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I think this world is hell

LuxObscura said:
Psychedelics tend to enhance perception in general.
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I see psychedelics as a tool to shift your perception, far enough that your Being takes notice. Now there are two points of view, then three, four, etcetera, etcetera. Eventually it becomes clear that our experienced path through life is based on perceptions, with the experienced reality based on the perceptions that the Being defines as real. Eventually your Being learns to shift by itself and what lies behind that door is anybody's guess. That is storyland territory.

In my current state of perceptions, I suspect that True Reality is the flicker in between the shifts of perceptions. The flicker we call magic.

As soon as we perceive the flicker it disappears, like a firefly at night. It's not gone, the light is just turned off. It reappears again on a different perception shift. Endlessness in its repetition.

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rkba said:
In my current state of perceptions, I suspect that True Reality is the flicker in between the shifts of perceptions. The flicker we call magic.
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This is very interesting in my opinion.
Your reflection reminded me of Wittgenstein’s picture theory, as a linguistic analogy:
Sometimes, a semantically ambiguous, non-intentional sentence tries to express something.
But it holds two divergent meanings within itself, neither of which captures what is truly meant.
What it actually points to lies hidden, between the two flickering meanings.
Like a shadow between two images. Or the unspeakable within the spoken.
 
Skr9 said:
I think this world is hell. The suffering of people and animals, wars, tooth pain, fragile health, and the fragile human body, brainwashing, all the crazy satanism around, these are all the bad things going on here. They are here you can't refuse it. Truth and kindness are not valued. People hate the truth that makes them uncomfortable and instantly hate you for it.

In the most widespread religions on planet Earth, particularly the Abrahamic ones, it is asserted that hell and heaven are the afterlife destinies of a person depending on what they do in their earthly life..... if their life is pleasing to the Lord, they will end up in the garden of paradise.... if they are a sinner, they will suffer eternally in hell.


Nonetheless, some philosophers have noted that the modern world is already structured in such a way that it resembles a fully realized and well-constructed hell. In this world, the main principle is entropy and the finiteness of everything, and any systems eventually decline and perish without a trace, and among people, the most desirable qualities are adaptability and treachery, while honesty leads only to hatred and a low status.


From this, the conclusion that the modern world is already hell, and the local inhabitants are apparently serving their punishment for certain sins in past lives or some other existence. It is impossible to make the world any different, as these are its fundamental principles.
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This world is Hell, but we have a jacked up idea of what that is. It's where Consciousness begins it's journey upwards. Growth and evolution are painful. We cycle through this level in various ways until we don't need to anymore. It's not a collective things, it's an individual thing.
 
Skr9 said:
It shouldn't always be, but in this hell-world it is.
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You're right. But this world of ours wasn't always this way. This world as it is needs growth too. And it will grow and evolve as we do. But what you said is also true. Because this new world is actually a remade one (Im writing about it now. The world being degaussed and re-encoded).

Consider this, there's a reality where the balance of good and bad isn't so skewed to bad like it is here. Perspective wise, someone there thinks that place is hell for whatever little faults it has. That reality exists inside of you though. It's one of the energies working itself out. So if that energy, that reality is inside of you, that means it's inside of me to some degree or already worked out. That means to it's in the world. That place is in practical terms very real. We're just not there yet, we have made it yet.

The process of making it real, to really start aligning these energies, these realities is to know perceive them. Gotta know they're real which brings them into your perception. That's when your perception knows which way to align your reality so it matches. When reincarnation happens, or doesn't, it does so it the proper alignment. Like an anime time skip, everything is way better.
 
Curated_Thinking said:
You're right. But this world of ours wasn't always this way. This world as it is needs growth too. And it will grow and evolve as we do. But what you said is also true. Because this new world is actually a remade one (Im writing about it now. The world being degaussed and re-encoded).

Consider this, there's a reality where the balance of good and bad isn't so skewed to bad like it is here. Perspective wise, someone there thinks that place is hell for whatever little faults it has. That reality exists inside of you though. It's one of the energies working itself out. So if that energy, that reality is inside of you, that means it's inside of me to some degree or already worked out. That means to it's in the world. That place is in practical terms very real. We're just not there yet, we have made it yet.

The process of making it real, to really start aligning these energies, these realities is to know perceive them. Gotta know they're real which brings them into your perception. That's when your perception knows which way to align your reality so it matches. When reincarnation happens, or doesn't, it does so it the proper alignment. Like an anime time skip, everything is way better.
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I wanna get into better world, it's unbearable here.
 
Not saying any one of these is a manual, but maybe something in one of these will resonate?

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I think part of the reason we suffer is lack of a compass.
 
Skr9 said:
I wanna get into better world, it's unbearable here.
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Soon enough. Life is over before you know it.

This 'I' that wants to be in a better world. Do you want to bring that with 'I' with you? That 'I' might be the very reason this world is hell. The world has changed in my eyes a thousand times. I have seen this world in many hues and shades. Some are indeed hell and some are indeed heaven. This 'I' that assigns these values, the one that measures, the one that judges, that 'I' is a temporary state.

The universe contains chaos and order, vibration and energy, ebb and flow, duality and oneness. We contain the same. These states are a choice. Your perception is a choice once you are aware. If the world is hell and unbearable, I would think the logical solution to that problem would be to put into the world the opposite, create a balance.

Make the world heaven in whatever way you choose. Make the world bearable in whatever way you can find that. You don't have lots of time to do this. Many have walked through this world with eyes closed, ears covered, mouths shut. The look but do not see, listen but do not hear and speak and say nothing. The language we use to assign these values of heaven or hell are nothing more than an illusion of that the 'I' creates. Choose to create something different. Assign new values from a new perspective.

This is just a bunch of words scribbled down on a screen. The words themselves mean nothing unless it is put into action.

I think it is good to fiddle around with heaven and hell, find the meaning behind it all, find a path towards something of a balance within where all things that happen in this world are accepted as part of the whole process of life. The universe unfolds within us all.

The here and now touched without measurement becomes infinite.
 
hugfortysix said:
Yeah, i would say that if someone was abused as a child, for instance, it would more than likely harm their soul.
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Abuser or abused, or both? If you mean does the cosmos enact justice, oh hell yes. Does that mean after the body is destroyed, what animated it is torn to bits, no. That is eternal and cannot be marred, even when we here do crazy wild shit.

The Mind suffers and gets marred. The Soul, that remains as pristine as it ever was; it can't even hurt itself. The mind gets fucked up, but it's supposed to, it's the guardrail of the Soul. It takes the hit, and the Soul uses potions on it to heal it. If the Soul is the well source, how could that be maimed?
 
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Does a lion commit sin? Maybe a monkey? We are just slightly evolved monkeys in the end.

Sinning monkeys. Sinning pigs. Sinning lions. Imagine the damage a religious lion could do?

George Orwell's book 'Animal Farm' springs to mind. Below are some quotes from the book to reinforce what I am talking about.

The Seven Commandments:
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.

“Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself.”

“Man is the only real enemy we have. Remove Man from the scene, and the root cause of hunger and overwork is abolished forever.”

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
 
Besides the genetic similarity between apes and humans, there are hopefully significant enough differences to distinguish the two.
While animal ethicists might now begin to cry out that such a distinction constitutes animal racism,
the human-constructed differences between species do not fall within that category.

Animals kill each other merely to survive.
Humans, by contrast, do not have to do that.

And yet, some people still feel triggered, either by the competence of others or by their own incompetence being exposed through comparison.
This often provokes an animal-like instinctual response.
The underlying reason is that these individuals are too closely entangled with material concerns.

In such cases, the reaction is often rationalized, just as Hobbes did by invoking the idea that humanity,
stripped of social constructs, would fall into a "war of all against all."

And while animal ethics seeks to protect the rights of animals,
the same individuals who uphold those principles may at times harm members of their own species.
This is, at once, both absurd and a moral dilemma.
 
Curated_Thinking said:
The Mind suffers and gets marred. The Soul, that remains as pristine as it ever was; it can't even hurt itself. The mind gets fucked up, but it's supposed to, it's the guardrail of the Soul. It takes the hit, and the Soul uses potions on it to heal it. If the Soul is the well source, how could that be maimed?
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I think that you and i have different ideas of what constitutes a soul. How would you define the soul?
 
hugfortysix said:
I think that you and i have different ideas of what constitutes a soul. How would you define the soul?
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SOUL is interchangeable with GOD, Existence, Everything, Cosmos, Reality, any word or phrase that denotes everything.

The meaning behind that thing that we're talking about SOUL: It is a process, it is the CREATING process. SOUL or GOD is the process of creation we call the Cosmos. The Cosmos then isn't Creation, it's Creating because it's never been finished and never will be. It's an active thing, the word creation implies something is done and fully made. No, the (ing) in the word is important. Words and their meaning are important.

Everyone and everything is not running around with their own SOUL. There is no individual Soul, there's just one and we all share in it. It is the animating force that moves us all that makes interaction and all observable dynamics possible; dynamism. Consciousness is a byproduct of dynamism, think about: thoughts are active, they don't sit still, they evolve as they come. They're coming is an activity in itself is it not? Can't see through a raging river, but when the waters settle, they become clear.

We all share in SOUL, it cannot be marred by any worldly action because it's greater than our local reality. As I said, the Mind is the buffer that takes the hits. The mind through our life under all that stress eventually becomes a diamond. Not in the sense we're hard people, but luminous, radiate outwardly, enlightenment. It is when Mind radiates as Soul does, no longer affected by the world. Things brush off your shoulders, always. You see reality for what it is.

I don't own my skin or my skin color, I just am what ever it is. So we don't have "a" SOUL, we are SOUL.

That need we have to se someone punished, that's the egoic need for control. I had a talk with a friend about dictators in history and he's off the opinion that most of them got away with it. I tried to tell him he can't base his reality off the things he sees, because we don't even fully understand the whole picture. All dictators die in fear and paranoia of their own making; it's what made them dictators in the first place. Dying is the biggest fear they had, maybe the only one. Because no one more than them believes in a punishing afterlife. Reality is life isn't sinister like that.

We can't stain light or fire, and the soul is that. Light and Fire as we know aren't things in themselves either, both are reactions; made by something else. Both in turn make other things into something else; dynamism at work. That is life's work.


The bible can be rewritten or actively read as "In the beginning, I created the Heavens and the Earth." Or "In the beginning, thy (means You (God) & I (God) or which ever word for the meaning fits your taste) created the heavens and the earth."
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Thy (God, I) implies we were part of or there from the conception of reality. God's omnipresence and wisdom is omni-linear. When he was making all this wasn't each and every one of us in his thoughts when he did so? That means this thing we call creation is not only for us, it was made, being made with us; this is the active participation science is always looking for in reality. We are it. The point of the night sky is the stars. The point of life is US. Life comes down to the Cosmos' Conscious Observer; the experiencers, knower, givers and creators of meaning. When we check something out, we're the ones who figure it out and give it meaning. Still performing our duties like Adam. If we are not that, who else is?
 
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