I put accidentally IPA instead of solvent.

[morgoti]

Hello,

I put accidentally IPA instead of solvent making Cyb 's Max Ion, yea I'm a dumbass, I know.

It turns out that the products comes from the same supplier, and the bottles containing the product are identical. Anyway, you guys can tell me if I ruined this batch or can simply put the solvent and continue normally.


Thanks.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

IPA is a solvent, it's just a crap solvent. Use as you would in a normal pull, then remove all the alcohol, check the ph and keep on going like normal, with your chosen solvent. You didn't ruin anything.

Be sure to evap that IPA and collect up what's left. I imagine that it would have picked up some actives you wouldn't want to waste. Might want to redissolve in something and clean it up afterward, however is easiest for you; The wiki is full of teks to do so.

Happy Trails.

 

[BongWizard]

IPA is a solvent, it's just a crap solvent. Use as you would in a normal pull, then remove all the alcohol, check the ph and keep on going like normal, with your chosen solvent. You didn't ruin anything.

Be sure to evap that IPA and collect up what's left. I imagine that it would have picked up some actives you wouldn't want to waste. Might want to redissolve in something and clean it up afterward, however is easiest for you; The wiki is full of teks to do so.

Happy Trails.

IPA is soluble and miscible in water and dissolves both freebase DMT and it's salts, therefore you cannot remove it like nps.

Your best bet will be to add extra NaCl to your base soup and continue to pull as normal. Before the final pull, let the base soup simmer for an hour or two (at about 60c) in order to evaporate any remaining IPA. Then do you final pull in order to pick up anything that might still have been trapped in the IPA.

Alternatively, use xylene as your nps. It will pull almost all the DMT out of the IPA without evaporation.

 

[endlessness]

Im not sure what you mean, Hiyo.

IPA is not like any normal solvent. IPA will mix with the acqueous layer, how can he 'evap that IPA' ?

morgoti, you can try doing some pulls and the IPA will partially mix with your non-polar solvent, and partially stay in the water. Its possible the part in the water will trap some alkaloids. You can repeat doing many pulls and hopefully you will in the end get most of the actives. Freeze precipitation wont work though, you'll have to evap that non-polar.

Try out doing some pulls and let us know how it goes. Just dont throw anything away.

 

[morgoti]

Thank you all for support.

Well, I will follow the advice of BongWizard and add a little more salt to base soup , and simmer after the sixth pull, totaling 7 pulls.

I am using 150g MHRB and hexane as solvent.

Soon I will update you about the process and final yield.

 

[endlessness]

not sure if it's such a good idea to simmer a highly basified solution, please be careful. How are you thinking of heating it up?

 

[BongWizard]

not sure if it's such a good idea to simmer a highly basified solution, please be careful. How are you thinking of heating it up?

When I say simmer, I only mean bring it up to about 60 degrees C. Just enough to help force off the alcohol. Careful monitoring of the temp while heating base solutions is important because temps in excess of 65-70C will cause the spice to oxidise much more readily.

 

[endlessness]

I had missed your post before, BongWizard, I was responding to morgoti's post, I hadn't seen you mentioned 60c.

Either way I'm still wondering the method. Gas stove/open fire is obviously no go when solvents will be involved (I'm sure you are aware but it's always good to make clear for new people), and if using electric heating make sure there are no sparks. Also make sure the material of the pot isn't something that reacts with the solvent/base, but I guess morgoti also knows that.

Usually what I'd do when needing warmer temperatures was just pre-boil some water, turn heat source off, and submerge the bottom of the container with the base soup in that water,

 

[BongWizard]

I had missed your post before, BongWizard, I was responding to morgoti's post, I hadn't seen you mentioned 60c.

Either way I'm still wondering the method. Gas stove/open fire is obviously no go when solvents will be involved (I'm sure you are aware but it's always good to make clear for new people), and if using electric heating make sure there are no sparks. Also make sure the material of the pot isn't something that reacts with the solvent/base, but I guess morgoti also knows that.

Usually what I'd do when needing warmer temperatures was just pre-boil some water, turn heat source off, and submerge the bottom of the container with the base soup in that water,

If you use a tall stock pot (about the same height as your glass vessel) and fill it such that when the vessel is submerged, the pot is 80% full you shouldn't have a problem with solvent vapour. So long as you've got decent ventilation, the steam (from the boiler pot) and and the resultant convective current will serve to disperse and hydrate the alcohol vapours.

This way you can confidently leave your pot to simmer for longer periods without having to constantly watch it (handy tip: use a digital multimeter with a temp alarm to monitor your base solution - about 15 bucks at jaycar, RadioShack or local equivalent).

I've used this method before to remove alcohols from both acid salt and base solutions while extracting from phalaris.

 

[morgoti]

Currently I don't have the resources to buy an electric stove or a digital multimeter, so what I'll do is: Put the bottle in a water bath with the flame of the stove off. Will not be in 60ºc all the time but I can do this process for about 3 or 4 hours in total.

And do two more minimum pulls.

I think it's the safest way, in this circumstance.

What do you think ?


Peace.

 

[BongWizard]

It'll work. If you're heating and cooling the boiling pot, allow it to get hot enough to start steaming and then turn the heat off every 15-20 minutes

 

[ymer]

I would not suggest to do any pulls, the IPA will mix with the solvent and bring a lot of stuff that the solvent would normally not touch.

My suggestion would be to pour your whole thing in a large bowl or container and let everything evaporate, the water and IPA, after it's all dry you can add water and do normal pulls or simply pull with your solvent.

 

[morgoti]

What kind of stuff?