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I have a question about unusually large doses of DMT.

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DeMenTed said:
I can understand what you are saying and what realms you want to go to. Some people will call it insane and others will call it travelling beyond the boundaries, whatever way you want to call it just dont ever get cocky with dmt.

I had a friend years ago who used to swallow 10-15 strong acid blotters when i was tripping out my nut on one, i could never understand how he could do it but of course now i do.

Just be prepared for some harsh lessons to be taught along the way. Peace.
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I've been talking with my roommates, all more experienced then me with all forms of drugs not just psychs, and they are saying the same thing. I appreciate the warnings and thoughts of protection. I will safeguard all my experiments though, I assure you(and them) of that.

And to rephrase my goal:

I am looking for a ritual/process that will consistently produce a +4 psychedelic enlightenment experience, in order to be able to share it with those who are ready and share the gift of it with them.
 
thatmentat said:
And to rephrase my goal:

I am looking for a ritual/process that will consistently produce a +4 psychedelic enlightenment experience, in order to be able to share it with those who are ready and share the gift of it with them.
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Sorry, but that's just not possible.

If you manage to prove me wrong, please share the secret!
 
When I read that ++++ rating on Shulgin's scale, even though I've read the scale before, it struck a different chord with me this time. I'm in quite the same dilemma as you to an extent. I had a full fledged white light experience that qualified in every way with that definition of a ++++ rating. I hope to get back there or even close to there again one day, and if I could share that kind of pure ecstatic rapture with another human, that would be the ultimate gift I could ever bestow upon somebody, but alas who know what needs to be in the cards for that to happen.
 
Global said:
When I read that ++++ rating on Shulgin's scale, even though I've read the scale before, it struck a different chord with me this time. I'm in quite the same dilemma as you to an extent. I had a full fledged white light experience that qualified in every way with that definition of a ++++ rating. I hope to get back there or even close to there again one day, and if I could share that kind of pure ecstatic rapture with another human, that would be the ultimate gift I could ever bestow upon somebody, but alas who know what needs to be in the cards for that to happen.
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I truly feel like I am getting there. It isn't something that can be created with just the right chemical concoction. As we all know(at least to begin with) setting is intensely important for trips. This is also true for the inner setting as well. How could one hold on to the Clear Light, if you didn't know what it was or what to do?

What I think is needed is a sort of Shamanic ritual with preparation before hand, which incorporates a symbiotic harmony between science, the concepts of the Bardo Thodol and tibetan/zen buddhism, training of innerself control, and various other aspects that would allow a repeatable path to the experience to be established. Whatever it is would need to incorporate far more than simply understanding drug experiences. It would need to become a ritual.
 
As I understand it, there are only a certain amount of receptors for for psychedelics. After a certain point, taking more will probably not have a stronger psychedelic effect, but will start to impact you more physically.... potentially dangerously. Serotonin syndrome, for example, is a potentially deadly condition that could theoretically occur with harmalas + dmt. Large doses also seem to have unusual effects on breathing. There can also be severe tremors and muscle tightening which are quite scary and disturbing. I think 1g of dmt is definitely way more than necessary to max out what dmt can do.

400mg is the upper range of where most overdosers go.... and even that range I think is waaaaaaay overkill for anyone with a normal metabolism. Some people here claim they need 200mg or they won't have a strong experience. But if you're like most, where 70mg is strong, then you don't need 400mg. 200mg should kick your ass harder than you want it kicked. At a certain point, dmt becomes not only psychologically overpowering, but also physically overpowering. I recall in my overly large dose experience, I thought to myself, "damn.... I would be ok if it weren't for this excruciating body load". It was a feeling of total loss of equilibreum and balance, and a feeling of absolute sickness, or on the verge of unconsciousness.
 
fractal enchantment said:
why dont you just up the dose of harmalas? harmalas produce by themselves full on OBE's at a certain dose..upping the dose of harmalas will take you deeper.
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yeah, dmt isn't all in a pharma/aya experience, smae dose of dmt, like clean fumarates at 100-150mg range with more harmalas like 300mg range should get you deeper than say 200mg dmt with minimal harmalas for inhibition.
Try upper the harmalas. and get a decent but not stupidly high dose of dmt, as it doesn't make sense. I feel your dosage feel off balance. 200mg harmalas and 600mg dmt feels like a waste of dmt. also what harmalas do you have ?
300mg rue harmalas (with loads of harmaline) is way stronger than 300mg caapi harmala (with no or not much harmaline).
 
rOm said:
fractal enchantment said:
why dont you just up the dose of harmalas? harmalas produce by themselves full on OBE's at a certain dose..upping the dose of harmalas will take you deeper.
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yeah, dmt isn't all in a pharma/aya experience, smae dose of dmt, like clean fumarates at 100-150mg range with more harmalas like 300mg range should get you deeper than say 200mg dmt with minimal harmalas for inhibition.
Try upper the harmalas. and get a decent but not stupidly high dose of dmt, as it doesn't make sense. I feel your dosage feel off balance. 200mg harmalas and 600mg dmt feels like a waste of dmt. also what harmalas do you have ?
300mg rue harmalas (with loads of harmaline) is way stronger than 300mg caapi harmala (with no or not much harmaline).
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I would be using Syrian Rue. Now that various members have cleared things up for me I am planning on taking a trip, relatively soon, that will be aiming for about 350mg of rue harmalas and 300mg of DMT. Though that is still a rough estimate now and before I journey again I will research more and narrow down the numbers to a dose that will take me where I want to go.
 
what was the dose that caused the "fantastically intense" experience in the OP? My advice: If you want an even more intense experience step up slowly from there. 300 mgs dmt would be very very unpleasant for many people. Then again, some people like dosing 10 g mhrb...
 
ouro said:
what was the dose that caused the "fantastically intense" experience in the OP? My advice: If you want an even more intense experience step up slowly from there. 300 mgs dmt would be very very unpleasant for many people. Then again, some people like dosing 10 g mhrb...
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I made another brew that was moderately stronger than before. I consumed approx 8.5g of MHRB and 3.3g of Syrian Rue. It was exactly what I needed and all the things I was looking for were made understood to me that I had them all along. I smoked various 5-10mg DMT blasts across the night afterwards to stay awake and explore contemplation of the future. While writing this I am approaching 24hours of consciousness, after only 9hours of sleep in the last 3 days. Besides concreting my enlightenment, I also gained the knowledge of how to make all my dreams come true.

As far as the first fantastically intense trip, I ingested a successful mimosahuasca brew. I had the mimosahuasca slowly take me into space, and then I opened a wormhole by smoking about 50-60mg of DMT, and then proceeded to five into a fractilian sound energy existence.

I also have an exact, straightforward, and simple method of producing an ideal mimosahuasca brew. I think I even know how to administer it without causing regurgitation. It's exactly the tool I needed for progressing as a psychedelic shaman. That and enlightenment lol.
 
i swear after a while once you've taken it so far dosage wont be what impacts the experience into its further stages but rather where you are willing to take it and how willing you will be to do so. 40mg can take me out of this universe and i feel like its my attitude to the experience that lets me go deeper once i've broken through
 
While there has been no report of an DMT Od or death. There have been reported deaths (only a few) from aya. This is because DMT is safe. MAOI are not. Your body is meant to produce them, and when when you halt that production you are doing harm to your body. If you insist on doing a large amount. Then do it with only freebase DMT, and no MAOI. Even then you are still running the risk of psychological damage.
 
They are good for Dreaming yes, but you can search numerous health websites, or ask any doctor, and they will all tell you they do have dangers involved with them. Now when taken with care and at recommended doses it has a lot less risk, but if one was to go "balls to the wall" as he is describing. There is risk. Most frequently making normally safe foods poisonous because of them in your system, and many aya sites recommend fasting before consuming any MAOI for these reasons. In fact the first aya death report I came across a while back lists the cause of the death as the MAOI specifically. If I can find the site I will post the link.
 
"However, because ayahuasca contains a monoamine oxidaze inhibitor, which deactivates a key enzyme responsible for breaking down chemicals that could otherwise be toxic, it is possible to have severe negative reactions to ayahuasca, particularly if it is combined with proscribed foods and/or drugs. Those who chose to consume ayahuasca should educate themselves about compounds that are contraindicated when taking MAOI drugs before attempting any use." - Erowid Ayahuasca Vault: Basics .... not the one I had mentioned but one that states my point just as well.
 
"Because of potentially lethal dietary and drug interactions, monoamine oxidase inhibitors have historically been reserved as a last line of treatment" - from Nexus FAQ
 
This doesn't mean they are bad for you.

Harmalas are anti inflammatory, anti parasitic, anti tumor, vasodilating, clarity inducing substances that have numerous positive medicinal and entheogenic value regardless of it's interaction with certain substances. I mean your quote says people should educate themselves, right?

And also, you don't need to post 3 times in a row. That's what the edit button is for.
 
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