I'm here because I got screwed

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I was going to post, then I read this .

Well I read your original post in this thread. I'd say that intention is everything and if someone mentions money and these sorts of substances in the same sentence I would run away as fast as humanly possible. The people in my life who I share these experiences with basically all came to me in one way or another. Some have asked before they tried them if I would sell a little. I say hell no I won't, but I'd be more than happy to share them with you instead.

You see, sooner or later some person or the other will pop into your life at some point with the right mindset, but who knows way less than you do. Then it's up to you to insure that your intention is different than the person you spoke of. Profit has no place here imo, would anyone sell communion from a Catholic Church for example?

So just chalk that up as a lesson as to how not to go about things

:thumb_up:

 

[jamie]

well...here we go. Sorry I am going to upset people here I get that..and I get how people feel about this issue..but it becomes sort of a moot point to me, considering this whole scenario is already taking place within a heavily gentrified culture that is based on capitalism, despite the reality that some subcultures within that culture are attempts at resisting capitalism.

Just don't think you are above placing monetary value on, and consuming what for many many people is and always was sacred..and don't think that someone out there is not making money hacking up all that mimosa root, and pretend that we never participated in that.

Many of us live in houses sold to us, built from trees that were sacred to the peoples who were here first, grown in forests that are being heavily raped, on land that was stolen, and we spend 8-10 hours or more working to the point of exhaustion just to have enough money to stay afloat within(and sustain) the capitalist paradigm. The idea that people will try to sell one more thing that someone considers sacred..well it's like "no sh*t"..

Not that I support it ideally, at all..but it is something to keep in mind when this topic comes up. Simply sticking your nose up at it is not enough..the capitalist system itself needs to go.

If you really want to remove entheogens from that cycle and are dedicated to that..well stop consuming mimosa hostilis, and acacia confusa etc, period..unless you can grow or harvest them yourself. Grow mushrooms, harvest what wild psilocybin actives you can..and grow or ethically harvest what DMT plants you can. Like it or not, there is a market for these medicines and many here support it, while at the same time acting as if involving money is immoral...well, which is it?

 

[ganesh]

Stop for a moment Jamie, and ask yourself if you were once like that o/p...?

Sure, you've got a good point, but in the CONTEXT of this thread, it sounds like a headmaster screaming at a new pupil...

I say, give this chap some room. All in good time....

You sir, are at the prime of your game, but probably a hell of a lot older (and wiser) than him.

 

[slewb]

Thanks for that post Jamie. The fact that what most of us are doing here is not holistic or sustainable or possibly even ethical needs to be heavily considered.

 

[Akasha224]

"The only crowd I've ever been involved with who knows what DMT is, let alone has used hallucinogens in general, are the stereotypical 20somethings who think "soul seeking" is loading up on ecstasy and listening to dubstep. "

MDMA and dubstep is one of my most profound experiences in life. You should not judge these people and might find something there if you are more open to that crowd. You might meet some amazing people. How can you point your finger at something and claim what is or is not "soul searching"? These kinds of labels can just box you in. There is no such thing as a soul searching person. There are just people.

It's not necessarily what is or is not considered "soul searching." It's the fact that it needs to have a name in the first place, or that people choose to label themselves as such. When some burnt out drug dealer tells me he/she is a "soul seeker," it's a little difficult to take him/her seriously. That doesn't mean everyone who enjoys MDMA and dubstep is a burnt out drug dealer. This has just been my isolated experience with said crowd.

 

[Adjhart]

Stop for a moment Jamie, and ask yourself if you were once like that o/p...?

Sure, you've got a good point, but in the CONTEXT of this thread, it sounds like a headmaster screaming at a new pupil...

I say, give this chap some room. All in good time....

You sir, are at the prime of your game, but probably a hell of a lot older (and wiser) than him.

I'm glad jamie made that post.

I'm a person who often points to the larger picture, and it's just a thankless job. In fact, people hate being reminded of it.

We can always use a dose of it, in my opinion. jamie didn't post for the sole purpose of giving advice to the op, it goes beyond that.

I'm glad jamie made that post because I didn't have to ;D

 

[BundleflowerPower]

well...here we go. Sorry I am going to upset people here I get that..and I get how people feel about this issue..but it becomes sort of a moot point to me, considering this whole scenario is already taking place within a heavily gentrified culture that is based on capitalism, despite the reality that some subcultures within that culture are attempts at resisting capitalism.

Just don't think you are above placing monetary value on, and consuming what for many many people is and always was sacred..and don't think that someone out there is not making money hacking up all that mimosa root, and pretend that we never participated in that.

Many of us live in houses sold to us, built from trees that were sacred to the peoples who were here first, grown in forests that are being heavily raped, on land that was stolen, and we spend 8-10 hours or more working to the point of exhaustion just to have enough money to stay afloat within(and sustain) the capitalist paradigm. The idea that people will try to sell one more thing that someone considers sacred..well it's like "no sh*t"..

Not that I support it ideally, at all..but it is something to keep in mind when this topic comes up. Simply sticking your nose up at it is not enough..the capitalist system itself needs to go.

If you really want to remove entheogens from that cycle and are dedicated to that..well stop consuming mimosa hostilis, and acacia confusa etc, period..unless you can grow or harvest them yourself. Grow mushrooms, harvest what wild psilocybin actives you can..and grow or ethically harvest what DMT plants you can. Like it or not, there is a market for these medicines and many here support it, while at the same time acting as if involving money is immoral...well, which is it?

I surely can't disagree with this. I have ordered acacia before. Having said that, for me at least, going forward, any entheogens that I consume are self grown, with plants and seeds traded from STS, or wild harvested. As far as these things go, I have completely withdrawn from the capitalist regime. Of course I'll still have to continue working my job to survive, unfortunately. I'd much rather not have to work at all, or at least focus on things that interest me, but that just can't be at this point.

I like what terence mckenna had to say about this, about history being done to us. We couldn't blame a cork in the ocean for the waves sort of thing.