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Nathanial.Dread
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There's been a lot of discussion about why we try and limit DMT extraction/consumption videos on Youtube. In many cases, it's a safety hazard, as the instructions are general low quality, and it attracts a level of publicity, coupled with a lack of discretion, that could be dangerous for the video makers, consumers, and The Nexus in general. One of the only reasons we've managed to grow into the wonderful community we are is because of the comparatively esoteric nature of DMT. A lot of the plants and tools we extract with could be made illegal if more people where making DMT and bragging about it.
That's not to say we don't want people to extract, or lean about DMT, but it's important that they learn how to do it safely and respecfully. That's how we avoid seeing news stories like 'DMT LAB BUSTED (IT LOOKS LIKE METH!)' and a crackdown on our plants.
If you want to teach people about safe extraction, the machine, smoking techniques, all you have to do is make a video saying:
"Hey, there's this great place called the DMT-Nexus Wiki, and it has all the information you could ever want to know about extraction, smoking, and science." The Wiki is totally free for anyone, and all the material has generally been verified by trained chemists, or related experts (we've got folks like benzyme, corpus, etc who contribute).
All and all, YouTube videos are risky, and altogether unnecessary, when such a great resource is already available.
Blessings
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That's not to say we don't want people to extract, or lean about DMT, but it's important that they learn how to do it safely and respecfully. That's how we avoid seeing news stories like 'DMT LAB BUSTED (IT LOOKS LIKE METH!)' and a crackdown on our plants.
If you want to teach people about safe extraction, the machine, smoking techniques, all you have to do is make a video saying:
"Hey, there's this great place called the DMT-Nexus Wiki, and it has all the information you could ever want to know about extraction, smoking, and science." The Wiki is totally free for anyone, and all the material has generally been verified by trained chemists, or related experts (we've got folks like benzyme, corpus, etc who contribute).
All and all, YouTube videos are risky, and altogether unnecessary, when such a great resource is already available.
Blessings
~ND
Sabnock1990
Be Your Own Shaman
I shared your videos on facebook the other day. You have some pretty cool vids man.
"That's not to say we don't want people to extract, or lean about DMT, but it's important that they learn how to do it safely and respecfully. That's how we avoid seeing news stories like 'DMT LAB BUSTED (IT LOOKS LIKE METH!)' and a crackdown on our plants."
...that happens already anyway, and what we do here is not stopping it. Clearly. Just trying to add that perspective here and be honest about what I see. When a new report comes out equating a few jars of mimosa and lye to a meth lab, that is on the part of absolute crap newscasters and half assed law enforcement "drug squads"..not on the part of the person who just happened to be extracting DMT in the closet in the back of say, a cannabis grow.
People are going to do shady things..regardless. It is good to try to put forth a better perspective on DMT use, but we should also refrain from too much self congratulation at this point as well.
...that happens already anyway, and what we do here is not stopping it. Clearly. Just trying to add that perspective here and be honest about what I see. When a new report comes out equating a few jars of mimosa and lye to a meth lab, that is on the part of absolute crap newscasters and half assed law enforcement "drug squads"..not on the part of the person who just happened to be extracting DMT in the closet in the back of say, a cannabis grow.
People are going to do shady things..regardless. It is good to try to put forth a better perspective on DMT use, but we should also refrain from too much self congratulation at this point as well.
PsychedSubstance--
I just watched your video: How to DMT. There is a good emphasis on responsible use, but I also think the episode demonstrates why YouTube isn't the best venue for people to learn about DMT.
You instruct people to obtain 'some steel wool' for the machine. There have been numerous discussion threads on the Nexus about the appropriateness of that material, and the hazards of using it. Fine steel wool can burn, and there can be a number of contaminants to look out for.
On the Nexus, the student has every opportunity to research what they are getting into. They are instructed at the onset that working with DMT and other tryptamines should be careful and well considered. With your videos, a wise beginner will do some research elsewhere, but some folks will just use the small amount of information provided to make use of the drug. The aesthetics of the video emphasizes an over-simplified perspective.
I just watched your video: How to DMT. There is a good emphasis on responsible use, but I also think the episode demonstrates why YouTube isn't the best venue for people to learn about DMT.
You instruct people to obtain 'some steel wool' for the machine. There have been numerous discussion threads on the Nexus about the appropriateness of that material, and the hazards of using it. Fine steel wool can burn, and there can be a number of contaminants to look out for.
On the Nexus, the student has every opportunity to research what they are getting into. They are instructed at the onset that working with DMT and other tryptamines should be careful and well considered. With your videos, a wise beginner will do some research elsewhere, but some folks will just use the small amount of information provided to make use of the drug. The aesthetics of the video emphasizes an over-simplified perspective.
beatenwarrior said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to change the world by posting DMT instructional videos on Youtube. People are responsible for their own actions/behavior. Change doesn't happen with people taking things personally and getting offended when they don't get what they want. This is a reflection of ego and self-importance, and in opposition to the common themes and lessons of the entheogen/psychedelic experience.
Take your own advice and
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” -Mahatma Gandhi
Where I come from we say something that would translate to "sitting between two chairs" ...that is where I am now.
On one hand I understand why we may want to flag one or another video on youtube. On the other hand I understand why beatenwarrior is not amused.
But then...I also comply with that:
..so?
What would be the best solution to this problem?
Imho, there is only one:
If the nexus does not want youtube to spread misinfomation, the nexus must utilise youtube and spread correct information.
Maybe with the help of...Beatenwarrior?
On one hand I understand why we may want to flag one or another video on youtube. On the other hand I understand why beatenwarrior is not amused.
But then...I also comply with that:
..so?
What would be the best solution to this problem?
Imho, there is only one:
If the nexus does not want youtube to spread misinfomation, the nexus must utilise youtube and spread correct information.
Maybe with the help of...Beatenwarrior?
beatenwarrior
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beatenwarrior
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beatenwarrior said:SpartanII said:beatenwarrior said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to change the world by posting DMT instructional videos on Youtube. People are responsible for their own actions/behavior. Change doesn't happen with people taking things personally and getting offended when they don't get what they want. This is a reflection of ego and self-importance, and in opposition to the common themes and lessons of the entheogen/psychedelic experience.
Take your own advice and
“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” -Mahatma Gandhi
The change I'm trying to make is to help people trip safely and alter the twisted view society has placed on psychedelics with a more realistic one. Organizations like MAPS are already contributing to making this happen. This type of change is very possible.
I think you may have missed the point.
However noble your intentions may be, they are still coming from your ego, as evidenced by your reaction to the Youtube flagging. (My videos are superior to others, they can change the world. What? You flagged them?! How disgusting you destroy my hard work! I'm offended! I didn't get what I want!)
beatenwarrior
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I have to agree with SpartanII. Indeed there are a plethora of sources that give superior information. The obvious purpose you could have for calling attention to yourself by making a video would be to call attention to yourself. It's not about you helping, it's about you being the helper.
It doesn't look like the video was removed. I was still able to see it. Not sure what the issue is here. People flag things on YouTube all the time because they don't agree with something. If YouTube didn't want it, they remove it.
People form groups and do things all the time in the name of a cause, whether they are ultimately hurting or helping it. Some people make videos, some people flag em. All the same team, essentially. But o well
People form groups and do things all the time in the name of a cause, whether they are ultimately hurting or helping it. Some people make videos, some people flag em. All the same team, essentially. But o well
Can someone please link the actual video in question?
beatenwarrior
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beatenwarrior said:
I was paraphrasing your general attitude. You apparently thought your videos were better than the ones out there already (and they probably are) because you thought they were important enough to take offense when they were flagged.
Apples and oranges.
Like life?
It's not ego that's the problem, it's our attachment to it. Our self-importance.
I'm not trying to make you feel anything. And I've never put anything in your mouth.
The question should be: If you're unwilling to take the time and effort to read and learn, should you be attempting something potentially dangerous?beatenwarrior said:
I get that some people are more visual learners, have a hard time with language and understanding concepts that are written out rather than shown physically or spoken about orally. I really get that, I do. But with something like a DMT extraction you really should have a basic understanding behind the chemistry involved before even thinking of attempting it.
You're about harm minimization? Good. Don't post videos that could possibly encourage people to attempt a dangerous chemical extraction without having the rudimentary knowledge necessary to carry it out safely.
I was on FB the other day and on the DMT: The Spirit Molecule group there are some seriously concerning posts. One I saw someone posted of a picture of their bag of bark with the caption "Can't wait to start dying some clothes" Completely unnecessary. Then in the comments someone asked "What is this?" to which another answered, "It's bark for Dying Multiple Times" I saw another one where a guy posted a picture of his smiling face, along with another picture of his broken coffee grinder hooked up to a power drill so that he could continue grinding/powdering his bark. What the hell are these people thinking?
If you want to advertise your illegal activities and get yourself in trouble, well, that's on you. But doing this so freely and openly on the internet puts ALL of us who love and respect this substance at risk. We lose access to certain materials because law enforcement becomes aware of the illegal use of said materials. Any publicity at all about these things isn't really a good thing, unless it's sanctioned scientific research being done within the confines of the law.
You may be right, but what is the point of keeping them 'legal' if they eventually become decimated by opportunistic Entrepreneurs.beatenwarrior said:
The real fact is, that siphoning curiosity about DMT through the nexus gives us, as patrons and matrons of the entire genus of acacias the chance to carefully instruct new members, old members and curious researchers about sustainable harvest and conservation.
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