I know you feel strange..Take the second hit!

[starway6]

I vaped some acacia this afternoon and was it powerfull!

This is only the second time ive experianced a near hyperspace experiance..

Once a couple months back on [mimosa DMT] i came close to breaking through but was surprised at the sudden intensity of the mimosa and back off..

Ive always believed acacia is a bit gentler on the come up.. than mimosa spice..

BUT..I think this is only on the come up..?

once acaci gets a hold of someone they know it!!

I found out this afternoon when i vaped what I thought was a tiny amount of freshly extracted full spectrum goo..

I guess there was some dmt left [of the 35mgs I put in the bowl a couple days back]..and it vaped so thick and i was quickly merging into hyperspace if i only would have taken that second hit!!

I felt that air being pumped out the the room feeling.. and fractals started moving and it felt like a sudden pressure in my head and layed down mentaly handeling the experiance better than the first time..

I believe if i had taken the second thick hit still in my bong I would have passed out or entered hyperspace?

The way i was feeling made me hesitate and not take the second hit..
I wish i had taken it now!

Just a question for more experianced spice pilots!

Is this ..[near passing out feeling]..[a pressure in head] normal for entering hyperspace
leaving me with a slight head ache normal?

Posibly being close to a breakthrough??
Any opinions welcome..

 

[HumbleTraveler]

I cant really comment in comparison to mhrb product because Ive never used anything but acrb, but I often find myself with a slight, yet annoying head ache after. Finishing a second hit likely would have sent you over the edge for sure.

It can be very unsettling though, just the lack of air feeling alone is uncomfortable and can definitely make you freak a bit. Your body says go into panic mode, youre about to die you dope! It's just because it's a foreign feeling. Im still trying to drill that into my own head haha.

 

[starway6]

I cant really comment in comparison to mhrb product because Ive never used anything but acrb, but I often find myself with a slight, yet annoying head ache after. Finishing a second hit likely would have sent you over the edge for sure.

It can be very unsettling though, just the lack of air feeling alone is uncomfortable and can definitely make you freak a bit. Your body says go into panic mode, youre about to die you dope! It's just because it's a foreign feeling. Im still trying to drill that into my own head haha.

I did some mimosa ..[that i had left].. a few months ago..[after wasting about 99 percent of it] over the weeks from using too small sized doses.. and wrong smoking methods.. by just burning it:

The one time it workred i had just a very small amount of mimosa oil left from the dish

I scraped up.. and not shure why../? but it hit me like a ton of bricks ..[felt very much like this acacia experiance]..[probibly because i finally vaped it right ...probibly by acedent..

I wasted my mimosa over the months by using things like ..[light bulbs] and little pot pipes that just burnt it...

Finally ive learnt how to vape it right and the effects are awesome!

Strangly .[although acacia [at first] seems more gentle on comeup]..it apears that this acacia can be just as intense as mimosa being vaped right!

Ive been taking a lot more pulls from my acacia extraction that is nessasery with mimosa..

Im still on my 7th or 8th napatha pull!.. getting about 200 mgs per pull of very strong smelling spice..with that unmistakable great DMT smell!

Its posible my latest pulls have a more pure dmt content and im really surprised at how gradual acacia releases its DMT..and how much it contains!
Next time i vape acacia..im going to be more carefull of my dosage...acacia can surprise a person by being soo gentle on lower doses..and then when it gets hold of a person its very strong!
After this experiance a little shocked by its power..I still jumped on my mountain bike and rode about five miles up and down hills..
I know a person needs to stay in shape when using spice!

 

[Entheogenerator]

I found out this afternoon when i vaped what I thought was a tiny amount of freshly extracted full spectrum goo..

This is why I always advocate that people get an accurate digital scale that is capable of weighing milligrams.

I'm a little confused as to why you put 35mg in the pipe and smoked it little by little... Would you mind explaining your reasoning for this? This is certainly not the route I would choose, but obviously it is your choice to make and not mine.

Personally, I have enough experience with spice extracted from both ACRB and MHRB to be confident in saying that I have not noticed a difference in the subjective effects of the two. Other members have reported an observable difference in effects, but I (being a primarily science-minded person when it comes to things of this sort) believe that it is likely that the power of suggestion is responsible for this perceived difference. Then again, I should acknowledge that there is also a chance that the power of suggestion is responsible for the fact that I do not perceive any difference in effects. Dang subjectivity making things complicated... :lol:

Now full-spectrum is a little bit of a different story, as the presence of other alkaloids may produce some added effects. But I am still of the belief that DMT is DMT, regardless of the plant source.

Aside from the perceived gentleness of acacia, what other differences in effects have you noticed between the two?

 

[starway6]

This is why I always advocate that people get an accurate digital scale that is capable of weighing milligrams.


I do have a mg scale..I did weigh out 35 mgs and vaped most but not all of it the other day...Some spice was still left in pipe i think...
Thats why it almost knocked my head off this afternoon ..as I added a tiny amount of fresh dmt oil left over in evaporation dish ..enough to cover the blade edge of razor blade to the choreboy ..

One part vaped first.. and the rest exploded in a thick vapor that was heavy!
It just taught me a lesson about measuring doses and the posibility that some spice ..
[from last session..]may be still in the chore boy...


I'm a little confused as to why you put 35mg in the pipe and smoked it little by little... Would you mind explaining your reasoning for this? This is certainly not the route I would choose, but obviously it is your choice to make and not mine.

My intention was to get it all to vape out and take it at once.. knowing about the 30 second to a minute rule.. ..but it didnt all vape out in the bong at the same time..

Im using a home made ..[Key v2 vaporizing water pipe]... and it sometimes doesnt vape all the spice on first try leaving some spice still in bowl..

Aside from the perceived gentleness of acacia, what other differences in effects have you noticed between the two?[/quote]

Its true I find Acacia seems very smooth and gentle in lower doses.. but in higher amounts it felt exactly like the mimosa i did a few months back very strong violent come up.! im finding acacia can also be a wolf in lambs clothing!

Yes I agree 100 percent in all of your sugestions..live and learn...

 

[○]

"Anything" is normal before entering the other side.

Seriously though, the experience is soo variable and the comeup can vary in every single experience, let alone the difference in set, setting, individual, etc.

The pressure you describe, typically comes on hard and fast for me. After hundreds of smoked experiences, I can say that that 'pressure' isn't going anywhere and is part n' parcel of the initial stages of the experience, especially prior to 'breakthrough'.

I can't even count the amount of times where the experience just kept accelerating and building, accelerating and building, on and on, not stopping. I kept thinking "if this becomes any more intense, im just going to explode or burst at the seams!"

You just gotta go for it. Trust in what's transpiring.

Trust in the experience. REAL genuine trust in the ineffable.

Just give in..

tat

 

[Entheogenerator]

Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood.

That's interesting, what you said about acacia being more gentle in low doses but practically indistinguishable in high doses. Maybe I'll to do some more experimenting with the two side-by-side, while also comparing low v. high doses. I've been slowly trying to prganize a small blind study, to determine if people notice any difference between DMT batches from different plant sources. It won't be a very big sample group, so it won't serve as proof either way by any means. But I think it would be interesting to see the results.

 

[starway6]

Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood.

That's interesting, what you said about acacia being more gentle in low doses but practically indistinguishable in high doses. Maybe I'll to do some more experimenting with the two side-by-side, while also comparing low v. high doses. I've been slowly trying to prganize a small blind study, to determine if people notice any difference between DMT batches from different plant sources. It won't be a very big sample group, so it won't serve as proof either way by any means. But I think it would be interesting to see the results.

For me..Acacia does seem very smooth on the come up on lower doses just like being in the loving arms of mother earth..[with right music]

But ..I have to say that the acrb spice im testing now.. is freshly extracted ..
[I think still full spectrum]?..

And ive noticed something ive never known about ACRB..[using 220grams of finely powdered bark [thick lights teck] .[minus freeze and thaw step]

I am on napatha pull..7 or 8 and still getting more! a little at a time!

I have always believed that 3 to 4 napatha pulls and bark is spent.. because of what ive read about extracting mimosa hostillis...

But acrb seems to hold on to its dmt longer!.. and i keep getting more ..about 150 to 200 mgs each pull now..[visualy enough to thickly cover the edge of a razorblade] looks like it might fill a 200mg capsule...

Im also evaporating the napatha at a ..[fairly low temp outdoors].with fan. [between 40 and 50 degrees..[in mornings and early eves]... and im getting a very thin coating of fine crystals so thin it apears like a film to the naked eye ..unless one looks closer...

Then upon scraping the pyrex dish.. it quickly loads up the edge of razorblade compleatly with a [[very strong]] DMT smell..

Earlyer in extraction process..My first 1 to 4 pulls ..[ after evaporation]..seemed thicker with more wax and oil and felt more mellower and gentle upon come up...[ive posted those photos..

But after vaping a small amount the last 4 extended pulls.. evaperated at a lower temp felt much more strong ..!like pure DMT similar to mimosa...it almost took off my head..!

I have no scientific to way to prove this.. but i think my ..[later extended pulls] are more pure dmt because of how strong it affected me recently!

But this stronger effect simply may have been because of better vaporization methods...

But I still suspect that the later extended pulls [evaporated in colder outdoors with fan]
[MAY] be more pure dmt from acrb...

in past..not knowing that ..[acrb is so slow to release its dmt].. caused me to wastfully throw away the base mix after 4 pulls thinking the bark was spent..but that was a mistake !!

I will post photos below soon if i continue to get more dmt...

 

[starway6]

Here is the photos of my extended acacia pulls evaporated outdoors with fan al lower temps between 40 and 50 degrees..
Also one photo of thicker more waxy pulls taken in first 4 pulls ..
This photo with razor blade scraped strong dmt smell...
When scaraped from dish it was very thin film that crumbled when scraped with blade..

 

[Entheogenerator]

Huh, interesting. You are using Thick-Light's tek, but still yielding waxy results? I thought that tek had a step in it to remove NMT and other impurities. Are you skipping this step?

 

[User1911]

You may also be getting 7-8 + pulls due to the amount of naptha you use each pull.

Larger pulls, seem to get more at once. It does take alot of solvent but the extraction time is reduced. With ACRB if I do 2 large pulls it pulls most of the xtals the first round. For my extractions it seems to be the opposite with ACRB, I tend to get all the xtals up front and goo later on. Im using about 100+ ML a pull, sure it's alot but it seems to be working consistently.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Freeze precipitate and recycle your solvents. = purer spice and less wasteful.

 

[starway6]

HM, interesting. You are using Thick-Light's tek, but still yielding waxy results? I thought that tek had a step in it to remove NMT and other impurities. Are you skipping this step?

I think i skiped that step but whats on the razor blade is crystals a little waxy with a strong DMT Smell...

PS..Im using a glass half gallon apple juice jug for base mix..and am using a smaller amount of napatha ..just enough to fill the narrow raised neck of the jug because after compleate seperation of layers..its easy to be more acurate removing the napatha from base with pipette..
I beleive im using between 30 and 40 mls..just enough to fill the narrow raised neck of bottel..
So you say i can get more out faster using more napatha?

 

[Entheogenerator]

I think i skiped that step but whats on the razor blade is crystals a little waxy with a strong DMT Smell...

PS..Im using a glass half gallon apple juice jug for base mix..and am using a smaller amount of napatha ..just enough to fill the narrow raised neck of the jug because after compleate seperation of layers..its easy to be more acurate removing the napatha from base with pipette..
I beleive im using between 30 and 40 mls..just enough to fill the narrow raised neck of bottel..
So you say i can get more out faster using more napatha?

How much bark did you start with? I usually use about .5mL per gram of root bark when working with ACRB.

In Thick-Light's tek, his recommendation to do heated pulls and then let them cool to room temp before freeze-precipitating would separate DMT from NMT, yielding DMT crystals rather than a waxy or gooey mixture of DMT/DMT. The NMT (and a little bit of DMT, to be recovered with warm solvent later) in the warm solvent will precipitate and stick to the bottom of the vessel as it cools to room-temperature. The naphtha can then be poured off and freeze-precipitated.

 

[starway6]

I think i skiped that step but whats on the razor blade is crystals a little waxy with a strong DMT Smell...

PS..Im using a glass half gallon apple juice jug for base mix..and am using a smaller amount of napatha ..just enough to fill the narrow raised neck of the jug because after compleate seperation of layers..its easy to be more acurate removing the napatha from base with pipette..
I beleive im using between 30 and 40 mls..just enough to fill the narrow raised neck of bottel..
So you say i can get more out faster using more napatha?

How much bark did you start with? I usually use about .5mL per gram of root bark when working with ACRB.

In Thick-Light's tek, his recommendation to do heated pulls and then let them cool to room temp before freeze-precipitating would separate DMT from NMT, yielding DMT crystals rather than a waxy or gooey mixture of DMT/DMT. The NMT (and a little bit of DMT, to be recovered with warm solvent later) in the warm solvent will precipitate and stick to the bottom of the vessel as it cools to room-temperature. The naphtha can then be poured off and freeze-precipitated.

I started with 220grams of powdered acrb .. my freezer isnt working..
i have percipated nice white crystals at just below room temp as long as the napatha is over saturated enough...
Any way.. ive read that a freezer will pull too much oils and waxes..[with acrb].. and room tem is better if napatha is oversaturated..
anyway i think full spectrum goo is well over ..[90 percent dmt].. as the strong dmt smell of my extract sugests..
Its very active,,