild 3d magic eye poster. The slight variation in the beige painted wall became outlines and shapes that seemed to turn attention to me. I laid down on the floor and darker outlines on the inside of my eyelids were approaching around whilst twirling in a very mild fractal overlay. There was an ominous feeling about the short bit and it had a feeling of being on a table or being approached and observed perhaps? I cracked my eyes open and there was nothing going on. No movement to change the shadows in the room, nothing standing over me. I pondered this for a bit but as much of the detail left all that remained was just a creepy overtone and more questions. It was scary

I first dived in so hard because there wasn't enough to be experimenting I felt. That If I didn't giver sh*t I would not have the type of trip I've prepared for or had been expecting. Now that I've had one opportunity to try a variety of dose strengths I enjoy starting quite low and dipping in harder over a few hours in a night. I've heard you need to up the dose to prevent the body from breaking it down too quickly, but maybe I just like the mild cevs as opposed to the wild fabric ripping blast off I potentially scared myself away from for now.

Whether it's a 10mg or 60mg hit I find the major factors are mindset, and smoke/vape tek. I'm going to try an infusion next time so I'll be sure to post the results. Thanks for sharin!

 

[onani]

Since this hyperslap, I have been experimenting with low dosages too, roughly 15-20mg. Im practicing my vaping technique and its going well. I'm also getting used to hyperspace. I haven't broken through yet by choice. Easy does it lol. The experience above made me have a lot more respect for DMT. I'm tripping about 4-5 times per week though.

Good luck with the infusion!

 

[anrchy]

There is no such thing as an oxide experience. I have vaporized the DMT that had recrystallized on the inside of the gvg, DMT that had sat loaded in the gvg, ect ect. There was no difference.

Glad to hear you are workin on your technique onani. Once you have it down it won't be an issue getting it all in one hit for the larger ones like 25-30. No need to go higher unless you feel like you really need to.

 

[a1pha]

There is no such thing as an oxide experience.

No such thing as an oxide experience? You sure about that?

Many people report differences in DMT-oxide vs nn-DMT.

 

[anrchy]

I meant to say in my opinion.

People also say they can tell the difference between synthetic and extracted, yellow and white. I personally feel like it is the placebo effect. I could be wrong, although others that have tried all the multiple colors I've had noticed no differences.

 

[hostilis]

I've noticed differences with the white stuff and the waxy yellow stuff. Subtle, but noticeable.

 

[a1pha]

People also say they can tell the difference between synthetic and extracted, yellow and white.

[citation needed]

 

[anrchy]

I think this is hijacking the thread... but I was asked for citations and I felt obligated to do so. There are TONS more threads and posts that reflect both sides. Some people say they notice a difference, some say they dont.

People also say they can tell the difference between synthetic and extracted, yellow and white.

[citation needed]

Synthetic vs extracted

Notices a difference

good question..having tried both, to me,though very close, synthetic dmt is like virtual reality, plant extracts are more like 'reality'...also the synthetic seems to not do as much (additional alkaloids + 'spirit' in the plants?)...be great if someone had the resources to set up blind tests...

Synthetic nn-dmt - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

others noticing a difference

the few people i know who've done the synthetic vs plant blind test all found a difference (though that may be due to traces of other things in the extracts)...

Synthetic nn-dmt - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

notices no difference

I have smoked synthetic, pure DMT many times. It's no difference. Someone may insist that it is, having some personal conviction that a plant spirit or something makes extracted different from synthetic, but that is really nonsense. DMT is a molecule with a definite structure and definite properties that are independent of where it comes from.

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notices no difference

Although his memories are over 40 years old, my husband did synthetic DMT in the late 1960's. He claims the current, extracted version is identical in effects to synthetic. He says the appearance was different and no one was doing breakthrough doses back then, at least as far as he knew.

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White DMT vs Colored DMT

No difference

So far AFAIK there has been only one blind test (Ice House) and he found no difference. I would suspect most, if not all, would not be able to see any difference between different colors.

Each DMT trip is so amazingly strong and unique, even the same batch of dmt can give completely different trips in the same day and place. I find funny how people are so sure to affirm about the differences without ever even taking in account the possibility of self-suggestion.

White spice vs. orange/yellow spice - Hyperspace Lexicon - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Doesn't think there is a noticeable difference

as far as NN goes i completely agree with endless, each dmt exp is so radicaly different that i feel there is no way to conclude any differnces in effects between white and yellow unless you did maybe a hundred blind test of each type and filled out a set questioner log after each trip. then maybe after looking over the data could yoy see some patterns. but not from just a handful of journey's. no way Jose. :

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White spice vs. orange/yellow spice - Hyperspace Lexicon - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus - no difference

No difference

With some help from my wife I have done as many as a dozen blind tests with three variations of spice-

pure white crystaline
bright yellow crystaline
dark orangish waxy jungle

My dose of choice is 30mg

I can decern no difference in onset, intensity, quality, or longevity of experience.

I support and believe in something that endlessness has stated on many an ocassion-

The power of sugestion is huge when it comes to the DMT experience.

Sooooooo that being said, I have made up my mind that there is no difference.
I have halted the official blind testing.
I imagine at this point I am a tainted subject.

IH

Did tests where differences were noticed

SWIM has had very different results with his double blind testing than Ice House.

He has sampled 10 different people with:

A) White spice made with naptha
B) Yellow spice oxidized from white spice on purpose
C) Orange and Purplish stuff made from Limonene
D) Deep purple jim jam scraped up from goo left over after a re-x of Jungle Spice.

A few of them did actually see what they were smoking, but 10 out of 10 people could tell the jim jam from spice. This stuff might have DMT in it as burnt and others have shown, but it is of an immediately recognizable "other" characteristic. The other 3 spices were somewhat more difficult to distinguish. Though the darker the stuff, the more the quality of the experience seemed colored with the Jim Jam effect which is characterized by an entirely different style to the visuals.

Even the white (relatively pure nn dmt) vs. the yellow (n-oxide) was very noticeable to the more sensitive people. The most common report was that it was friendlier and somehow a bit slower to come on. This friendlier vibe has been reported frequently when comparing chacruna based aya to mimosa based aya... and it is well known that chacruna has significantly higher n-oxide levels.

I don't think that Ice House's tests or SWIM's prove anything conclusively, but I will put this to you all logically.

If Ice is right and there was no qualitative difference, than the so called full range spice would be some percentage of extra stuff which would have to be inactive or unnoticeable. Subtract this percentage from the amount consumed and what he is also saying is that there is no qualitative difference between smoking his full dose and smoking this reduced portion.

SWIM tells me that the amount of purple stuff left over after re-xing his darkest material (made with a lot of heat) was fairly substantial. Over 10% of the volume. So that would mean that in this case, Ice would be saying that not only is this purple leftover inactive, but that smoalking 25mg is the same as smoalking 30mg. This is not SWIMs experience.

Perhaps the suggestibility runs both ways. Maybe people who want to believe that the materials are identical will create identical experiences? Who knows. The one certainty for SWIM is that that purple goo was certainly psychoactive and did not resemble any other spice experience as much as it did other psychedelic chemicals he has played with... though it was not extremely strong by weight. He even made some changa with the goo and found that it was not substantially improved.

 

[a1pha]

Awesome! Thanks, anrchy.

There are some quotes here I find interesting and wasn't aware of. I will address the synthetic vs extracted DMT in another thread but this I'm sure is enlightening to others as well as myself.

 

[anrchy]

:thumb_up: cool I am glad this was helpful.

I think this is a topic that needs more info, research, ect.