I might be done.

[Tracer58921]

Did my first GordoTek extraction yesterday and ended up with 609mg on the first pull.
I was excited but nervous to give it a try today so I tried to weigh out a couple of milligrams as a test on my cheapo jewel scale but couldn't get a weight to register even after preloading the scale with a large metal washer and taring to zero so I really don't know how much I used but I intentionally went with a very tiny amount for the first time. I have a much better scale at home that I should've used.
I put just enough in to barely cover the ceramic bucket coil in a Yocan Cylo and with the voltage on 3.0, tapped the power a few times until it melted in.
I then started a very weak inhale for about 7 seconds while holding the power button until I was sure I was getting some vapor...I could feel a slight urge to cough so I stopped and exhaled just enough to see smoke and then held it in.
After about 5 seconds, I could feel the effects and started having light CEV's of the typical geometry and archetypes. It got pretty intense and I started having the familiar feeling of diarrhea and queasiness that I associated with a time years ago when I drank way too much alcohol.
After the effects pretty much wore off and I was sure I wasn't going to puke or crap myself, I hit the power button repeatedly and saw that there was enough vapor still left to probably take me through the veil had I kept toking but the side effects scared me too much. I remember thinking when the nausea set in that I was going to get rid of everything associated with this but now I'm not so sure.
I've heard that lighter doses can sometimes make people sick but now I have a lot of fear about experiencing that again as opposed to some of the more positive effects that others talk about. I know I'm just being a wuss but maybe I'm just not cut out for the realms of hyperspace....disappointing.
Maybe a shamanic approach would've yielded a better overall experience but unfortunately I'm completely alone with this.
I know this wasn't at all an exciting read but I felt like I had to do it as an integration exercise and maybe get some useful advice....thanks for reading.

 

[blig-blug]

The vaporized effects are very abrupt and fast in the onset. Have you considered taking harmalas? Those tend to make it slower and smoother. You could also consider pharmahuasca to get some experience before attempting to break through vaping.

 

[Jamie01]

There’s a lot of serotonin receptors in the gut. It’s normal for some people to experience vomiting diarrhea etc. Serotonin is involved in gut peristalsis.

 

[Transform]

It got pretty intense and I started having the familiar feeling of diarrhea and queasiness that I associated with a time years ago when I drank way too much alcohol.
After the effects pretty much wore off and I was sure I wasn't to puke or crap myself, I hit the power button repeatedly and saw that there was enough vapor still left to probably take me through the veil had I kept toking but the side effects scared me too much. I remember thinking when the nausea set in that I was going to get rid of everything associated with this but now I'm not so sure.

I'd say trust your body in this. The subsequent idea you had, to get rid of all your DMT-related stuff, could be seen as an egoic projection of the psychophysical systems that innately resisted the purge.

You've barely dipped your toes in, so be prepared for some drama should you choose to go deeper. It could equally be dramatically beautiful, but either way - prepare to release and surrender.

 

[Tracer58921]

The vaporized effects are very abrupt and fast in the onset. Have you considered taking harmalas? Those tend to make it slower and smoother. You could also consider pharmahuasca to get some experience before attempting to break through vaping.

Thanks for your response bb...that's probably something I should look into. At the very least, I'll use far less next time. I'm amazed at the power of this stuff! I had no intentions of breaking through but I'm pretty sure I would've if I inhaled all the vapor that was available.

 

[Tracer58921]

There’s a lot of serotonin receptors in the gut. It’s normal for some people to experience vomiting diarrhea etc. Serotonin is involved in gut peristalsis.

Hmm... interesting. I'm usually constipated. That's the most abrupt laxative experience of my life.

 

[Sakkadelic]

I remember thinking when the nausea set in that I was going to get rid of everything associated with this but now I'm not so sure.

This feeling was common for me in the past and it was due to paranoia, the fear of getting exposed and having my life and the life of people around me ruined. What kind of thoughts you were having that made you feel like that?
And also what is your intention for trying dmt?

 

[northape]

This feeling was common for me in the past and it was due to paranoia, the fear of getting exposed and having my life and the life of people around me ruined.

At least twice in the last 10 years, I've ceremonially gotten rid of my stash in the forest. It's just a resistance to change.
Psyche will create any story to remain in its comfort zone.

I know I'm just being a wuss but maybe I'm just not cut out for the realms of hyperspace....disappointing.

It's the other way around. Your thinking is normal, and it shows that you can expect a good relationship with DMT.

Maybe a shamanic approach would've yielded a better overall experience but unfortunately I'm completely alone with this.

Just do a simple ceremony, relax and pray beforehand. State a proper intention for your journey and trust Life.

 

[Tracer58921]

This feeling was common for me in the past and it was due to paranoia, the fear of getting exposed and having my life and the life of people around me ruined. What kind of thoughts you were having that made you feel like that?
And also what is your intention for trying dmt?

That's a good point. Because of my impatience, I chose a terrible setting to try it for my first time. My thinking was that since I was doing such a tiny amount for my first time that it would be ok to do it where I work.....a really dumb idea for all the obvious reasons even though my work setting is somewhat isolated.
At the peak I recall thinking that I really screwed up because I felt like I could be having a medical emergency and was going to be found with Yocan in hand and fired right before I'm due to retire.
I feel really foolish now for underestimating the power and placing everything at risk that I care about. My wife would've been livid and rightly so. It's quite illuminating how completely irresponsible I was now.
My intention is to experience the creative presence of our universe, to experience unconditional love so I can lead a more loving life in return. I've also been wanting to know more about the true nature of reality and consciousness as a whole...to experience non-duality....and more.

 

[northape]

That's a good point. Because of my impatience, I chose a terrible setting to try it for my first time. My thinking was that since I was doing such a tiny amount for my first time that it would be ok to do it where I work.....a really dumb idea for all the obvious reasons even though my work setting is somewhat isolated.
At the peak I recall thinking that I really screwed up because I felt like I could be having a medical emergency and was going to be found with Yocan in hand and fired right before I'm due to retire.
I feel really foolish now for underestimating the power and placing everything at risk that I care about. My wife would've been livid and rightly so. It's quite illuminating how completely irresponsible I was now.
My intention is to experience the creative presence of our universe, to experience unconditional love so I can lead a more loving life in return. I've also been wanting to know more about the true nature of reality and consciousness as a whole...to experience non-duality....and more.

Sometimes, life or karma creates these situations for us. Just learn from it and do it right the next time. Everything has its fitting time and place.

 

[Tracer58921]

I really appreciate all these thoughtful responses. I don't really know how to use all the features in this board so forgive me if I don't respond properly.... I'm an old-ish guy.
It really helps to not feel completely alone with something as strange and powerful as this. I can't tell you all how many times while accumulating the info and items necessary to try this that I've thought, "what the f*** are you doing here?"
My wife doesn't understand or want to know anything about the possibility of there being more to this mystery called Life. I feel the pull to know more all the time but I catch myself feeling guilty and irresponsible for having these desires.
I would feel awful if I selfishly explored hyperspace but didn't make it back.

 

[Tracer58921]

Sometimes, life or karma creates these situations for us. Just learn from it and do it right the next time. Everything has its fitting time and place.

Very true...thank-you.

 

[Sakkadelic]

Yeah that explains the unpleasant experience you had, you want to be in a place and in a state where you are ready to let go and detach from the physical world, dmt will magnify any fear and then you start resisting the trip and trying to keep it under control, and that usually ends up badly on the psychological level. Yes it was irresponsible what you did and I'm glad nothing bad happened, but it's fine, most of us have acted irresponsibly especially at the beginning. It was your first time and it's impossible to anticipate the power of dmt.
Take your time to relax and feel good about doing dmt again and go for it.

 

[blig-blug]

I would feel awful if I selfishly explored hyperspace but didn't make it back.

Keep in mind that as long as your setting is physically safe and you don't have serious heart issues or something like that, dying from DMT or suffering physiological harm from it is exceedingly unlikely. Your wife may need to hear that too, most likely she's worried about you "getting into drugs".

With proper set and setting there will still be risks, but I wouldn't say it's a particularly risky activity for someone acceptably healthy in both mind and body when compared to many common activities such as driving.

Just don't be reckless and give yourself time and space to process whatever you may experience.

 

[Sakkadelic]

I really appreciate all these thoughtful responses. I don't really know how to use all the features in this board so forgive me if I don't respond properly.... I'm an old-ish guy.
It really helps to not feel completely alone with something as strange and powerful as this. I can't tell you all how many times while accumulating the info and items necessary to try this that I've thought, "what the f*** are you doing here?"
My wife doesn't understand or want to know anything about the possibility of there being more to this mystery called Life. I feel the pull to know more all the time but I catch myself feeling guilty and irresponsible for having these desires.
I would feel awful if I selfishly explored hyperspace but didn't make it back.

@Pandora We have an oldie here

To me it sounds like you're doing great, you had a calling and you chose the best path, making it yourself. It is hard going it alone and not having someone to share the excitement with, but you are here now, and the nexus is a wonderful place, feel free to share anything about your journey and upcoming ventures.

 

[Tracer58921]

@Pandora We have an oldie here

To me it sounds like you're doing great, you had a calling and you chose the best path, making it yourself. It is hard going it alone and not having someone to share the excitement with, but you are here now, and the nexus is a wonderful place, feel free to share anything about your journey and upcoming ventures.

Thank-you so much! I was hesitant to post for the first time because I was afraid of being ridiculed but this is exactly what I've been needing....insightful advice from caring people that are willing to share their love and knowledge.

 

[Tracer58921]

Keep in mind that as long as your setting is physically safe and you don't have serious heart issues or something like that, dying from DMT or suffering physiological harm from it is exceedingly unlikely. Your wife may need to hear that too, most likely she's worried about you "getting into drugs".

With proper set and setting there will still be risks, but I wouldn't say it's a particularly risky activity for someone acceptably healthy in both mind and body when compared to many common activities such as driving.

Just don't be reckless and give yourself time and space to process whatever you may experience.

You're spot on about my wife's fears...when she doesn't understand something that's considered illicit, she assumes it's a dangerous drug and then doesn't want to know what I'm up to. She allowed me to grow some mushrooms but told me she wasn't going to babysit me...haha. I took one very mild trip with those because I didn't feel like she would appreciate it if I had a challenging experience.
That's compounded by the fact that we're both recovering alcoholics...13 years for me and 17 for her. Although I'm not actively involved in AA anymore, there was always the notion that anything that alters your reality is considered to be breaking your sobriety. I don't agree with that but that mentality is definitely something she struggles with concerning my exploits.
I do take a medication for hypertension but it's well controlled and from what I understand, DMT doesn't really affect blood pressure any more negatively than resistance training does and it doesn't last nearly as long.

 

[Tracer58921]

At least twice in the last 10 years, I've ceremonially gotten rid of my stash in the forest. It's just a resistance to change.
Psyche will create any story to remain in its comfort zone.

It's the other way around. Your thinking is normal, and it shows that you can expect a good relationship with DMT.

Just do a simple ceremony, relax and pray beforehand. State a proper intention for your journey and trust Life.

You have a lot of great insights and food for thought....I appreciate that.
Some type of ceremony and intentions will always be part of my routine if/when I try it again.

 

[blig-blug]

You're spot on about my wife's fears...when she doesn't understand something that's considered illicit, she assumes it's a dangerous drug and then doesn't want to know what I'm up to. She allowed me to grow some mushrooms but told me she wasn't going to babysit me...haha. I took one very mild trip with those because I didn't feel like she would appreciate it if I had a challenging experience.
That's compounded by the fact that we're both recovering alcoholics...13 years for me and 17 for her. Although I'm not actively involved in AA anymore, there was always the notion that anything that alters your reality is considered to be breaking your sobriety. I don't agree with that but that mentality is definitely something she struggles with concerning my exploits.
I do take a medication for hypertension but it's well controlled and from what I understand, DMT doesn't really affect blood pressure any more negatively than resistance training does and it doesn't last nearly as long.

I think it's very normal she's worried, particularly if you both have had a bad relationship with a psychoactive substance in the past, even if it's a very different one. I think if you use it responsibly she'll probably be less scared when she sees that nothing negative comes from your DMT experiences, and maybe even positive changes. Maybe she will never be fully accepting, but each of us has a different path, that's not a problem. But likely she will be much less concerned as time goes by.

You probably know this already, but DMT is not physically addictive and only rarely some people get psychologically addicted to it (any experience can be addictive), and even in those cases it tends to run its course and come to an end by itself (maybe they get hyperslapped). Me personally, I'm having Ayahuasca/pharmahuasca experiences on a regular basis because of how much they benefit me. But every single time I have to force myself to do it, it's the opposite of impulsive use, as my impulse is to not ever use it and keep my mind in the comfortable world of daily obliviousness. I've read many other people here say the same: they want the experience, but they have to overcome a lot of resistance to do it.

So in the addiction department, you and your wife don't need to worry. In my case, since starting with regular Ayahuasca I've greatly reduced my intake of every other substance, as I could see very clearly that they cloud my mind.

 

[Transform]

I do take a medication for hypertension

I seem to recall at reast some anecdotal reports that suggest certain beta-blockers can intensify the effects of DMT - there may be someone here who can chime in with something more specific on that.