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Ok, I'm really frustrated...

SWIM did all of this, but I will refer to the story in the first person cause I don't feel like putting SWIM in every sentence.

I did 2 extractions... with no success...

I did a 200mg MHRB extraction with the basic DMT Handbook. I did everything by the book except that I had only 200mg so I scaled it down. I also didn't cook it after removing the MHRB to make it more concentrated. But strangely when I moved to freeze percipitate then nothing came out. I may have added a bit too much naptha so I evapd the whole thing. But there wasn't anything there but runoff...

So I did another with lazyman tek since I did that before and it worked. I added a bit too much lye but I figured as long as I freezed it then I'd get DMT. Unfortunately then there was only about 2% DMT. When I tried to smoke it then I'd only get a slight buzz unless smoking it in unsafe quantities which made me sick. And so I believed that I was getting all kinds of non-active materials that were getting in the way.

So I started to experiment. I added Muriatic acid to the new batch. I wasn't able to measure the Ph content so I decided to eyeball it. Now I've completed my latest extraction and the batch... rendered crystals... which were not active at all. Plus side is they don't make me sick.

I'm freaking tearing my hair out!!! Somebody please tell me what I can do cause I've been at it for near 3 weeks now with no breakthroughs of any kind.
 
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a) are you sure about the bark?
b) are you sure about the naphtha? If it's not pure naphtha then freeze percip might not work.
c) what does 2% DMT mean? you yielded 2% crystals, weight wise? meaning 2% of the original weight? in that case that would be pretty good.
d) maybe your smoking tek sucks and you're burning your spice. I can imagine that making me sick. burnt spice is really disgusting! get a proper pipe if you don't have one already.

do your crystals melt at all - like if you but a lighter to a small spek? if they don't then don't smoke them. have you tried tasting a tiny amount of crystals? it should taste really bitter. normally there's not much you can do wrong with lazyman's unless your chems aren't what they say they are or what you think they are. Do you do any carbonate washes or anything like that, other than pulling and stickin in the freezer? Could be that you are losing your spice somewhere in purification procedures.

e) breakthroughs are overrated
 
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This part is confusing

myrmymd said:
I did a 200mg MHRB extraction with the basic DMT Handbook. I did everything by the book except that I had only 200mg so I scaled it down. I also didn't cook it after removing the MHRB to make it more concentrated. But strangely when I moved to freeze percipitate then nothing came out. I may have added a bit too much naptha so I evapd the whole thing. But there wasn't anything there but runoff...
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200mg of bark will yield 2mg spice, typo maybe?

and what is runoff?
 
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to enoon:
a)It was from jim jam shop :)
b) I'm sure. I bought the pure naptha that's used as paint thinners. Also the one I used I used successfully with my first interaction.
c)2% means that after freeze percipitation then out of all the crystals I'd have to smoke about 200mg to get the same high as 4mg of normal extraction.
d)yeah smoking it with a proper pipe even was weird. Instead of blast off it was like pre-launch. I would have to inhale at least 4 or 5 times before I got any kind of reaction and by then I was getting worried that I was smoking something that would probably be bad for me later.
And yes they are bitter and also turn to liquid when burned. Exactly why I feel so confused...

to gammagore:
by runoff I meant that brown icky stuff that doesn't dry with no crystals present at all. and I'm sorry that was so confusing let me rephrase. I used a toned down version of the DMT handbook catered to 200mg of MHRB instead of 1 Kg. I got no spice out of that extraction...

To Chronic:
Haha, thanks chronic! I guess I'll just have to chalk this up to experience and hope for better next time. But if only I knew what was wrong with my extraction!
 
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How long did you mix the naptha/lye/water mix for on each pull? In SWIM's experience that is the most important and time/labor intensive part of the lazyman's tech. SWIM likes to do that tech in a jug so it is easier to mix, he likes to shake the mix in the jug for 20-30 minutes per pull. You said your stuff isn't very potent, you should probably do some of the steps to purify it, a recrystalization or two normally gets quite a lot of the DMT out of even that brown sludge that forms at the bottom on some of the pulls for lazyman's tech.
 
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recrystallize the brown stuff.

and again you said "200mg", I guess you mean "200g". So how much in weight was your final yield from those 200g bark?

Maybe also your smoking method is problematic. Maybe get a VG or infuse some herbs with it and smoke in a bong?

how long are you holding the smoke in the lungs?
 
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@ auto:

I mixed for 45 minutes each time, but then since I was lazy and the pulls were getting little results then I was letting the naptha sit overnight, same results.

@endlessness

Oops, yea I meant 200g. The results were very little and I'm using a fixed up pipe for freebase so no problems there. And I'm holding the smoke for at least a minute at a time. But thanks for the idea, I'll try re-crystallizing things and see if I can get purer products out of it.
 
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how much is little, can you give us a number?

did you freeze or evap? How big were your pulls, how many pulls, and if you did freeze-precip, did you pre-evap before?


I definitely think your smoking method is at least part of the problem, I would strongly suggest get a vaporgenie and a torchlighter, you'll be thankful for it!
 
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...now I feel like a dumbass...

It's all good. Apparently SWIM's extractions were strange but still provided semi-pure DMT, they just needed to sit for a day to properly solidify.

I wish there was a way to convey how embarassed I feel right now. I'm gonna crawl in a corner and lay eggs till I feel human again :)
 
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This is why I recommend everyone do small extractions for the first few times to be sure you have the technique down. I know it can be a pita and you want to have a good result by the time you are done but chances are for most people your going to blow your first extraction or two just getting the hang of it. No reason to feel the fool my first few extractions didnt come out too well either bout killed myself trying to smoke the result of my first extraction god it was harsh. There's a learning curve here guys it takes time and nothing is without the possibility of mistakes especially if you dont know much about chemistry.
 
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gammagore said:
This part is confusing

myrmymd said:
I did a 200mg MHRB extraction with the basic DMT Handbook. I did everything by the book except that I had only 200mg so I scaled it down. I also didn't cook it after removing the MHRB to make it more concentrated. But strangely when I moved to freeze percipitate then nothing came out. I may have added a bit too much naptha so I evapd the whole thing. But there wasn't anything there but runoff...
Click to expand...

200mg of bark will yield 2mg spice, typo maybe?

and what is runoff?
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I assumed this person meant 200g. Like myrmymd said 2% by total weight is a pretty good yield . 200g MHRB = 2g = very happy SWIMMER ;).

As Vovin said do smaller extractions until you get the hang of what ever tek you are using. SWIM is still experimenting with other teks and mixing teks to better yields and product and when doing so SWIM uses 100g MHRB.
 
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On a said note in regards to myrmymd comment. SWIM once did a sodium bicarbanate wash instead of a sodium carbonate wash by mistake once and she ended up with a product taht did not melt when smoke. Instead it turned to like ash? It was kinda weird but the effects were very much enjoyable.

I am simply sharing an event not saying any one is right or wrong. SWIM said it felt like DMT and it was very strong, not harsh at all. This really has nothing to do with the original post, your comment simply reminded me of something SWIM told me happened to her
 
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