I believe freebase dmt can hurt you

[finding0]

I am not responding in this thread any longer. I felt that it is an important point to raise. I am not trying to argue with anyone. I love dmt just as much as all of you. It has profoundly shaped my life. It just needed to be pointed out that there are potential dangers.Just because YOU know there are doesn't mean everybody does. I was one of those people who didn't know because I read a lot of people saying it is completely safe. Now I suffer everyday of my life for it. you can call me stupid or what ever you please. it does not matter. I just don't want anybody else hurt.

 

[easyrider]

Have you consulted a physician about this condition, finding0, or are you assuming it originated from your excessive freebase usage? Not doubting your story, I would just like to know whether your case can be absolutely attributed to your vaporization of freebase DMT.

 

[Simon Jester]

I just believe if your temperature isn't stable and "cool enough" it will in one way or another get harsh on you, which can be felt in the lungs or the throat. This happens even with the gvg when one applies too much heat.

I wonder, does torch lighter give off butane exhaust when taking long big hits with the GVG? Or is it problem or "normal" lighters?

I'm not usually bothered by heat. I'm a pack-a-day smoker and even my ganja pipe hits hot and hard... But unless I use a hempwick that lighter exhaust gets to me.

The GVG would let exhaust pass through, yes... though torch lighters do burn much cleaner. Because of the way one hits a gvg, it wouldn't be as bad as a machine-style pipe in any case.

 

[finding0]

Have you consulted a physician about this condition, finding0, or are you assuming it originated from your excessive freebase usage? Not doubting your story, I would just like to know whether your case can be absolutely attributed to your vaporization of freebase DMT.

I have been having concerning symptoms for a long time now. I keep going to different doctors but they keep blowing me off. I once overdosed on mushrooms and was taken to the hospital in a temporary state of insanity. I come to them telling about all the changes ive seen in my body and all the chronic pain I feel. Since I have the mushroom event on my medical records they look at me as a druggy.They think I am lying to get prescribed pain killers. I have had them tell me that to my face. Since doctors won't help me, night and day for countless hours over a year now I have been doing my own extensive medical research. Ive been forced to take diagnosis in my own hands. I am so sure that it is drug induced pulmonary hypertension. I am going to go to a cardiologist soon and demand a cat scan. One thing they did diagnose me with is sinus arrhythmia. which I had already diagnosed my self with. The sinus arrhythmia did not begin until I started having problems.They said "oh, sinus arrhythmia is a common condition" Yea it doesn't just appear out of no were with out and underlying health condition! Sinus arrhythmia can come from pulmonary hypertension. I know what is sounds like with me not being a medical professional. But my research is extensive. When I was age 12 I started getting simple partial seizures. I diagnosed my self with left temporal lobes simple partial epilepsy years before the leading neurologist at c.h.o.p.They were not able to diagnose me until I was 19! I did it on my own with extensive research because I wanted to know what was wrong with me. I baffled my neurologist with having further understanding of this area then him.I do not have a diagnosis from a cardiologist yet. But with my correlating symptoms and previous freebasing abuse I am quite confident I have bulls-eyed it.

 

[tele]

If you smoke pack a day, ganja and probably use excessive heat on your dmt(and that was 6 times a day in the past?), don't you feel like it's possible that all the smoke together could be the cause, not dmt alone?
Just speculation that dmt alone can cause lung damage that leads to hypertension is simply too steep, and you even compared it to cocaine due to the PH.
I'd say anyone taking so much smoke/vapor inside oneself will get obviously some damage.

 

[Al Dimentiz]

First at all... I hope you get better soon.

DMT is the most self-regulated substance there is period. If you are abusing "D" "D" will make you quit or take a Long brake from it by any means necessary. Trust me I know that by first hand.

Finally I got to said that while we don't know how safe D is. D is my anti-drug and it help me kick out some really bad drug addictions that I had with more dangerous substances, so I'm very grateful that D found me.

Maybe, and just maybe it is time for you to live a Drug Free life and enjoy every minute of it. :d

 

[finding0]

If you smoke pack a day, ganja and probably use excessive heat on your dmt(and that was 6 times a day in the past?), don't you feel like it's possible that all the smoke together could be the cause, not dmt alone?
Just speculation that dmt alone can cause lung damage that leads to hypertension is simply too steep, and you even compared it to cocaine due to the PH.
I'd say anyone taking so much smoke/vapor inside oneself will get obviously some damage.

smoke a pack a day, ganja over heating dmt? Were are you getting this from. I never in my life smoked a cig, I didnt start ganja till less then a year ago and I don't any more and in that duration it was strictly vaporised. And I was smoking my dmt quite fine with a vg. It was burnt 3 times in a light bulb when first started.

 

[tele]

smoke a pack a day, ganja over heating dmt? Were are you getting this from. I never in my life smoked a cig, I didnt start ganja till less then a year ago and I don't any more and in that duration it was strictly vaporised. And I was smoking my dmt quite fine with a vg. It was burnt 3 times in a light bulb when first started.

Sorry I confused simon jester's post with yours:

I'm not usually bothered by heat. I'm a pack-a-day smoker and even my ganja pipe hits hot and hard... But unless I use a hempwick that lighter exhaust gets to me.

But I would like to ask, was your DMT yellow or white?

I am suspecting that 6 times a day, daily would cause most people some side effects. But claiming about lung based hypertension is too steep, without any evidence. Speculation is speculation.

 

[finding0]

it was not pure white. It was yellowish

 

[tele]

it was not pure white. It was yellowish

I'm don't know if that was the problem, but when I compare yellow and white spice, the white is definately smoother and easier on the lungs. Probably due to plant oils, the yellow color that is...
However, just 6 times daily is too much, I agree. 1-3 sessions a week is the maximum I would do.

 

[Dr Psychonaut]

I am not responding in this thread any longer. I felt that it is an important point to raise. I am not trying to argue with anyone. I love dmt just as much as all of you. It has profoundly shaped my life. It just needed to be pointed out that there are potential dangers.Just because YOU know there are doesn't mean everybody does. I was one of those people who didn't know because I read a lot of people saying it is completely safe. Now I suffer everyday of my life for it. you can call me stupid or what ever you please. it does not matter. I just don't want anybody else hurt.

I very much appreciate your thread here as people should be aware that DMT isn't necessarily as harmless physically as some would naively like to believe. I have also found at times people to be a bit judgemental with issues like this and think their should be guidelines on the nexus (there might be I'm not sure) to say that responses shouldn't be judgemental or insulting as we should be here to help one another in whatever way we can. I hope this doesn't put you off giving or asking for advice in the future. Be well finding0

 

[endlessness]

Sure there is, our whole forum is based on the Attitude page: Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Im still wondering what dangers you guys are saying a properly vaporized (not smoked!) DMT has for the body in any reasonable dose ? Are we talking in general here, or is there some specific concern?

We know at least that regular usage for decades of oral dmt + harmalas has no long term damage (in a supportive setting)

By the way to the OP, did you even read the article you linked or are you just reading titles? There is a list of drugs in the article that can cause pulmonary vascular disease, and there are no tryptamines or phenetylamine-type alkaloids in that list. Plus they are not talking about damaged caused by smoking drugs, but parenteral use (IV for example)

Also another thing, finding0, did you consider potential impurities in your DMT from extraction chemicals? How did you extract it and with what solvent? Did you do an evap test in your solvent and check MSDS? What about possible solvent traces trapped inside the crystals, did you as a routine clean up step redissolve your crystals in ethanol or acetone and re-evap them to remove other solvent traces?

 

[tele]

I very much appreciate your thread here as people should be aware that DMT isn't necessarily as harmless physically as some would naively like to believe.

For example me, I don't believe anything, but base my opinion in my and others experiences. With reasonable use(1-3 sessions with 1-5 hits per week maximum) and good vaporization pipe, I haven't heard anyone complaining of their health and especially speculating it could cause lung based hypertension(Very steep IMO).

If one smokes 6 times a day and ESPECIALLY if the DMT hasn't been redissolved in acetone(As stated above) to evaporate possible trapped naphtha, I wouldn't be surprised if the problems such as sore throat would have been caused by the solvent itself.

And I'd also like to ask, what kind of screen/base do you use in your pipe OP? And when you inhale your vapor in usual manner, does it feel unpleasant or harsh for your throat or lungs? If yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there are problems.

 

[polytrip]

Oral DMT is less problematic than vaped DMT, because of the use of all these solvents. I don't know if vaporised free-base DMT could eventually hurt you if you use it frequently for years on, but i think pharma/aya-huasca is absolutely harmless if you don't use it excessively, don't combine it with pharmaceuticals or other drugs and if you don't have a serious hart condition or serious psychiatric issues.

I don't know what the effects of an inhaled free-base substance is on the lungs if you inhale these relatively small amounts for years on. Lung tissue is sensitive stuff. You may have a point there.

 

[tele]

Oral DMT is less problematic than vaped DMT, because of the use of all these solvents. I don't know if vaporised free-base DMT could eventually hurt you if you use it frequently for years on, but i think pharma/aya-huasca is absolutely harmless if you don't use it excessively, don't combine it with pharmaceuticals or other drugs and if you don't have a serious hart condition or serious psychiatric issues.

I don't know what the effects of an inhaled free-base substance is on the lungs if you inhale these relatively small amounts for years on. Lung tissue is sensitive stuff. You may have a point there.

Therefore I don't touch spice which hasn't been redissolved in acetone.

 

[corpus callosum]

Interesting thread!

Freebase cocaine does cause pulmonary hypertension but that is largely due to its profound vasoconstricting effect including on the pulmonary vasculature.

There are many many causes of pulmonary hypertension and a proper skilled clinical examination should pick up the relevant physical signs.A full evaluation would include a full history first, careful physical exam (for the signs WILL be there) and initially a c-xray and 12 lead ECG.Depending on what the history reveals, further tests as appropriate.

I would strongly advise against self-diagnosis here; the right thing to do would be to be completely upfront about your lifestyle, habits etc and see a relevant specialist (Chest physicians ,IME, are better than cardiologists for diagnosing this condition, unless you have clear haert signs on physical exam).

And sinus arrythmia is not a pathological finding;it simply reflects a working autonomic innervation of the heart.

 

[bill]

I am not responding in this thread any longer. I felt that it is an important point to raise. I am not trying to argue with anyone. I love dmt just as much as all of you. It has profoundly shaped my life. It just needed to be pointed out that there are potential dangers.Just because YOU know there are doesn't mean everybody does. I was one of those people who didn't know because I read a lot of people saying it is completely safe. Now I suffer everyday of my life for it. you can call me stupid or what ever you please. it does not matter. I just don't want anybody else hurt.

No one thinks your stupid, friend. I think most people are just trying to find other possible sources (and I respect your wanting to protect other people). I don't have very much to add on top of that, but a lot of the members are correct. If it's really effecting your life go see a doctor. It may be a little embarrassing, but doctor patient confidentiality goes a long way. Sometimes you just have to swallow your pride for the sake of your health.
Good vibes to you and your body.

 

[finding0]

Interesting thread!

Freebase cocaine does cause pulmonary hypertension but that is largely due to its profound vasoconstricting effect including on the pulmonary vasculature.

There are many many causes of pulmonary hypertension and a proper skilled clinical examination should pick up the relevant physical signs.A full evaluation would include a full history first, careful physical exam (for the signs WILL be there) and initially a c-xray and 12 lead ECG.Depending on what the history reveals, further tests as appropriate.

I would strongly advise against self-diagnosis here; the right thing to do would be to be completely upfront about your lifestyle, habits etc and see a relevant specialist (Chest physicians ,IME, are better than cardiologists for diagnosing this condition, unless you have clear haert signs on physical exam).

And sinus arrythmia is not a pathological finding;it simply reflects a working autonomic innervation of the heart.

that does seem to be a flaw in my research. I don't know were I got that from. i am sure i read it some were that pulmonary hypertension and sinus arrhythmia can coincide. But every thing is pointing to it being electrical impulse related. It is curious though that it manifested at the same time when I began having issues. Does one need a referral to see a chest physician? I can't stand my family doctor. I once had a seizure aura while talking to him in his exam room about the issues I have been having and he didn't believe me and a couple minutes later I was taken out into an ambulance having multiple grand mall seizures. I didn't get the blood work I desired for a while at the normal doctor until I was in the hospital. My family doctor has done nothing for me but scoff at me and think I am lying trying to get oxy cotton. But he is the only one in my area that my insurance covers.

 

[corpus callosum]

I doubt your family doctor would be skilled enough to diagnose pulmonary hypertension even if it were patently present.Most family doctors ,IMO, can just about diagnose a cold or a simple chest infection, love to diagnose depression but when it comes to thinking through a problem and then assessing the patient fully with a correct analysis of the signs present (and believe me, the signs almost invariably do exist), they are pretty clueless.

You mention veins coming up in your throat-can you elaborate on this? Is this over the neck or in the mouth ie the 'proper' throat?

 

[finding0]

I doubt your family doctor would be skilled enough to diagnose pulmonary hypertension even if it were patently present.Most family doctors ,IMO, can just about diagnose a cold or a simple chest infection, love to diagnose depression but when it comes to thinking through a problem and then assessing the patient fully with a correct analysis of the signs present (and believe me, the signs almost invariably do exist), they are pretty clueless.

You mention veins coming up in your throat-can you elaborate on this? Is this over the neck or in the mouth ie the 'proper' throat?

There are bulging veins in the back of my throat. it looks like I have a very bad sore throat. Has been like that for 2 years now. there is no pain though.