Ideas for turning freebase to salt...

[SnozzleBerry]

To those individuals pointing out the hypothetical possibility of creating a pure enough product to IV: That's all well and good, but did you read the beginning of this thread? The posts that seem to indicate that a certain individual may have converted a crusty, yellow freebase into a salt and injected it? This is the real world issue I am attempting to address with my references to the FDA and purity...the realm of hypotheticals and F's OAF's is all good and well for the debate behind this real world occurrence...but what about paying attention to the actual harm that may be occuring here?

 

[narmz]

The OP was discussing IV specifically, not IM, so let’s put IM advantages aside for this discussion. I’ve never done IV or IM anything , so I’m basing my opinions primarily on what I’ve read – Strassman in particular.

To address some of your points:

I don’t think the dosage differences are significant enough to justify IV over vaporizing. When properly vaporizing, maybe a milligram is lost to condensation, another couple of milligrams lost when exhaling, and maybe a small amount remaining in the vaporizing device. So IV requires a few milligrams less material to get similar effects. From the IV descriptions in Strassman’s study, it seems that the come-up and length of experience is very similar to vaporized.

There is little to no lung discomfort when DMT is properly vaporized. In fact, if it is vaporized slowly and gently in a GVG, it feels like warm air is being inhaled. With proper vaporization of relatively pure DMT, only DMT vapor is inhaled.

The “sterile technique” you quoted is very thorough and obviously necessary to minimize risks, but how many users are going to follow this procedure? And how many are experienced and skilled enough to follow it correctly? There are many opportunities for error, hence disadvantages.

(My sister had a friend who was an IV user of heroin. She died from liver failure due to Hepatitis C.)

All very good points and honestly it is a far more involved process, but I figured having the information available for people would be good given that people who intend on injecting anything are probably going to do it regardless of whether or not others discourage them.

Personally I think having a proper vaporization technique is more useful and applicable in more situations. Who would want to work out injecting anything while sitting beside a trickling stream out in nature? Not I, but who knows, I've never done it so I can't really say.

 

[ChampionPuffa]

i have to agree with corpus above when he says that injecting dmt thats not fda approved is probably not gonna do that much harm providing the spice is relatively clean and re-ex'd a few times. even then yellow spice is probably not as bad as IV'ing street heroin, crack/coke/E pills/ an amphetamines all of which can be cut with some rather undesirable stuff, however all of which tend to be iv'd by people on a daily basis with no real negative side effects) for the majority of people(ive done more than enough of my fair share in the past).
it would seem if someone is set on iv'ing dmt then they have probably experimented with other drugs iv aswell it certainly seem like the op is not iv'ing a substance for the first time. i thought this was pretty obvious from his first post that he had experience with other things iv and just prefers that route of administration altogether. for me dmt is something that i can get more than enough out of from vaping it, and like a few other substances i have no intention wot so ever to iv it any time soon, not unless it was offered under medical supervision like they did with the spirit molecule. but thats not cos of the risks involved with iv'ing dmt its purely because ive got no interest in that route for dmt. im sure i could easily convert freebase into a pure enough product to satisfy my needs and have no issues administering it. but id rather vape/smoke it.
iv is certainly not something that should be encouraged, but at the same time with many drugs depending on purity its actually a much safer route of administration than most other routes out there. providing you take all neccessary precautions and know exactly wot you are doing. the only issue with dmt i can see is ensuring you dont breakthrough before you can remove the needle and put it down safe. this to me seems the biggest risk besides the purity that the op should be worrying about. i suppose tying your arm would help stop the flow so you can remove it first an give you more time before it hits you full on.
id defo reccomend re-ex'ing your dmt and getting a cleaner product before you iv next time, if its yellow spice it could be plant oils or nn-dmt but its probably best still to clean it a lil, it can be done over night so is not gonna take you long and only requires a clean solvent and a freezer, theres plenty of info already on this site thats easily found.

 

[chrono778]

Listen closely everybody, I am all ready comfortable with using iv and trust me when i say that even though i have been administering various substance through iv i do not in the slightest recommend it for anyone. I have seen things that will make your skin crawl.

It is fortunately(i say fortunately cause otherwise it would destroy even more lives) a very dangerous way of approach just because of the strength or amount you can get into your system before its too late. wich makes it extremely dangerous. I am very aware of the path that i expose myself to. It seems that my choices are on impulse only, but i assure you its not, there is ways that the world and your guides interact with your immediately or surounding space which can be understood and show you an area of your next exploration which for me was this experience that i explained to everyone earlier.

Its not like i woke up one day with a fit in hand and said im gona main sum spice. Hope that never happens:lol: . These things are not for everyone to explore and we got our own perticular path or purpose. Mine was considerd by myself for a long time and the vission was made clear many times, but because the action of doin drugs i.v.ly clashed hard with my fundamental believe at that time so i postponed the next steps for long time and it was drawn me to again.

I am very honest to myself and considered the consequence long and hard. At the start of my empowered life i took the choice of goin against my believes and took the route that was repeatedly presented to me and it made me be born again, cause of the enourmous positive results i got from a previously viewed(by me) as dark behavior. Things that canot be described happend.

Unless something similar happened too or you are in the hands of people stronger than temptation and wreck less behavior in the time of weakness then i would not suggest IV injection for anybody at all.

Too come to the plant oils and so forth, i have ived things that has way more potential harm with safe results just because of the will to use wisely and very sparingly. Moderation is the key.

I have but only had the feeling of doin it this way because of my extensive knowledge on i.v. and because of some circumstances that could not be ignored presented this form of use. I dont mean to say that it would be the last, but it is not of great interest to me anymore. I agree with the idea that vaporizing is still very effective, because i have gone further than i could ever have imagined via vapor.

STAY SAFE EVERYONE AND DONT TRY BEFORE IT WAS CAREFULLY CONSIDERED. THE EMAIN THING IS TO HAVE PATIENCE AS YOUR GUIDE!!
Love and light

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Thanks for the thoughtful and explanatory post chrono...I hope I didn't come across as overly blunt, I was merely concerned by risks I perceived in an arena I know next to nothing about. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your personal experiences/situations with regards to the topic.

peace,
SB

 

[chrono778]

I have got alot of previous experience, maybe 2 years( not heroin though) mainly uppers. MDMA had so far the most damaging effects to my body just after and the days preceding the iv.

For sum reason it has made more sence to me, because of lower cost, longer effects, less product needed and normally a feeling of having enough after that may last for weeks, but not with normal adm.....
thanx everyone for the replies. Your input is greatly appreciated!!

 

[chrono778]

just to be on the safe side i added an very nice book on iv an im. all the dangers and how to do it safely. Use wisely!!
No worries mr SnozzleBerry!!
Gratitude, gratitude, gratitude

 

[chrono778]

The substitution of analogy for fact is the bane of chemical philosophy, the legitimate use of analogy is to connect facts together and to guide to new experiments. - H. Davy

 

[SLM]

obviously if you wanna I.V. it your gonna I would recommend doing lots and lots of research on your own and doing your own extractions. At least then you might have a better idea of whats in your end product. Nothing like shooting some lye that your buddy left in the final product. That being said I would equate those risks your facing with shooting some heroin you get from a buddy of the street. Obviously you are aware it could go askew. That being said all the products and equipment are easy very easy to acquire research, expand your knowledge, there's something much more satisfying extracting yourself and doing an awesome job. Best of luck to ya. Safe travels

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Way to necrobump! Nine years is a good effort but, unfortunately, you haven't beaten the record.
Did you even read the rest of this thread?


And, uh, welcome to the Nexus!

 

[Blazon]

woudn't it be safer to plug it rather then IVing? especially if you didn't do the extraction yourself.

has anyone tried it?
rectally

EDIT : just noticed 9years old thread ...:roll: