Iboga - First time use

[christian]

Some kinda positive planning helps greatly i heard. That's where the gold lies.

 

[acrosstheveil]

I'm in the same situation as you man. I have about 4.5g of TA extract that I've had sitting around for about a month now. I guess I'm waiting for the perfect time to take it.

 

[Escape]

You should check out Rhodiola Rosea It's gotten some good reviews i'll wind up getting some more than likely or growing some out.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/03/07/rhodiola-rosea-natures-anti-depressant/

This looks interesting. I've never heard of it before. I just researched it briefly and it seems it is safer and more effective than St John's Wort. Although people have said that a tolerance builds up after a few weeks. May check it out though.

I wonder if it's best to discontinue use before using Ibo because of it's affect on dopamine and serotonin levels?

 

[mescaline-man]

You should check out Rhodiola Rosea It's gotten some good reviews i'll wind up getting some more than likely or growing some out.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/03/07/rhodiola-rosea-natures-anti-depressant/

This looks interesting. I've never heard of it before. I just researched it briefly and it seems it is safer and more effective than St John's Wort. Although people have said that a tolerance builds up after a few weeks. May check it out though.

Iv'e tried St. John's wort, unless you make an extract of it and smoke it or in a tea it's pretty much useless for me anyways.

I wonder if it's best to discontinue use before using Ibo because of it's affect on dopamine and serotonin levels?

I have not a clue, I thought about getting some Rhodiola Rosea to test the waters but i ended up getting Mckenna's red caapi strain instead and imo caapi is pretty much the cure for depression for several reasons.

1. It will force you to change your diet to a more healthy one if your going to use it on a consistent basis or you'll more than likely get sick or nauseous or something.

2. It stops the breakdown of your natural neurotransmitters, so in a way your beating depression on your own.

3. It forces you to deal with the thoughts underlying what's making you depressed or anxious whether in the dreamspace or awake. My dreams are always enhanced and memorable too which adds a little boost to your mood and working through stuff that's going on in your mind.

4. It's a great aid to meditation.

 

[Escape]

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I have not a clue, I thought about getting some Rhodiola Rosea to test the waters but i ended up getting Mckenna's red caapi strain instead and imo caapi is pretty much the cure for depression for several reasons.

[/quote]

Nice. You will have to educate me about caapi. I've lots of talk about it and I know it's a component of Aya but can it be used on it's own then?

Can it be taken as a regular supplement or is it more of an occassional thing? How do you take it and is it easy to get hold of in th UK?

How has it helped you with depression?

Cheers

 

[3rdI]

hello Escape, how ya doin?

Caapi is Ayahuasca everything else that goes into the brew is an admixture. Aya can be used on its own and it will take you a very long way and show you increadible things and create immense realisations.

you can take Aya quite frequently in large doses or you can micro dose, its upto you, and i believe it is quite safe to do so as long as you have done your research and know what your doing. There are members of this board who have used caapi daily for periods of upto a year.

you can defo source it from the uk, gimmie a pm for a good supplier

all you need to know about Aya

 

[Escape]

Thanks 3rdI,

I've done Aya in a ceremonial setting. I'm assuming that just taking caapi will not make me puke or shit myself??

Can you give me an idea about dosages (threshold up to a full blown trip)? And some easy preparation methods? Oh and errr... how do I pm u?!

Nice one :thumb_up:

 

[christian]

7)Finally, am I going the right way towards fixing depression (bare in mind that I eat well and meditate a lot so most of my life is healthy)?.

I'm not sure meditation is as good as hard intense weight training, running and cycling for stress busting and usefulness in todays high stress dog eat dog world. Bear in mind that an important factor for depressed people is that exercise not only helps generate endorphines as well as reduce stress hormones, but it also creates an efficient digestive system which helps make the most of your dietary intake. So you get the most out of your food. It's highly empowering, and we all know how we feel great being out and active.

Meditation may be added, but i feel we need to be more active thesedays,as we are super lazy these days compared to b4.

I think if your life isn't a good one or the way you want it, then its normal to be depressed. If this is the case make changes. Really take time out to note your past present and future hopes, for example.

you'll have to do this anyway wether you take psychs or not. Psychs may help distance you from your rut, but it's your lifestyle that is keeping you there, so unless you sort it out, it won't change, iboga or not.8)

Psychs are part of the solution, the rest of it is your ACTION.

 

[3rdI]

Can you give me an idea about dosages (threshold up to a full blown trip)? And some easy preparation methods? Oh and errr... how do I pm u?!

look through the pages i linked to, dosage is quite variable and it depends on the strain of caapi you have and the person taking it.

I've done Aya in a ceremonial setting. I'm assuming that just taking caapi will not make me puke or shit myself??

well its a lottery, you certainly could purge, and in fact i like a good purge and am slightly disapointed if i dont get it :d, i have yet to experience the arse purge which might not be as pleasant

this is a good brewing guide

i will pm you now

 

[Escape]

Wise words Christian. I agree with that entirely. It's about creating a balance: Exercise, healthy eating, meditation/reflection, good career and everything else.

I want to use psychadelics as tools to show me the path and to give me the motivation to maintain a balance. It's ironic that whenever we feel depressed, we don't feel like exercising or eating healthy and we are more likely to smoke and drink to escape the problems!

But yeh, relying on any kind of drug/medicine is definately not the answer!

 

[Escape]

look through the pages i linked to, dosage is quite variable and it depends on the strain of caapi you have and the person taking it.

well its a lottery, you certainly could purge, and in fact i like a good purge and am slightly disapointed if i dont get it :d, i have yet to experience the arse purge which might not be as pleasant

Haha! i find it amazing how much I found inside me to purge from every orophice despite the fact that I was on the dieta for a week and we fasted for several hours before each ceremony! It certainly cleans you out!

What I meant about not wanting to purge was if I was to take it daily!
Cool, I'll check out your links.

Thanks bro

 

[mescaline-man]

I have not a clue, I thought about getting some Rhodiola Rosea to test the waters but i ended up getting Mckenna's red caapi strain instead and imo caapi is pretty much the cure for depression for several reasons.

[/quote]

Nice. You will have to educate me about caapi. I've lots of talk about it and I know it's a component of Aya but can it be used on it's own then?

Can it be taken as a regular supplement or is it more of an occassional thing? How do you take it and is it easy to get hold of in th UK?

How has it helped you with depression?

Cheers[/quote]

Yes i can be used as a regular supplement if you choose to follow the diet restrictions, so you don't have any harmful reactions to certain foods that contain tyramine etc. so if you plan on doing it just make sure you know what to avoid and what is okay to eat and drink. I extracted the alkaloids from the vine with a STB extraction, it's the easiest imo it's less nauseating then then boiling and making a tea. If you want to do an extraction, let me know and i tell you how i do it that's very simple only a few steps.

The dosage will depend on you and how it effects you so you'll have to experiment first. But i'd say 25-50 mg is good starting out if your going to make it a daily supplement. That's what iv'e been starting out with pretty good results but you can always go higher or lower depending on what your looking for.

 

[Escape]

Yes i can be used as a regular supplement if you choose to follow the diet restrictions, so you don't have any harmful reactions to certain foods that contain tyramine etc. so if you plan on doing it just make sure you know what to avoid and what is okay to eat and drink. I extracted the alkaloids from the vine with a STB extraction, it's the easiest imo it's less nauseating then then boiling and making a tea. If you want to do an extraction, let me know and i tell you how i do it that's very simple only a few steps.

The dosage will depend on you and how it effects you so you'll have to experiment first. But i'd say 25-50 mg is good starting out if your going to make it a daily supplement. That's what iv'e been starting out with pretty good results but you can always go higher or lower depending on what your looking for.

Ok, I'm gunna go ahead and do some research and then I'll get back to you if I have any more questions which I'm sure I will! When it comes to extracting and anything that involves knowledge of chemistry I'm way out of my depth so the simpler the better!
:thumb_up:

 

[christian]

It's ironic that whenever we feel depressed, we don't feel like exercising or eating healthy and we are more likely to smoke and drink to escape the problems!

That's just it. When people are depressed, they look for coping stratergies, that are unfortunately usually the wrong ones. When people feel depressed they should focus on getting out and moving, exercising hard., eating good, and relaxing afterwards. It's simple stress busting that's all. When the stress is reduced THEN you are in a better position to look to better ways of living your life. Psychs may help, and may even reveal the REAL cause of your depression. But there won't be getting away from the fact that some changes WILL be necessary. Same actions=same results. Period.

---Give your life "the Gordon Ramsay makeover!" :lol:

 

[mescaline-man]

7)Finally, am I going the right way towards fixing depression (bare in mind that I eat well and meditate a lot so most of my life is healthy)?.

I'm not sure meditation is as good as hard intense weight training, running and cycling for stress busting and usefulness in todays high stress dog eat dog world. Bear in mind that an important factor for depressed people is that exercise not only helps generate endorphines as well as reduce stress hormones, but it also creates an efficient digestive system which helps make the most of your dietary intake. So you get the most out of your food. It's highly empowering, and we all know how we feel great being out and active.

Meditation may be added, but i feel we need to be more active thesedays,as we are super lazy these days compared to b4.

I think if your life isn't a good one or the way you want it, then its normal to be depressed. If this is the case make changes. Really take time out to note your past present and future hopes, for example.

you'll have to do this anyway wether you take psychs or not. Psychs may help distance you from your rut, but it's your lifestyle that is keeping you there, so unless you sort it out, it won't change, iboga or not.8)

Psychs are part of the solution, the rest of it is your ACTION.

Exactly, you need to have one foot in the physical and one foot in the spiritual.

Same actions=same results. Period.

Insanity = doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

[Escape]

True dat! Balance is key. I also realise that body follows mind and mind follows body. To behave like a person who is depressed is to be depressed so if we can at least act like we are happy and behave like a happy person would behave, even if we have to pretend, eventually the mind will catch on!

Thanks for your support anyway!

 

[mescaline-man]

True dat! Balance is key. I also realise that body follows mind and mind follows body. To behave like a person who is depressed is to be depressed so if we can at least act like we are happy and behave like a happy person would behave, even if we have to pretend, eventually the mind will catch on!

Thanks for your support anyway!

What you think you become - Buddha

 

[christian]

Psychs are part of the solution, the rest of it is your ACTION.

Exactly, you need to have one foot in the physical and one foot in the spiritual.

By all means dream, and have great ideas...Then act, act act, act/ Then act some more !!

..Keep on acting untill you get it right, cos it's all about learning through acting and there are no mistakes, so keep on trying till it works. The moment you stop acting is when you need to think positively, then act some more. That is the real secret.

 

[Escape]

By the way, I'm still a little confused about the whole Caapi/Ayahuasca thing.

This is the way I understand it so please correct me if I'm wrong-
Ayahuasca is the brew made from a combination of 2 plants: one containing DMT (caapi?) and the other which allows the DMT absorbed into the stomach (an MAOI??)

So when people speak of taking caapi alone, how is it that they get an effect from the DMT without combining it with the other component? I would understand if it was smoked or something but I thought it got broken down in the stomach?

This is my limited understanding so please excuse me if I am way off! :?

 

[christian]

Ayahuasca is Caapi alone. It is the "force", and in strong enough doses can become psychadelic itself. It also allows MAO inhibition.Ayahuasca itself doesn't contain DMT, but the ADMIXTURE plants..depending on the TYPE of Ayahuasca.

The other plants containing dmt. that are added are ADMIXTURES, and these are usually called the "light". Sometimes non DMT containing plants are added.

AYAHUASCA is usually a mix of the ayahuasca (vine) and admixture. The admixture dmt plants get absorbed thanks to the ayahuasca mao inhibition.

--This is all in the all about aya thread, or wiki.

:thumb_up: Do some reading skilz dude'z! :thumb_up:

i can't explain pages of info here in a short paragraph.8)