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[IMPORTANT] No buying/selling/procuring, why?
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slewb
Rising Star
Something needs to be done about that winky face... I realize that, but on the legal front Traveler said he was worried about the way law enforcement might perceive the site if people were talking about buying or selling DMT, when really just about everything we do here is very illegal in most places.
I guess it doesn't matter either way, still shouldn't talk about selling DMT.
I guess it doesn't matter either way, still shouldn't talk about selling DMT.
slewb said:
What we do here is not illegal. Discussing about plants, chemistry, procedures and ideas is NOT illegal. Whatever each one of the members does in his or her home, though, is a different question.
However, if we were buying and selling illegal substances here, we WOULD be doing something illegal.
The law in most places in the world targets particularly traffic, not consumption. Production, in the other hand, IS also targeted. But enforcing people who are producing small amounts that will not be moving anywhere is not a priority. The law has much bigger fish to catch. And a drug market would be a pretty large fish.
BUMP.
..i noticed a thread which had to be deleted today..stay away from the so-called 'dark web'..!
it is perilous..
..i noticed a thread which had to be deleted today..stay away from the so-called 'dark web'..!
it is perilous..
Shaolin said:The Traveler said:
Because this happens.
clouds said:
8 Suspects Arrested in Online Drug Market Sting
Eight suspects in the United States and elsewhere have been arrested and indicted for their involvement in an online drug market accessible only through the TOR anonymizing network that sold LSD, ecstasy, marijuana and other drugs to some 3,000 customers in 34 countries.www.wired.com
United States Attorney's Office said:
Indictment attached.
..BUMP AGAIN..
and a reminder that talking about giving away large amounts, or swapping, is also against the rules (and illegal)
..IMO, if 'personal use' amounts of DMT (check law in your state or country) per year aren't getting an individual somewhere, there's waste, or not great technique going on..
and i'm also talking to this year's generation of fresh 'DMT-Messiahs', who want to tell everybody about DMT (even if they haven't asked) and go around trying to convince everybody they must try it..been watching the phenomenon for years..work on thyself first, i say..'DMT' is just doing it's own thing fine, without your promotion, thanks..
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and a reminder that talking about giving away large amounts, or swapping, is also against the rules (and illegal)
..IMO, if 'personal use' amounts of DMT (check law in your state or country) per year aren't getting an individual somewhere, there's waste, or not great technique going on..
and i'm also talking to this year's generation of fresh 'DMT-Messiahs', who want to tell everybody about DMT (even if they haven't asked) and go around trying to convince everybody they must try it..been watching the phenomenon for years..work on thyself first, i say..'DMT' is just doing it's own thing fine, without your promotion, thanks..
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Another valuable BUMP
We've had a large influx of new members recently, so I thought it might be worthwhile giving this thread another bump :thumb_up:
Peace
Macre
We've had a large influx of new members recently, so I thought it might be worthwhile giving this thread another bump :thumb_up:
Peace
Macre
good one Macre
..as we approach 20,000 members..this is an important Nexus policy all should be aware of..
it keeps us all a lot safer (and ethical)
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..as we approach 20,000 members..this is an important Nexus policy all should be aware of..
it keeps us all a lot safer (and ethical)
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And another bump to make it clear to all again....
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Jin
yes
i don't understand why people don't understand that these rules are not only for the safety of The Nexus , they are also for the safety of members
if people don't buy/sell and preach about DMT , and be smart then all is going to be good
i say these rules are too be followed not only on the Nexus , they apply to our lives aswell
stay safe ppl , don't buy/sell or preach , hide your stash between walls/or underground ,
if sharing pls do it with very trusted friends you know for a long time , and pls don't try to turn the whole world on , they will find their way
stay safe
if people don't buy/sell and preach about DMT , and be smart then all is going to be good
i say these rules are too be followed not only on the Nexus , they apply to our lives aswell
stay safe ppl , don't buy/sell or preach , hide your stash between walls/or underground ,
if sharing pls do it with very trusted friends you know for a long time , and pls don't try to turn the whole world on , they will find their way
stay safe
ChemisTryptaMan
Rising Star
As far as selling of the precious substance that you work so hard to obtain, I really have one question that sums up my point of view. How could anyone possibly settle on a price that would make them willing to part with their spice?
I find that the gift we are all given by having this forum, which is the only reason many of us have access to the spice, is PRICELESS, an hence needs to be protected by whatever means necessary. If anyone can tell me a monetary value that they truly believe justifies the sale of their product, then they must not realize the true value of the spice itself. I would not trade my spice for a thousand times it's weight of any precious metal. I might trade it for an equivalent amount of crystalline LSD, but I would have to think about it for a long time, and would likely still say no.
I'm surprised to see a lack of discussion of this aspect of the issue thus far on this thread. The spice is a gift, not a means to acquire money, other psychoactive substances, or anything other than personal, spiritual, and intellectual growth. I believe that if a person wants to experience the power of the molecule, they should work with the plants that contain it to acquire it themselves. This is the process by which most nexians have brought the spice into their lives(at least I hope). There is no reason why anyone should seek to purchase it, as all the information needed to bring the spice to your life is present on this forum. I think I've already made clear my stance on selling spice, but in case I failed to make it clear, I would honestly like to know if any of you believe their is anything more valuable than the spice itself, because I personally cannot think of anything that I would be willing to part with my spice for.
I find that the gift we are all given by having this forum, which is the only reason many of us have access to the spice, is PRICELESS, an hence needs to be protected by whatever means necessary. If anyone can tell me a monetary value that they truly believe justifies the sale of their product, then they must not realize the true value of the spice itself. I would not trade my spice for a thousand times it's weight of any precious metal. I might trade it for an equivalent amount of crystalline LSD, but I would have to think about it for a long time, and would likely still say no.
I'm surprised to see a lack of discussion of this aspect of the issue thus far on this thread. The spice is a gift, not a means to acquire money, other psychoactive substances, or anything other than personal, spiritual, and intellectual growth. I believe that if a person wants to experience the power of the molecule, they should work with the plants that contain it to acquire it themselves. This is the process by which most nexians have brought the spice into their lives(at least I hope). There is no reason why anyone should seek to purchase it, as all the information needed to bring the spice to your life is present on this forum. I think I've already made clear my stance on selling spice, but in case I failed to make it clear, I would honestly like to know if any of you believe their is anything more valuable than the spice itself, because I personally cannot think of anything that I would be willing to part with my spice for.
ExoticEarthExchange seems not to exist anymore, so I'm wondering if there are any other venues for trading around here. I've been a member for nearly ten years at an entheo site that does allow, in fact encourages trading of live plants and seeds and I've never known anyone to run afoul of the law in connection with the site. Given that all plants are legal to possess, sell or trade except for the few that are specifically proscribed (Cannabis, Iboga, Lophopora, etc.), it seems that we should have some outlet for our horticultural impulses. Given the Nexus' recent shift toward self-reliance I think it would be a boon to the members here to have the opportunity to do just that. Psychedelic self-sufficiency is all that it's cracked up to be!
I understand and support Trav's concerns and rules, just putting this out there for consideration.
I understand and support Trav's concerns and rules, just putting this out there for consideration.
Jin
yes
pinkoyd said:
exoticearthexchange was trading in live plants and seeds , there is still no talk of buying/selling schedule 1 substances as far as exoticearthexchange is concerned
still we cannot have even trading of live plants/seeds on The Nexus since this will compromise personal info of members , and so its unacceptable because safety and security of our members comes first
ChemisTryptaMan said:
thats exactly how i fell ChemisTryptaMan :thumb_up:
..this policy is absolutely what keeps the Nexus safe!
also, the Nexus to me is very much about self-empowerment..
DMT as a commodity leads to potentially undesirable outcomes..
and for the individual to rely on a 3rd party and having money to access the DMT realms is incredibly disempowering in the end..
also, the Nexus to me is very much about self-empowerment..
DMT as a commodity leads to potentially undesirable outcomes..
and for the individual to rely on a 3rd party and having money to access the DMT realms is incredibly disempowering in the end..
Infinite I
JC
nen888 said:
I think most people who discover dmt for the first time feel the need to spread the word as its such a miracle, you think look what happened to me its insane! I done the same thing then after a year or so of "heavy" use stopped spreading the word. I realised me shouting about it didnt really make most want to try, I probably actually put a lot of people off it, especially when linking to here and they go hey its for real, fuck that shit they would say. I think its kinda common to want to tell others when you first find it, and who are people supposed to ask for permission to speak to people of the miracle of dmt? the dmt global elite?? LOL you a member aye?
Also would love to find a similar site to EEE after recently finding out about its demise
..yeah sure, i'm not exactly mute on the topic, though i only joined a public forum after despairing the need for additional information and experienced advice, i may be be so bold..Infinite I said:nen888 said:
I think most people who discover dmt for the first time feel the need to spread the word as its such a miracle, you think look what happened to me its insane! I done the same thing then after a year or so of "heavy" use stopped spreading the word. I realised me shouting about it didnt really make most want to try, I probably actually put a lot of people off it, especially when linking to here and they go hey its for real, fuck that shit they would say. I think its kinda common to want to tell others when you first find it, and who are people supposed to ask for permission to speak to people of the miracle of dmt? the dmt global elite?? LOL you a member aye?
Also would love to find a similar site to EEE after recently finding out about its demise
But..on the 'DMT-messiah' point, it's a matter of style and effectiveness
..does one, for instance, walk around at parties telling all and sundry that they 'must' or should try DMT..?
or, does one claim that it is a panacea for all conscious answers, just on it's own
..or even indeed that 'god' or 'they' instructed one to spread the word of DMT..? and then, as a few have done, does one manage to get their local scene 'hot' and authority lurked because of making so much public noise..is this a fad? many if not most of the type i'm talking about stop smoking DMT very often (if at all) after a brief honeymoon..it was a rush, not integration..
ultimately it's 'hype' merchants i'm talking about, but sure this is a matter of taste..
personally i think a 'contemplative' rather than rushed introduction to DMT has longer lasting beneficial effects..
..though, perhaps there is a form of intensely focused will and command of language which would suit an individual to mass educate on DMT..the danger with messiahs is they tend to get nailed to trees or thrown in the clunker..
..i hope we are moving away from the whole 'pyramidal' thing..kings, messiahs, outside icons..centralization..
indeed, even the infamous Osho (i'm no fan) stated towards the end of his life that 'the age of gurus is over'..that his followers should follow themselves..
so, to me the DMT-Nexus replaces the need for any singular DMT spokesperson or messiah..wisdom and knowledge multiplied..and queried..
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ps. some of these 'would-be messiahs' hype because they want a market..
hence this thread topic..
