I retract this. I'm wrong in this matter.

[The Traveler]

Peer-reviewed video? +1 :thumb_up:

+1 indeed.

And it can keep the same fun tone and ideas with it but just checked for the right facts. Like I said, Nexians should know what your target audience is, it will help to prevent future miscommunication.

And btw for all: nothing wrong with getting some income from YouTube, just as long as it is genuine.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[beatenwarrior]

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[Heyt]

Perhaps I can put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video that it's been approved by "Nexians?" Just an idea. But please let me know if you can offer a solution

That's a great idea! You could also link this thread or whichever thread you present the video in before going to YouTube in the video description, as long as Trav is ok with that.

 

[OrionFyre]

Is there a way that the new video - once checked and approved by some members on this site as being accurate - can NOT find it's way to the youtube removal thread? I'm not sure how this would be possible. But avoiding the event that another user post it on there for mass flagging would help so we don't have a repeat of this situation. In the end youtube did not choose to remove my "how to" video. They only age restricted it. I removed it of my own will after seeing the information I provided was not up to par. However as everyone knows this type of content is very sensitive and avoiding another large flag attack would be in my best interest.

Perhaps I can put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video that it's been approved by "Nexians?" Just an idea. But please let me know if you can offer a solution

I get the feeling that most of the people who flag don't just go willy-nilly flagging anything with DMT in the title. I get the feeling that the vast majority o the people who have posted in that thread have taken a critical look at the value of whatever links they post. And when they're unsure they've asked for input. You can also see their reasonings for posting the videos like "dangerous techniques" "doesn't espouse safety" or "illicit drug use for the sake of posting a video OF illicit drug use only". Meanwhile videos of people talking about their experiences or discussing it continue to not get flagged or removed, some of which shouldn't be up based on the merits of the video... but they violate no policies.

If you produce a quality video with accurate information I'd be safe in betting real physical cash that it wouldn't show up in the thread or get a flagging campaign on it.

 

[FLeP]

Peer-reviewed video? +1 :thumb_up:

+1 indeed.

And it can keep the same fun tone and ideas with it but just checked for the right facts. Like I said, Nexians should know what your target audience is, it will help to prevent future miscommunication.

And btw for all: nothing wrong with getting some income from YouTube, just as long as it is genuine.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Thank you Traveler. I appreciate your understanding.

Is there a way that the new video - once checked and approved by some members on this site as being accurate - can NOT find it's way to the youtube removal thread? I'm not sure how this would be possible. But avoiding the event that another user post it on there for mass flagging would help so we don't have a repeat of this situation. In the end youtube did not choose to remove my "how to" video. They only age restricted it. I removed it of my own will after seeing the information I provided was not up to par. However as everyone knows this type of content is very sensitive and avoiding another large flag attack would be in my best interest.

Perhaps I can put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video that it's been approved by "Nexians?" Just an idea. But please let me know if you can offer a solution

There is a thread on the Shroomery encouraging people to flag DMT videos as well. I would start a thread there called something like "Nexus-approved DMT video" as well as finding the thread in question (google dmt video flag shroomery) and making a post there to prevent others from flagging. I think that would cover most of the people that are flagging your videos.

 

[kgp4death]

even putting "nexus approved" in title maybe, but that might be going too far....that will make the nah sayers think a little

 

[Curb]

I didn't see your video before you removed it but i have 1 concern. @beatenwarrior if you have a video about freebase DMT with hundreds of thousands of hits (when videos start to become mainstream and you get a lot of people viewing it who otherwise wouldn't) then a lot of people in common drug circles will be asking about it, and buying/selling will increase. i am kind of just asking you this:

could you make a separate video first (which you link to at the start of freebase video) that goes into depth about 'traditional use' and the non-recreation[ality] of the substance in general, promoting anahausca(and what that is), different MAOI plants, and how to make an ayahausca brew.... because if its just another 'crystaline drug' you are promoting in a way, im afraid that it might promote unsafe use/procurement and get yourself and other people into danger, either by harm or legal trouble

EDIT: anything these days that is crystalline is associated with crack/meth, and for many people explaining 'freebase' and everything about the experience still isnt enough to overcome the stigma in their minds, so thats a negative for you and your goals, and then then there is education side of things for people watching your video (really how much can you impact someone in 10 minutes). atleast promoting oral over smoking you are lessening the negative aspects. sorry for the wall of text. just my $0.02

EDIT2: on the point about reviewing a video. you could upload it to vimeo or somewhere else first.

 

[Ufostrahlen]

@beatenwarrior: I haven't seen the videos in question or flagged them, but if you put disclaimers in your videos like in the alc vs. LSD one - then please make them longer. The appropriate length would be to be easily readable by a 14 yr. old kid. Also, I don't think your doing great in this video, it certainly doesn't promote harm reduction. If the DMT vs. Monster is made in the same fashion, I'd flag it, too.

I also agree with dreamer420, take the opportunity and make great DMT videos with the help of the Nexus community. Not only you now have the backing by dreamer420 & the Trav, the length and the in-depth information of your videos will increase. You can still split them up in 5 or 10 min segments for the attention span disabled folks, but this is a plus as I can imagine a whole DMT series. Also your subscriber base will increase, if you span out the series over a whole year or so. I mean you want to do other drug videos as well, right? Moar content, moar subscribers, moar $$ on Patreon (I don't think $$ is your main motivation, but it will help with the quality and is a nice side effect).

And no way the Nexus will flag those videos. Just put the script into peer-review here and you're out of the flag thread.

 

[Jees]

... and environmental implications involved. ...

BeatenW.: for this please visit this thread: For those who believe in sustainable MHRB sourcing. and this Nexian article: When DMT Equals Killing the Environment. Goes for both mimosa and acacia. You could roll over some pictures. Deforestation is a pressing fact and the recent non sustainable guarantee is not helping it. We must dare to look at it and call it by name. Leaving this item out of an info video could be seen as deliberate hiding of consequences, abetment. It's about harm reduction actually, quite relevant to your main goal.

 

[Psilosopher?]

There we go. Community spirit. Wasn't too hard, was it?

 

[Doc Buxin]

Well beatenwarrior,

one of your videos (specifically, in this case, the LSD vs. booze video) has made it, via The Verge, onto the front page of yahoo! news...

Weird...spooky...ironic...coincidental...

 

[Koornut]

Well beatenwarrior,

one of your videos (specifically, in this case, the LSD vs. booze video) has made it, via The Verge, onto the front page of yahoo! news...

Weird...spooky...ironic...coincidental...

It's floating around my Facebook Feed too. :thumb_up:

 

[Strigiform]

Frankly, I don't think this sort of thing should be on YouTube.

1. It is all too easy for the channel owner to have the channel become a source of revenue in their personal lives. This is a conflict of interest as far as harm reduction and education are concerned. Why put a lot of effort into making a somewhat boring but information-dense video (that will get less views because it's boring) when you can make a fun video with half-baked research quoting the speculations of Strassman that might get more views and take less effort on your part? In the long-term, this jeopardizes the informative quality of your videos. In the worst case, you may be tempted to just start stretching the truth to get more views in order to get that sweet ad money.

2. The facts and chemistry behind this substance are interesting, but I do not believe it can be adequately addressed by short YouTube videos. It's a dry subject at times and doesn't translate all that well to the medium of video, in my opinion. Eventually someone wanting to learn more will have to read because videos on YouTube will always be a summary unless you're preparing to make a comprehensive video lecture series (these do exist on YouTube, but they're usually prepared by professors from universities).

3. YouTube is a place that's chock-full of what amounts to entertaining baubles -- that's what climbs to the top as far as views and ratings go. There's a lot of pop-science garbage that's interesting but not really substantial (such as VSauce). There is a lot of reckless and silly behavior, too (this was how Salvia got its reputation). Frankly, this subject is serious because of the risk this substance poses to people's psychological well-being; it should be discussed seriously, and maybe YouTube isn't a good website for that attitude to take root.

I'm happy that you're willing to work with the members here to produce a better video, but those are my concerns about YouTube in particular.

 

[Orion]

It is better to have factual information in youtube. This I have to concede, through logic alone. If you cannot make the bad go away, contamination with good is the only option. It is the same principle with prohibition. In fact, it IS prohibition.

I say all props to the creator, but there are some inaccuracies. I could put that down to an individual, one not of this particular forum and not armed with the same resources which the forum, should it ever make a video, would pour into one vessel.

I was going to say 'but we created a whole forum', but are we not in videos from MAPS and other conferences on youtube where exact information is mentioned or quoted from the nexus too ?

I'm just entertaining thoughts here, trying to be only logical and looking at how this is playing out on the web. I don't know if we would want the liability of creating our own video but I think many would argue that it does make sense to spread sense where there is much nonsense.

I really just wish none of this was on youtube in the first place, all it does is complicate things, just like salvia etc. But it can't be stopped.

 

[Ufostrahlen]

I was going to say 'but we created a whole forum', but are we not in videos from MAPS and other conferences on youtube where exact information is mentioned or quoted from the nexus too ?

Yes, that's elitist thinking. MAPS is 'allowed' to post videos on YT, but others aren't, even if they are well produced and informative? Do we start flagging MAPS, too?

 

[Strigiform]

But it can't be stopped.

That's true. I wish it wasn't, but YouTube is just too popular/easy to use and too influential to ignore.

One solution would be to have a number of different, distinct videos from different accounts describing the facts about DMT on YouTube (and perhaps have these videos occasionally link to each other). The majority of which should be informed by content on websites such as this where the primary intentions are to reduce harm and share knowledge, but all backed by scientifically verifiable sources as much as possible. Maybe even have a few videos/accounts dedicated to work against the standing body of irresponsible use or extraction by pointing out what's being done wrong or in an unsafe manner.

This way we may be able to avoid having any single unofficial "spokesperson" on YouTube and work to clean up what's already there that is portraying reckless behavior.

Beatenwarrior might want to be such a spokesperson, but I do not think a single well-informed outpouring of Nexus-double-checked DMT information on YouTube is going to be very effective or reliable in the long-term.

A single target to discredit or target with harassment? Bad! A chorus of sources backed by a plethora of citations? Much better!

However, this suggestion would require more people on this forum participating on YouTube to work well, which may not be workable because I do not know if many other users would be interested or willing to post videos on YouTube.

 

[Orion]

I was going to say 'but we created a whole forum', but are we not in videos from MAPS and other conferences on youtube where exact information is mentioned or quoted from the nexus too ?

Yes, that's elitist thinking. MAPS is 'allowed' to post videos on YT, but others aren't, even if they are well produced and informative? Do we start flagging MAPS, too?

Some people want to flag any video about DMT, but I'm not one of them. It's stupid and won't work. That's why I said:

If you cannot make the bad go away, contamination with good is the only option.

Production value is irrelevant, nobody should be suggesting a ridiculous dosage for your first time or tell you to shake an open container of concentrated lye solution. I'm not aware of MAPS doing this.

I only mentioned MAPS just because of the fact that the nexus has connections to youtube through them. It could be taken as one argument for not being shy about making more videos, we're already out there in a couple at least.

A single target to discredit or target with harassment? Bad! A chorus of sources backed by a plethora of citations? Much better!

True, and that would be beautiful. It would take a lot of work, and it would be nice if we could direct attention to somewhere where many have already worked hard to compile good information. This forum for one. But do we want the extra traffic ? Would videos take away from the whole point of having a forum? What if you had just bite-size pieces for the videos, would that keep it sharp and interesting or would it just water it down?

Part of me wants to say 'this is why Nexus doesn't bother with this stuff', but like I said, it already has on more than one occasion.

So much to consider here.

 

[The Traveler]

Peer-reviewed video? +1 :thumb_up:

+1 indeed.

And it can keep the same fun tone and ideas with it but just checked for the right facts. Like I said, Nexians should know what your target audience is, it will help to prevent future miscommunication.

And btw for all: nothing wrong with getting some income from YouTube, just as long as it is genuine.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Thank you Traveler. I appreciate your understanding.

Is there a way that the new video - once checked and approved by some members on this site as being accurate - can NOT find it's way to the youtube removal thread? I'm not sure how this would be possible. But avoiding the event that another user post it on there for mass flagging would help so we don't have a repeat of this situation. In the end youtube did not choose to remove my "how to" video. They only age restricted it. I removed it of my own will after seeing the information I provided was not up to par. However as everyone knows this type of content is very sensitive and avoiding another large flag attack would be in my best interest.

Perhaps I can put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video that it's been approved by "Nexians?" Just an idea. But please let me know if you can offer a solution

I think the best label to put to this is something like:

FACT CHECKED BY THE DMT-NEXUS

We can then make a thread on the DMT-Nexus for that video with information about it and what facts we checked and you can link to that thread in the video description, so people can research if your video is indeed fact checked by us and learn some more about those facts.

That way you can have more reliable information in your video's, people who want get some more education and people (not only Nexians) are able to check if your video is genuine so they will not flag it. If this goes well I can even make a subforum for it.

And as another side effect we can both have more solid traffic from each other. So what do you say about this solution?


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[DoingKermit]

beatenwarrior, I randomly just came across the new video that you posted on youtube. I actually quite like it! It looks like you put a lot of thought and effort into the information and I commend you for sticking with it after receiving some negativity from people.

Here's the video if anyone wants to watch it...

 

[beatenwarrior]

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